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TheRealFluent December 14th, 2019 09:26

So I'm just curious, how are you guys liking DLC 3 - the endless dungeon? I like the idea of battling hordes of enemies that dip into the bestiary a bit and traverse proc gen levels, but I'm curious as to other's opinions who have played a bit of it. Is it pretty fun exploring and taking on the dungeon?

purpleblob December 14th, 2019 12:33

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Originally Posted by TheRealFluent (Post 1061589991)
So I'm just curious, how are you guys liking DLC 3 - the endless dungeon? I like the idea of battling hordes of enemies that dip into the bestiary a bit and traverse proc gen levels, but I'm curious as to other's opinions who have played a bit of it. Is it pretty fun exploring and taking on the dungeon?

Personally, I love the DLC3 as a standalone. But once you hit high level encounters it gets really tedious because all you get is Wild Hunts or Golems prismatic spray spams. Up until then, it's fantastic.

wolfgrimdark December 14th, 2019 18:01

Thanks everyone and thanks for the tip @purpleblob!

I am down to my final candidates - so far entire week has been testing out class builds to try and match my Skyrim team (Wulver, my "Daedric" Tiefling, and Thrynn, the fighter/bandit from the Thieves Guild … along with a wolf and a fox).

Most likely Wulver will be a Sacred Huntsman as it gives him magic, bow, animal companion, and thief skills. The Eldritch Scoundrel (mage/rogue class) is the closest to his Skyrim but then I don't get the wolf … and Doing Sylvan Sorcerer with some rogue classes would be too similar to my last play through which was a pure Sylvan Sorcerer). However, I am still trying out both even if leaning towards the Huntsman - who is a bit "ranger" like with magic and thief like abilities so not too bad.

Thrynn, who is more of a bandit-fighter then a rogue, I am either doing a Mad Dog with Leopard or Ranger with Leopard. I prefer Ranger a tad more but its a bit similar to Huntsman and I see Thrynn more like the Barbarian/Bandit type. Still testing.

Some shots because why not :P

Thrynn
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/…a4e99bf7_k.jpg

Wulver (I need to update his picture at some point to better match his outfit)
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/…8e254a34_k.jpg

Current team, only level 2 - just doing Fangberry Cave
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/…b776e472_k.jpg

Also while checking out some mods found this nice Ranger outfit (image from inventory screen):

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/…aaebea28_o.png

purpleblob December 14th, 2019 23:59

Gosh, that ranger outfit is really nice!

TheRealFluent December 16th, 2019 00:47

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Originally Posted by purpleblob (Post 1061590006)
Personally, I love the DLC3 as a standalone. But once you hit high level encounters it gets really tedious because all you get is Wild Hunts or Golems prismatic spray spams. Up until then, it's fantastic.

Cool, thanks for the impressions. I'd be interested more in playing it during the main game and less as a standalone mode. Do you have enough time to go through the dungeon while still doing the main questing?

booboo December 16th, 2019 11:08

Decided to start another playthrough (already have 330 hours or so on this game, finished it twice!) but this time with a LN monk as my main character and on 'challenging'…well, what I really want is the old BG 'core rules' experience i.e. proper monster and ability implementation. Seems 'challenging' also bolsters monsters stats a bit (and may add more?)…I was managing OK, although dying from crits etc quite often, so tweaked that so monsters do 'normal' i.e. correct damage. Now it is much better, although still easy to get taken down. One bug so far - added a bow feat to Ekun, which he has all the requirement for as far as i can see, but it doesn't show up in his action bar :/ So a wasted feat slot.

Is there a way to respec a character, so I can try and reselect it?

PS Ekun is just an engine of destruction - bow experts in Kingmaker are devastating, ran into 'savage undead' in a tomb and they just tore through my party

purpleblob December 16th, 2019 11:52

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Originally Posted by TheRealFluent (Post 1061590202)
Cool, thanks for the impressions. I'd be interested more in playing it during the main game and less as a standalone mode. Do you have enough time to go through the dungeon while still doing the main questing?

The DLC#3 opens up as you progress the story in the main campaign. The first 4 levels open up in chapter 2, then another 4 levels open up in chapter 3 etc until you get all 16 levels + final boss. I'd say drop by the dungeon in chapter 5 so you can go through all 16 levels at once (saves you travel time etc overall).

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Originally Posted by booboo (Post 1061590237)
Is there a way to respec a character, so I can try and reselect it?

PS Ekun is just an engine of destruction - bow experts in Kingmaker are devastating, ran into 'savage undead' in a tomb and they just tore through my party

IIRC, the person who let you hire mercenaries now offer 3 respecs for anyone in your party for free.

Zloth December 16th, 2019 17:19

I plopped a village down right next to the DLC3 dungeon and put a teleport pad in it. Travel isn't a problem now! ;)

Respecs may not be available if you picked a higher difficulty level. Challenging turns them off.

booboo December 16th, 2019 21:19

@Purple @Zloth - thanks for the info, I'll give it a go (I assume I can just drop difficulty then raise it again if that stops a respec…?)

Zloth December 17th, 2019 01:55

I believe so. You won't get the achievement at the end for doing harder difficulty but that beats not having fun for the rest of the game.

Drithius December 18th, 2019 04:42

So, here's something I wish I'd known 100 hours ago… the artisans exclusively available to some of the villages you construct will [much] later on construct "masterpieces" for you. If you want this to actually happen, be sure to upgrade their respective village(s) into a town - or else you won't get these masterpieces. The number of towns you can create is limited, so choose wisely. The only exception I've found for this has been Bokken.

There's so many layers to this game that I'm still learning the finer details 90% of the way through…

purpleblob December 18th, 2019 05:23

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Originally Posted by Drithius (Post 1061590436)
So, here's something I wish I'd known 100 hours ago… the artisans exclusively available to some of the villages you construct will [much] later on construct "masterpieces" for you. If you want this to actually happen, be sure to upgrade their respective village(s) into a town - or else you won't get these masterpieces. The number of towns you can create is limited, so choose wisely. The only exception I've found for this has been Bokken.

There's so many layers to this game that I'm still learning the finer details 90% of the way through…

You don't need to upgrade the village to a town get the masterpieces. I think at the very least, you need to 1. build a settlement 2. build the workshops for artisans and 3. finish their quest. After that, certain actions increase the chance for artisans to deliver masterpieces.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Pathfinder_…m_data_mining/

Spoiler

Drithius December 18th, 2019 16:32

Must have been a bad coincidence then on my playthrough's part. That is some voodoo data right there, purple… it would indeed explain why masterpieces can be so finicky - it's so difficult to get the requisite tiers up to 8+ when the game's quest timers keep poking you in the face. Especially moreso if it's your/my first time playing the game; I only capped off my last rank 10 by hunkering down in the capital for 6 weeks while everything went to hell outside!

The game begs for repeated playthroughs! So many things that can be done differently.

you December 18th, 2019 20:58

How do you build a teleporter and how do you use it ?

purpleblob December 18th, 2019 20:59

@Drithius It certainly does - I plan to do another playthrough next year. I got 4 masterpieces in 1 run, I want to get all 10 next time!

purpleblob December 18th, 2019 21:06

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Originally Posted by you (Post 1061590497)
How do you build a teleporter and how do you use it ?

You build it on your settlement just like any other buildings like shop, smith etc. IIRC teleport circles unlock when you upgrade your village into a town. Mage tower (which also allows teleport) may be tied to arcane ranks.

You can teleport between settlements where you built teleport circle/mage tower (which means you need to build minimum of 2 to use teleport) - the option to teleport will appear when you click on village/town/city icon.

wolfgrimdark December 19th, 2019 00:51

I like, love perhaps, all the hidden stuff in the game. I am so tired of games that reveal every secret, hand hold every part of the game, etc. I like that it is layered and complicated.

I haven't played since all the patches and content updates. I created a Tiefling when that was released but got distracted and the game was still too fresh.

Also, now that I know the story and am used to the timers, I am playing in a much more relaxed fashion, worrying less about getting everything done right away or focusing on the main story. I am finding tons of things I either missed before or were added later in patch, content update, or DLC.

My first time through I played on easy mode as I am not big on too much micro-management of potions, scrolls, and buffs so my game tends to be hard even on easy since I tend to just use long-term buffs (1 minute or longer ones). However, I am playing on challenging this round (and still not using many buffs) and enjoying it - even though I have had to frequently leave some place to return later as I get my ass handed to me. Only things I adjusted were quality of life - remove negative effects on full rest and carry weight doesn't effect speed, both settings in the game itself. Both those options I can manage disabled but it just adds extra tedium to the game for me, so no point.

Really enjoying myself and looking forward each night to my little window of play time. I also enjoy the modding - not to cheat as that would ruin the game for me - but to make the game more into my world, even if small touches. Like I made Thrynn permanently "large" size, with its penalties to stealth, dexterity, and AC, but with its perks to strength, damage and reach. Thrynn is a hired mercenary - Mad Dog Barbarian with leopard as the animal.

But my main use is the visual adjustments mod so I can force the default look of the outfits (which is a visual only thing) to what I want. I can also hide the HUD and rotate the camera and zoom in/out more (but fog of war is the same). Plus I got some new textures for some weapons and outfits.

The other thing I like is the complexity of character building. While my main character, Wulver, does not have an ideal build, I was really able to pinpoint what I wanted.

He is also my first dual-class type in ages … like since I played Baldurs Gate games. I tend to like "pure" builds versus splitting them up. Nor do I like power builds. I focus first on RP then survivablility (although I do balance both in as I also want to be able to survive).

WULVER BLACKFUR

Race: Tiefling (general background since in his lore he is a chaos Tiefling)

Stats: STR 10, DEX 18, CON 14, INT 12, WIS 16, CH 12

Alignment: Chaotic Good

Main Skills: Mobility, Trickery, Stealth, Perception, Persuasion (I get min 4 points per level but it alternates due to formula on int bonus and his rogue class)

Combat Focus: Everything is about dual wielding daggers. Any perk, talent, spell, etc., relating to improving combat around having two daggers is what I take. Secondary is the bow.

Magic Focus: Long term buffs, counter spells, healing. If I wanted combat magic I would play a single class wizard or sorcerer (I played a Sylvan Sorcerer the first time to level 17).

Primary Class (max of 16 levels): Sacred Huntsmaster, follows Desna (loosely). Wolf is the "boon" companion.

Secondary Class (4 levels max due to animal companion issue): Rogue Knife Master, extra damage range (1d8) with daggers, improved skill options/points, some nice early rogue bonuses. He won't have a ton of sneak attack but with weapon finesse for damage and attack on his dexterity (which will be 22 by level 16) is nice.

Because of his Sacred Huntsmaster team perk ability he works in tandem with his animal and Thrynn and his animal all side by side. I hope to get some nice synergy going there.

Overall more of an RP build that reflects Wulvers "Skyrim" heritage but also fits his overall lore as a planes walker and chaos Tiefling. Oh and I updated his portraits to fit a bit better:

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/…232839c7_b.jpg

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/…0658feff_b.jpg

As usual I tend to go all-out when I really like a game and dig in extensively to my characters personality, history, lore, and so on. It adds so much depth to the game for me and the character in general. Helps pull me in tighter to the game and seeing my character as really "there" in the world.

EDIT: Wulver and Team. Big guy in front is Thrynn (based on Skyrim Thrynn). Wulver is the one in the back right with the red tail :P His wolf is actually a Worg (RP anyhow, used the visual adjustment mod to use the worg body but still a wolf companion).

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/…f4208750_k.jpg

EDIT: One other build I want to do, for Varnhold play through since that is a different character, is a Sorcerer whose Tiefling background is Infernal or Abyss (as then you don't get the -2 charisma) BUT for his Sorcerer bloodline take celestial. He will be part infernal and part celestial which will be fun. A tiefling with horns, tail, and wings. With some devil and angel abilities. Should be interesting. Perhaps something that looks like this, which is the character portrait I started to make for him in Skyrim this week:

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/…aa89aeea_b.jpg

Zloth December 22nd, 2019 02:00

I think you've got to get an arcane minister before you can make the circles and do teleportation. I'm pretty certain you can make the Mage Towers before then (and they can add quite a bit toward getting an arcane minister).

Wolfgrimdark - but… but… Nok Nok is the dual dagger guy! You can't leave him at home, he's too fun!

wolfgrimdark December 22nd, 2019 02:29

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Originally Posted by Zloth (Post 1061590814)
I think you've got to get an arcane minister before you can make the circles and do teleportation. I'm pretty certain you can make the Mage Towers before then (and they can add quite a bit toward getting an arcane minister).

Wolfgrimdark - but… but… Nok Nok is the dual dagger guy! You can't leave him at home, he's too fun!

Aye he is a fun character. He will join the party and we will flank our victims together :)

Drithius December 31st, 2019 07:32

Going to leave this here for later, courtesy of Daidre on the Codex.
https://i.imgur.com/R8zcGPa.png

rjshae January 1st, 2020 03:06

I'm enjoying this play-through much more now that I've turned on Auto mode with Kingdom maintenance. Plus it's greater fun with a druid character than it ever was with a paladin. I wish there were a druidic PrC though. Ah well, can't have everything.

Zloth January 4th, 2020 03:21

What is that?? Levels needed before the masterwork will have a chance of showing up?

bjon045 January 4th, 2020 04:19

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Originally Posted by Zloth (Post 1061592122)
What is that?? Levels needed before the masterwork will have a chance of showing up?

Yes. My takeaway from that is that if you want all the masterworks you should work hard on espionage as it normally comes last and it needs a fairly high level to produce masterworks (8). I am pretty sure that is the only one I missed out on in my playthrough even though I had everything at 10 well before the end. I think the rule of thumb is you need about 180 days after getting the required level (and completing all the required quests) to be guaranteed to get a masterwork.

Pongo January 4th, 2020 13:07

I'm just on my first playthrough. I have kingdom management set to Easy - I'm not really into that side of things generally, but I'm still in Chapter 1 and don't have a view on how it's implemented here yet.

My main character is an Aldori Defender, mixed with a couple of levels of rogue for sneak attacks etc. I'm debating whether to aim for the Aldori Swordmaster prestige class later on - has anyone played one, any thoughts?

wolfgrimdark January 5th, 2020 07:31

I just finished my second complete play through. First was a pure Sylvan Sorcerer with a wolf. This time I was mixed, and made level 20 about 30 minutes before the final battle :P He was a human named Fenn.

4 levels of Knife Master (Rogue, dagger specialist) and 16 levels of Sacred Huntsman, follower of Freedom (Desna, sp?), with a wolf, of course. He is a Tiefling named Wulver Blackfur. He has his friend Thrynn (mercenary) who I made as a human Mad Dog barbarian with a Leopard. The 4 of them made for a great team especially with the Inquisitor team feats. The other 4 were followers - while I did all the companion quests my main team, besides the two animals, were Wulver, Thrynn, Valerie (my main tank), Tristian (healer), Octavia (Mage, rogue back-up to Wulver), and Linzi and now and then Reg.

I also got the special/complete ending which I had wanted to attempt. I had to juggle the RP but outside of that it was fun.

I might try one final play through at some point. Most likely a Ranger or a druid.

I have 319 hours so far into the game.

Zloth January 6th, 2020 06:57

Wow, I'm still on my first! 180 hours in - that turn mode mod is great but I really should turn it off more often.

purpleblob January 12th, 2020 10:49

Did another run of Beneath the Stolen Lands to try out a new build. Went with dex based slayer/vivi/sorc/arcane trickster with two weapon fighting - worked quite well since slayer gets better with more sneak attacks :) fun stuff

wolfgrimdark January 13th, 2020 00:05

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Originally Posted by purpleblob (Post 1061592817)
Did another run of Beneath the Stolen Lands to try out a new build. Went with dex based slayer/vivi/sorc/arcane trickster with two weapon fighting - worked quite well since slayer gets better with more sneak attacks :) fun stuff

Wow, that is quite the build. It took me since the game came out till recently to even consider multi-classing. Wulver lvl 4 knife master and lvl 16 Sacred Huntsman was my first. I enjoyed him a lot. But I get nervous multi-classing. I tend to like focus.

I would have a heart attack if I tried to do that many classes! :) Sounds like you had a total of 4 classes there?

I did start my third play through (scratched my other idea of an Aasimar ranger and went with a simple human). Lobo, a very anti-social ranger with negative persuasion skills … mainly because my last two were both ultra high in persuasion and I want to play differently.

Lobo has one level in rogue (can only do one since boon companion only covers 4 levels). That is mainly because I like to play out front of the group - stealth, scouting, removing traps, etc., (either that or I want to be a pure caster way in the back just monitoring the battlefield and not worrying about micro management. But can only do that playing on easy mode so I can just let the AI handle the companions).

So one level in Rogue opens up the skill trees and gives me two backstabs (level 1 and the perk). Boon companion will make up that level plus the ones with ranger starting late. I miss out on the level 20 talent but that isn't a big deal. Usually make 20 near end-game and can't use it much anyhow.

Not big on archery and as I said want to be in front. So he is dual wield, long sword and swortsword.

Anyhow the goal I have for him is this:

- Avoid being diplomatic, persuasive, social, etc. He is a hermit who prefers the wilds and his animals. He only joined this venture because he sensed evil trying to corrupt the natural land and wilds of the Stolen Lands.

- Focus on nature. Building cities will focus on all those nature types of buildings and themes.

- Not a fan of anything that harms nature or animals.

Not that original I know but should be fun. He is neutral good in alignment with oddly some lawful tendencies. Partly because he appreciates natural order and structure. Partly because my other two characters were CG.

These are the portraits I made for his game. Will update them with a wolf at his side once he makes level 5.


https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/…7e156101_k.jpg

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/…bb40ecfb_k.jpg

purpleblob January 13th, 2020 07:56

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Originally Posted by wolfgrimdark (Post 1061592855)
I would have a heart attack if I tried to do that many classes! :) Sounds like you had a total of 4 classes there?

I like single class as well (played Crusader, Empyreal sorceress, Paladin and Inquisitor) but I like hybrid arcane class as well :)

Yes, I used total of 4 classes - 1 slayer + 1 vivisectionist + x sorcerer + 10 arcane trickster with a focus on two weapon fighting (Shortsword and dagger). I could have not dip 1 class in vivisectionist but it gives early buff through mutagen and you get sneak attack earlier this way.

Other builds I've tried are:

1 ranger + 1 vivisectionist + x mage + 10 arcane trickster with a focus on long bow.
1 ranger + 1 vivisectionist + x mage + 10 eldritch knight with a focus on rapier.

Similar builds but different weapon focus gives different twist :)

Quote:

I did start my third play through (scratched my other idea of an Aasimar ranger and went with a simple human). Lobo, a very anti-social ranger with negative persuasion skills … mainly because my last two were both ultra high in persuasion and I want to play differently.
Wow, I've never tried out low persuasion character… I don't know if I ever will. When I eventually start my 4th playthrough, I want to play as CN.. to tick off some achievements ;)

rjshae January 20th, 2020 23:09

Seems to be getting buggier later in the game. In the Pitax palace I could see into two secret areas, but found no way to open them. The Militia quest in Varnhold is still bugged, although it eventually seemed to resolve itself.

wolfgrimdark January 21st, 2020 00:04

That could be you missing something. The second time I played I was able to get into, and find, things I didn't the first time. Either I hadn't figured out a puzzle, my perception was not high enough, didn't explore enough, and so on.

This game really doesn't hand hold side stuff. Main quest you get some guidance but side things you are often on your own to figure out. Some consider that a bug when its just not discovering the secret yet.

Don't know about the militia in Varnhold issue as it always went well for me, done it three times.

Not saying there isn't a bug, just pointing out the game is pretty stable overall at this point and I often see people reporting a bug that isn't a bug but instead something they didn't solve or missed.

Zloth February 8th, 2020 19:24

Yipe! Just finished the Rushlight tourney and got quite a scare. My main character suddenly had only his bow with everything else missing! That bastage took everything else - even my crown!!

Oh wait… there's my stuff down at the end of the inventory list. Phew.

P.S. There was a 40 diplomacy check in there that I managed to make by rolling an 18. That earned my main character almost 140,000xp! He's almost caught up to Nok Nok!

purpleblob February 8th, 2020 20:10

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Originally Posted by Zloth (Post 1061595433)
Yipe! Just finished the Rushlight tourney and got quite a scare. My main character suddenly had only his bow with everything else missing! That bastage took everything else - even my crown!!

Oh wait… there's my stuff down at the end of the inventory list. Phew.

P.S. There was a 40 diplomacy check in there that I managed to make by rolling an 18. That earned my main character almost 140,000xp! He's almost caught up to Nok Nok!

Yeah, there are quite a few very difficult persuasion checks that will give you a big chunk of exp :)

bjon045 February 8th, 2020 22:37

While it's great getting a big chunk of XP those checks are very poorly balanced. The DC40-60 checks give far too much experience. As an example a single DC60 check gives more experience than the entire Endless Depths dungeon in the main campaign, including killing the final boss. Just spread that XP out more to quests and some of the big fights. The reality is that if you don't hit all the DC40-60 checks in the game and you are running as a full party you won't hit level 20.

purpleblob February 9th, 2020 02:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by bjon045 (Post 1061595452)
While it's great getting a big chunk of XP those checks are very poorly balanced. The DC40-60 checks give far too much experience. As an example a single DC60 check gives more experience than the entire Endless Depths dungeon in the main campaign, including killing the final boss. Just spread that XP out more to quests and some of the big fights. The reality is that if you don't hit all the DC40-60 checks in the game and you are running as a full party you won't hit level 20.

That's providing if you don't have DLCs.

Zloth February 9th, 2020 03:12

Don't need to hit level 20 - I just need to get through the game.

Oh - my Eldrich Archer has gotten a good bit better now that he's gotten access to 6th level spells, which finally have some ranged touch attacks. I've been getting mighty sick of shooting snowballs over and over.

TomRon February 11th, 2020 17:21

Started playing this a couple of days ago. Bad idea. Now I can't think of anything else, the damn game is in my head constantly! Which would be ok if I could finish it in a week or so, but it will probably take me at least a month.

Playing a male CG Half-elf Knife Master/Viv. He's a proper glass cannon, which is my preferred style of character. Just started chapter 2 and hit level 5, currently at 3KM/1Viv and now I have anxiety over how to proceed the build. My main idea was to only do that single dip into Viv, but the improved mutagen that is way further down the tree sure is tempting…

purpleblob February 11th, 2020 21:00

@TomRon - do you havr beneath the stolen lands DLC? Its a good one to test out builds since you level up much faster :)

TomRon February 11th, 2020 21:42

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Originally Posted by purpleblob (Post 1061595707)
@TomRon - do you havr beneath the stolen lands DLC? Its a good one to test out builds since you level up much faster :)

Nope, I'm a bit strapped for cash at the moment but plan to get all DLC's to support Owlcat if nothing else.

I chose to continue leveling KM, Viv can stay at 1 for now. A bit into three second chapter, only took two weeks of the first month before I realized how to construct buildings…I almost reloaded the beginning of the chapter to not lose those two weeks of build time but managed to let it go…

purpleblob February 11th, 2020 23:03

Yeah kingdom takes a while to get used to - I think it will be worthwhile reading some online tips and guide. Personally, I enjoyed kingdom management in my second playthrough + subsequent runs but I was rather lost in my first run too.


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