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Silver September 22nd, 2021 03:14

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Originally Posted by Ripper (Post 1061655849)
Cool. I'll be sure to let the buggers ravage your threads. :p

Please do. :rolleyes:

Ripper September 22nd, 2021 03:20

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Originally Posted by Silver (Post 1061655859)
Please do. :rolleyes:

I think we know where we stand. Thanks for trying to undermine your fellow team members in public, like a champ.

Silver September 22nd, 2021 03:28

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Originally Posted by Ripper (Post 1061655860)
I think we know where we stand. Thanks for trying to undermine your fellow team members in public, like a champ.

Its some sarcasm Ripper. Meant to humour. You should be familiar enough with it as every post of yours is dripping with it. As usual you deal it out but can't take it back.

Silver September 22nd, 2021 03:35

Supporting team members is one thing but blindly agreeing with them is another. I appreciate this is a tough job to do so don't take my disagreement here the wrong way. I appreciate the thought you put into your posts.

Ripper September 22nd, 2021 03:36

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Originally Posted by Silver (Post 1061655861)
Its some sarcasm Ripper. You should be familiar enough with it as every post of yours is dripping with it. As usual you deal it out but can't take it back.

Yeah, yeah. I'm sure Redglyph really appreciates your support. :biggrin: Anyway, this has turned into a spectacle. I really don't give a damn what feces get flung my way, but the point is Redglyph is going to be dealing with fewer of them.

Silver September 22nd, 2021 03:44

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Originally Posted by Ripper (Post 1061655864)
Yeah, yeah. I'm sure Redglyph really appreciates your support. :biggrin: Anyway, this has turned into a spectacle. I really don't give a damn what feces get flung my way, but the point is Redglyph is going to be dealing with fewer of them.

Actually that comment was meant for you not Redglyph. Seriously through. Am I allowed to humour you sometimes without you interpreting it so wrong. Seems to be lost in translation. Whatever, you do you. Maybe try having the best possible interpretation. Works for me :)

JFarrell71 September 22nd, 2021 04:27

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Originally Posted by Silver (Post 1061655856)
All the comments have commented on the post not the poster. I'm failing to see an issue here. I'll agree to disagree but this sort of thing seems to be becoming a pattern here.

Blatantly untrue. Lackblogger's post comments directly on Red's decision to include said post, implying bad judgment in doing so.

Your entire approach in this thread is poor form for a poster, terrible form for a moderator. Instead of agreeing with or simply keeping silent about a mild attempt by Ripper to discourage berating Red for doing their job, you've decided to make this thread a soapbox for how you think everyone should receive criticism and "humor." If you're thick skinned, good for you. When you start telling everyone else how to feel, that's another issue.

But you didn't stop there, not even close. You also decided to make this thread an open display of your contempt for a fellow board member and moderator. "Every post of yours is dripping with it." Where did this resentment come from? Can't have started today. I don't find Ripper to be any more sarcastic than the average board member, and considerably less so than many (including me, tbh). And "blindly agreeing"? Maybe she just, you know, actually agrees with Red. That ever occur to you? Again your use of the adjective "blindly" reveals some deep unwarranted hostility.

Maybe you should hang up your moderator hat and just be a poster.

Silver September 22nd, 2021 04:49

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Originally Posted by JFarrell71 (Post 1061655869)
Blatantly untrue. Lackblogger's post comments directly on Red's decision to include said post, implying bad judgment in doing so.

Your entire approach in this thread is poor form for a poster, terrible form for a moderator. Instead of agreeing with or simply keeping silent about a mild attempt by Ripper to discourage berating Red for doing their job, you've decided to make this thread a soapbox for how you think everyone should receive criticism and "humor." If you're thick skinned, good for you. When you start telling everyone else how to feel, that's another issue.

But you didn't stop there, not even close. You also decided to make this thread an open display of your contempt for a fellow board member and moderator. "Every post of yours is dripping with it." Where did this resentment come from? Can't have started today. I don't find Ripper to be any more sarcastic than the average board member, and considerably less so than many (including me, tbh). And "blindly agreeing"? Maybe she just, you know, actually agrees with Red. That ever occur to you? Again your use of the adjective "blindly" reveals some deep unwarranted hostility.

Maybe you should hang up your moderator hat and just be a poster.

I didn't take Lackblogger's post that way at all. Suggestions for focusing on different content are fine imo.

I expressed my opinion. I didn't tell other people how to feel about things. Sorry if you took it that way.

Telling Ripper he is often sarcastic is just an observation. I meant no more or less by it. Although I'll admit I got a bit testy.

When I said I don't want to appear to blindly agree I meant just that. Its good for there to be disagreements from time to time.

Just to clarify. I'm not a moderator just a news poster.

Please don't project hostile intentions onto me. I don't hate Ripper or anyone else on this forum. I am apparently not very good at not being blunt for which I apologise.

Arkadia7 September 22nd, 2021 07:02

I think Silver is a very good news poster. They have been here for a long time, and from what I've seen, they have always behaved in a respectable manner.

Generally, I don't think people who are thin-skinned should be news posters or moderators, that is not a suitable job for thin-skinned folk, in my humble opinion.

There is a sense of "lee-way" that has to be allowed in those types of "jobs" , if you will.

If you want to allow for a good, free flowing type atmosphere in the comments, that is.

I don't think redglyph is thin-skinned, from what I have seen so far, so I am not criticizing them here. That said, I don't think people should be directly attacking news posters, but obviously it can be a fine line, if someone says this list is "shit", then to me, that is not attacking the poster, it just is giving their (somewhat colorful) opinion of what they think of a game list.

Just wanted to chime in, my 2 cents.

Lolozaur September 22nd, 2021 07:20

What a soap opera lol, for me that is a shit list and wrong as well since he called it TOP and he also puts shooters, and im talking about the youtuber ofc, dont know why the poster took it personally.

Ripper September 22nd, 2021 07:29

It's a lot more fuss than it needed to be. I'm saying that without our news posters, there is no RPGWatch, so let's cut them a break. And if people are going to make a nuisance of themselves, it's going to be clean up on aisle 5. That's it.

Silver September 22nd, 2021 07:38

I'll lend a bit of support to Ripper here as well. I ripped into him a little in this thread (pun intended) but he does a good job.

Ripper September 22nd, 2021 07:40

Thank you.

Redglyph September 22nd, 2021 09:52

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Originally Posted by Moriendor (Post 1061655827)
I don't get why you are taking this personal? People are/were attacking the "shit list" by that YouTuber and NOT your news post.

I'm not really taking that personally, I sure hope for them those posters aren't that desperate.

What I don't like, be that here or in other threads, is completely unconstructive harsh comment or baiting. This youtuber is quite good but he likes various games, some you may like, some not, it's a question of personal taste.

I'm open to criticism but let's make it decent at least, constructive suggestions are always welcome. A post is an opportunity to discuss; there are other posters here who expressed their opinion like adults, and that's fine, it allows me to better understand what they like or don't like. But writing it's a shitty post that doesn't belong or implying I'm a fool for posting this will get us nowhere.

I'm not paid to do this, I do it to help the team. And subscribers aren't paying to sit comfortably in those forums while others maintain it and try to find articles to entertain them.

Redglyph September 22nd, 2021 10:03

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Originally Posted by rune_74 (Post 1061655833)
I don't get why you add so many to your ignore list….I'm pretty sure I'm on there just because I disagreed with you.

You are totally within your rights, but I prefer to state my objections instead of taking my ball and going home. Then again I think you can't even see this.

So many? Did you count them? ;)

I'm not sure about you but I'm coming here to have a good time, not to fight with others or argue in vain.

If someone starts baiting at you or gets on your nerve, and their posts aren't that interesting to you to begin with, it's simply the best course of action. I don't do that often.

Nereida September 22nd, 2021 11:14

I'm guilty of sometimes calling a newspost "irrelevant", but when I do so, I do not mean to say the post shouldn't have happened, it's mostly because I disagree with the opinion of the post itself and I want to subtract value from it. It's not a case of the news poster shouldn't post that, more a case of "I don't agree with its views/opinions, and so I'd like to discredit it".

The only news I despise seeing are politics/social related posts that invite types of people and opinions that I do not want to experience in my day to day life, in the front page, or those that have to do with mobile/trash games that prey on addiction, but after my leave, I've been checking now and then and saw those have been cut off. Particularly, I saw no mention of the Blizzard controversy, which I was glad for, and made me feel safe to return.

In general, however, if you post something, expect people to have opinions about it, and accept that they may not be what you'd like to hear. You have a unique power which is conveying your favoured messages to a community, a privilege to push your chosen views or articles in the face of an audience - then you have to accept when the audience lashes back, because that is their only means to exercise their own very limited power of divulgation.

You can always censor the audiences that are not receptive to your message, too, but then this would be a different kind of site.

Redglyph September 22nd, 2021 11:18

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Originally Posted by Couchpotato (Post 1061655800)
Yeah it's pretty strange list but hey thanks for sharing @Redglyph.

Anyway most don't interest me but Guardians of the Galaxy does. I remember you shared a link to an article that went in-depth about it only having RPG elements.

Still it has my interest.:)

I have to try out-there stuff sometimes, though in this case it's not so alien. Even if it's a strange mix, I thought a few of the entries may interest some of you.

I didn't care much for the initial ad on monitor TBH, I think he could have put that into a separate video given the length of it :-/ That's why I collected the names of the game and included the timestamps here.

Redglyph September 22nd, 2021 11:23

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Originally Posted by Nereida (Post 1061655925)
In general, however, if you post something, expect people to have opinions about it, and accept that they may not be what you'd like to hear. You have a unique power which is conveying your favoured messages to a community, a privilege to push your chosen views or articles in the face of an audience - then you have to accept when the audience lashes back, because that is their only means to exercise their own very limited power of divulgation.

As I said, I don't mind opinions. But if someone cannot express themselves like a normal person, I certainly won't hesitate to give my own opinion on that. ;) It's not as if I owed anyone anything, really, I'm not doing that for my own interest.

Nereida September 22nd, 2021 11:27

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Originally Posted by Redglyph (Post 1061655928)
As I said, I don't mind opinions. But if someone cannot express themselves like a normal person, I certainly won't hesitate to give my own opinion on that. ;) It's not as if I owed anyone anything, really, I'm not doing that for my own interest.

You say that, but generally you will post more newsbits about topics that interest you, or views that align with yours, hence validating your opinions by exposing that there are published opinions like yours. I don't mean "you" as if singling you out, I mean it in the general meaning of "you". You, me, they, anyone will do that, even the most professional, self-proclaimed objective press.

In a nutshell, that gives you a privilege and in a way it is your own interest, maybe not in every news post, but in a good number of them. I haven't seen a negative opinion about PF:WotR posted a newsbit, for example, I only saw summaries of favourable scores. The only negative article I saw was posted by a user.

You keep in mind, it's your power, your privilege. Those who read have their own privilege, much more limited, to respond in that same thread, with but a tiny fraction of the visibility that your messages get.

Ripper September 22nd, 2021 11:36

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Originally Posted by Nereida (Post 1061655925)
The only news I despise seeing are politics/social related posts that invite types of people and opinions that I do not want to experience in my day to day life, in the front page, or those that have to do with mobile/trash games that prey on addiction, but after my leave, I've been checking now and then and saw those have been cut off.

I would just point out that nothing has been cut off, and you were actually extremely rude yourself at the point of your leaving. Had you not left at that point, I would have addressed that, too.

Nereida September 22nd, 2021 11:38

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Originally Posted by Ripper (Post 1061655932)
I would just point out that nothing has been cut off, and you were actually extremely rude yourself at the point of your leaving. Had you not left at that point, I would have addressed that, too.

Regardless what you say, it was cut off. If you wish me to leave, just go back to make news of that kind.

I couldn't care less about what you think that needed to be addressed.

Ripper September 22nd, 2021 11:40

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Originally Posted by Nereida (Post 1061655933)
Regardless what you say, it was cut off. If you wish me to leave, just go back to make news of that kind.

I couldn't care less about what you think that needed to be addressed.

OK, just bear in mind that you'll be moderated just like anyone else that thinks they can behave like that, and I certainly don't care if you want to have another "delete my account" tantrum.

Nereida September 22nd, 2021 11:45

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Originally Posted by Ripper (Post 1061655934)
OK, just bear in mind that you'll be moderated just like anyone else that thinks they can behave like that, and I certainly don't care if you want to have another "delete my account" tantrum.

Definitely. I expect you to do your job as a moderator and I expect not to be exempt from the site's TOS.

It will not, in any way, restrain my opinions however. Seeing the amount of personal, obsessive harassment that some members of this site put against other members, I also expect it's a long way before anything of what I say becomes too troublesome, but you know, I can have bad days, and if I overstep, I too need to be reminded that it is not okay.

Redglyph September 22nd, 2021 11:48

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Originally Posted by Nereida (Post 1061655930)
You say that, but generally you will post more newsbits about topics that interest you, or views that align with yours, hence validating your opinions by exposing that there are published opinions like yours. I don't mean "you" as if singling you out, I mean it in the general meaning of "you". You, me, they.

In a nutshell, that gives you a privilege and in a way it is your own interest, maybe not in every news post, but in a good number of them. I haven't seen a negative opinion about PF:WotR posted a newsbit, for example, I only saw summaries of favourable scores. The only negative article I saw was posted by a user.

That kind of things. You keep in mind, it's your power, your privilege. Those who read have their own privilege, much more limited, to respond in that same thread, with but a tiny fraction of the visibility that your messages get.

Believe me, there's no privilege spending time trying to find what entertains you. :p I'm not a professional doing a paid job, nor am I using the forums to post what I already know. It's simply easier for us newsposters to start with what we know and can assess.

But I'm trying to post news that are outside of my comfort zone now and then. Like this one, or about JRPGs, because I know that some of you like that. And I'm more than happy to hear feedback on it, especially if that lets me see exactly what it is you like or dislike.

There's a way to suggest articles if you'd like to see it published (PM or "contact us"), that's what I did when I wasn't part of the team, and what a few others do. Of course it's always easier to criticize than to participate, isn't it. Same old story. :)

You also have to understand that we need to maintain some motivation and get some satisfaction out of it. Plus it has to be satisfying for most readers too. So I can't just go about posting news and ignoring the response, it's not sustainable.

Ripper September 22nd, 2021 11:51

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Originally Posted by Nereida (Post 1061655935)
It will not, in any way, restrain my opinions however. Seeing the amount of personal, obsessive harassment that some members of this site put against other members, I also expect it's a long way before anything of what I say becomes too troublesome, but you know, I can have bad days, and if I overstep, I too need to be reminded that it is not okay.

OK, but do also bear in mind that I don't believe there is "personal, obsessive harassment" going on. Sometimes particular people tend to bicker, and sometimes people enjoy being provocative themselves, but then getting upset when they get some in return. I have very little time for that.

Nereida September 22nd, 2021 11:51

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Originally Posted by Redglyph (Post 1061655936)
Believe me, there's no privilege spending time trying to find what entertains you. :p I'm not a professional doing a paid job, nor am I using the forums to post what I already know. It's simply easier for us newsposters to start with what we know and can assess.

But I'm trying to post news that are outside of my comfort zone now and then. Like this one, or about JRPGs, because I know that some of you like that. And I'm more than happy to hear feedback on it, especially if that lets me see exactly what it is you like or dislike.

There's a way to suggest articles if you'd like to see it published, that's what I did when I wasn't part of the team, and what a few others do. Of course it's always easier to criticize than to participate, isn't it. Same old story. :)

You also have to understand that we need to maintain some motivation and get some satisfaction out of it. Plus it has to be satisfying for most readers too. So I can't just go about posting news and ignoring the response, it's not sustainable.

No, I get it, and sometimes there is nothing new to talk about, so you have to bring in those "lists" of "best RPG of the decade" and such, to keep the conversations going. I understand that, and often it's overseen how hard it's to create interest where there is none.

In general, I just prefer if people can give their opinions, heated as they are, without losing their nerve. It's okay to have strong feelings about a topic, afterall, we are passionate about videogames, and that's why we are here.

Nereida September 22nd, 2021 11:53

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Originally Posted by Ripper (Post 1061655937)
OK, but do also bear in mind that I don't believe there is "personal, obsessive harassment" going on. Sometimes particular people tend to bicker, and sometimes people enjoy being provocative themselves, but then getting upset when they get some in return. I have very little time for that.

I know of an user that goes wherever I go, doing personal insults against me even when it has nothing to do with him. I may be having a debate with someone else, and at some point, there in the middle, you will find the insulting one-liner directed at me, for absolutely no reason. It's kind of stalking, at this point.

But that is okay, been dealing with the attitude for 15 years, with far worse cases than him. I don't expect you to do much about it, because I've grown a thick skin.

Couchpotato September 22nd, 2021 11:55

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Originally Posted by Nereida (Post 1061655939)
I know of an user that goes wherever I go, doing personal insults against me even when it has nothing to do with him. I may be having a debate with someone else, and at some point, there in the middle, you will find the insulting one-liner directed at me, for absolutely no reason. It's kind of stalking, at this point.

Oh I now who your taking about as that user does the same to me as well.:biggrin:

He's now user #2 on my ignore list.

Ripper September 22nd, 2021 12:00

If something like that was actually going on, I would certainly do something about it, but I don't accept that it is. I think what's actually going on is that you enjoy being provocative (which you stated just the other day), and sometimes that's going to attract pushback. That's fine - I've often been there. But I do think you're imposing a particularly malicious intent where that's not justified by the facts.

Nereida September 22nd, 2021 12:05

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Originally Posted by Ripper (Post 1061655943)
If something like that was actually going on, I would certainly do something about it, but I don't accept that it is. I think what's actually going on is that you enjoy being provocative (which you stated just the other day), and sometimes that's going to attract pushback. That's fine - I've often been there. But I do think you're imposing a particularly malicious intent where that's not justified by the facts.

I would find that valid if it happened around a certain topic, in a same thread. When it sprawls different unrelated topics or threads, without further provocation or even acknowledgment, it enters the realm of obsession.

But I am not going to enter a debate about it, because we are not equals in this. You have the power, and you have made your choice. And I can deal both with him and with a moderator that does not particularly like me or my provocative way to convey messages, so I am not troubled.

lackblogger September 22nd, 2021 12:26

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Originally Posted by Redglyph (Post 1061655910)
This youtuber is quite good but he likes various games, some you may like, some not, it's a question of personal taste.

I see. I guess that answers my question.

Ripper September 22nd, 2021 12:27

Well, Couch, you know you do quite often pop up and take a swipe at something I've said in a random thread. But I put that down to the fact that we sometimes rub each other the wrong way, so I don't really take it personally, and don't assume it's some anti-British campaign on your part (although this is a possibility). :p If you remember, actually, we always got on well, and I used to stick up for you when you were a newsposter too, and I was not a mod.

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Originally Posted by Nereida (Post 1061655944)
But I am not going to enter a debate about it, because we are not equals in this. You have the power, and you have made your choice. And I can deal both with him and with a moderator that does not particularly like me or my provocative way to convey messages, so I am not troubled.

That's fine. We don't need to debate it. Just so long as we understand each other.

Ripper September 22nd, 2021 12:40

Anyhow, folks. We've done a magnificent job of trashing this poor thread, so I think we'll call it a day. I think perhaps I've been a bit too quiet with the moderation, and just needed to make a few things clear. Feel free to start a thread in P&R if you have something to say about the moderation, and so on - but let's try not to let it spill out into the regular threads, where it bums out the readers. ;)


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