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HiddenX November 2nd, 2021 18:24

Vagrus: The Riven Realms - Patch 1.015 "Wasted"
 
Vagrus: The Riven Realms Realms got a new patch:

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Patch 1.015. - Codename: Wasted

New Content

  • New Jagged Waste codex entry added to all vagri
User Interface Improvements

  • "P" hotkey now opens and closes Price History (the Chart remains in the background)
Bug Fixes

  • Merging UI glitch (causing several interfaces to merge into a mess) is now fixed
  • "Less than a stack" drag&drop exploit is no longer possible
  • The issue causing various New Game related anomalies like ruined Velarias or Fort Larius has been fixed so it should not reoccur in the future
  • 'Cull Their Ranks' now shows the correct number of deployable companions
  • Withdrawing money from the outpost causing a crash fixed
  • Mount crew stats not showing up when 'All mounted' is now fixed
  • Abolitionist-related Tasks now always point to valid destination settlement (with unlocked Abolitionist presence)
  • Shift + click on the Outrider converting buttons (+/-) now work on the Crew Combat UI
  • Settlement UI no longer pops up randomly during Crew Combat
[…]

More information.

Redglyph November 2nd, 2021 18:29

That's likely the next game I'll play, at least a first run to get familiar with how it works. :)

Redglyph November 5th, 2021 14:40

https://i.ibb.co/16GgLGp/image.png

He's just joking, right? :lol:

That made me wonder whether voice-acting would be a great option or not. I'd love it, but that would take more time to play, and from the comments on Encased, not everybody likes voice-acting for the narrative part.

Maybe just for the important stories, if such a distinction exists in the game? (I'm only in the tutorial) Currently, interactive stories are almost like reading a book, so that would be almost like listening to an audio book.

Couchpotato November 5th, 2021 15:05

Never understood why they add voice-overs after the game gets released. Anyway yeah I'm not to keen on voice-overs in certain RPGs as they just don't fit most of the time.

Redglyph November 5th, 2021 16:02

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Originally Posted by Couchpotato (Post 1061661951)
Never understood why they add voice-overs after the game gets released. Anyway yeah I'm not to keen on voice-overs in certain RPGs as they just don't fit most of the time.

Budget constraints, I'd say.

It's rhetorical anyway, I think. They clearly said they were not planning to do so. Just wondering what if…

What do you mean "they just don't fit"?

Couchpotato November 5th, 2021 16:06

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Originally Posted by Redglyph (Post 1061661969)
Budget constraints, I'd say.

It's rhetorical anyway, I think. They clearly said they were not planning to do so. Just wondering what if…

What do you mean "they just don't fit"?

Basically the voices don't fit the characters in your mind. It was one of the reasons why past RPGs didn't voice the main protagonist you play as. You just picked text choices.

On the other-hand other genres that are not RPG's I have no problem with voice-overs.

Redglyph November 5th, 2021 18:50

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Originally Posted by Couchpotato (Post 1061661972)
Basically the voices don't fit the characters in your mind. It was one of the reasons why past RPGs didn't voice the main protagonist you play as. You just picked text choices.

On the other-hand other genres that are not RPG's I have no problem with voice-overs.

The voices are for the NPCs (and the narrator), their personality is already defined by the story, so there's no mismatch I can think of. You can choose how their class attributes evolve with experience, but IMO it doesn't impact the personality or the voice.

JFarrell71 November 5th, 2021 20:13

I don't think voice acting would be a good fit for Vagrus at all. You are frequently seeing the same text as you revisit locations for the second, tenth, or twentieth time. Easy enough to skip/skim over that when you're reading it, insanely irritating if it's spoken aloud. Voice acting also doesn't work well for long stretches of text. Most of it would be narration, very little of it dialogue.

Redglyph November 5th, 2021 22:41

Does anyone knows how Vagrus shows the check results? For example it says "test fail (80 to 66)", which is obscure to me. What do those values represent? Does it mean it had 80 / (80 + 66) chances of success? or of failure?

EDIT: the same check that succeeded shows "test success (17 to 66)"… it's even weirder. So the first value seems to change, maybe it's the random value, but it fails when it's larger than the 2nd one, and succeeds when it's lower. Maybe random values are 0-100 and must be lower than the 2nd value to succeed?

JFarrell71 November 5th, 2021 23:12

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Originally Posted by Redglyph (Post 1061662040)
Does anyone knows how Vagrus shows the check results? For example it says "test fail (80 to 66)", which is obscure to me. What do those values represent? Does it mean it had 80 / (80 + 66) chances of success? or of failure?

EDIT: the same check that succeeded shows "test success (17 to 66)"… it's even weirder. So the first value seems to change, maybe it's the random value, but it fails when it's larger than the 2nd one, and succeeds when it's lower. Maybe random values are 0-100 and must be lower than the 2nd value to succeed?

I don't know for sure, but I would guess the latter. 66 representing a 66% chance of success, and a 17 representing a roll within that range of values from 1-66.

Redglyph November 6th, 2021 16:21

No idea. It seems the right number changes sometimes too, in combat.

I really like the storytelling, the choices and many other aspects of the game: the lore, the map, the trading side of the game, the codex, …, awesome. But it is obscure, badly explained, has a very bad UI and I have the impression of playing blindly without having been told the rules.

The fact the tutorial disables a lot of features doesn't help, for example for a long time it's not possible to see the character's sheet; some of the companions were wounded in a combat but I don't now how much. Nor how fast they heal.

The combat system is probably the worst. It's cumbersome and the rules are poorly explained once again. There's a log of the "rolls" and so on, but again, those are unexplained numbers and acronyms which mostly don't make any sense to me. One or two are briefly mentioned in the tutorial. Once you get to finally see the character sheet you can see the usual Dexterity, Might, and so on, but the tooltip says it's not directly used in combat, so it's not intuitive at all.

There are icons to access information at the base of each character during combat, but some of them are masked by other characters rendered in front of them. x_x It's a complete mess. Not that they show much information anyway.

It could be a great game, but it doesn't look finished, and it definitely needs an improvement in the UI to make the information more accessible. We have good examples how complex rulesets are made easy with the UI, with Pathfinder, Encased, D:OS, Solasta, and so on. Windows are even cut with buttons barely accessible, text partially masked, relevant UI parts hidden by the tutorial window…

Yet I'll go on playing and I suppose I'll finally get to understand it all, but it's a frustrating start. I think the game is harsh enough without having to put up with all that.

It's not that I wouldn't recommend the game, it has potential. But brace yourself, it has many rough edges. It's mostly only about information for someone who starts playing, not the actual content.

JDR13 November 6th, 2021 22:31

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Originally Posted by Redglyph (Post 1061662106)
The combat system is probably the worst. It's cumbersome and the rules are poorly explained once again. There's a log of the "rolls" and so on, but again, those are unexplained numbers and acronyms which mostly don't make any sense to me. One or two are briefly mentioned in the tutorial. Once you get to finally see the character sheet you can see the usual Dexterity, Might, and so on, but the tooltip says it's not directly used in combat, so it's not intuitive at all.

Yeah, from what I've played, the combat seemed kind of simplistic and sort off felt tacked-on. Also, while the art is good, it's barely animated. Still, I think it's serviceable, and the game is deep enough in other ways that the combat not being great isn't really a big deal.

Redglyph November 7th, 2021 00:13

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Originally Posted by JDR13 (Post 1061662138)
Yeah, from what I've played, the combat seemed kind of simplistic and sort off felt tacked-on. Also, while the art is good, it's barely animated. Still, I think it's serviceable, and the game is deep enough in other ways that the combat not being great isn't really a big deal.

I agree, and it doesn't bother me, I'm more annoyed by the opacity. I think it's temporary, and after a while one gets to understand the rules better but they should really work on making the information more available to the player.

There is a tutorial mode, so it's a good start. It's the same as the prologue from what I saw when I briefly played the demo, but maybe longer.

Were you tempted by the game after playing the demo?

JFarrell71 November 7th, 2021 01:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by Redglyph (Post 1061662106)
No idea. It seems the right number changes sometimes too, in combat.

Well, yeah. There wouldn't always be a 66% chance of success…

JDR13 November 7th, 2021 05:16

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Originally Posted by Redglyph (Post 1061662148)
Were you tempted by the game after playing the demo?

Yeah, I'll definitely pick up the full game when I'm in the mood for something like that. I've been craving more action-oriented stuff lately.

Pladio November 7th, 2021 10:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by Redglyph (Post 1061662040)
Does anyone knows how Vagrus shows the check results? For example it says "test fail (80 to 66)", which is obscure to me. What do those values represent? Does it mean it had 80 / (80 + 66) chances of success? or of failure?

EDIT: the same check that succeeded shows "test success (17 to 66)"… it's even weirder. So the first value seems to change, maybe it's the random value, but it fails when it's larger than the 2nd one, and succeeds when it's lower. Maybe random values are 0-100 and must be lower than the 2nd value to succeed?

In other games I've seen this it's the check is the second number and you need to be below it to succeed.

So a 30 means 25/30 succeeds. Essentially saying you have a 30 percent success chance.

The reason they show it this way is to keep the success chance showing.

If they did it the other way people would wonder why 30 is actually a 70 percent success chance.

Redglyph November 7th, 2021 11:21

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Originally Posted by JFarrell71 (Post 1061662152)
Well, yeah. There wouldn't always be a 66% chance of success€

I mean, sometimes it tells it's a critical with the right number at zero, which seems reversed. Or this value changes for similar actions but you're right, it could change because of parameters I don't see.

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Originally Posted by Pladio (Post 1061662165)
In other games I've seen this it's the check is the second number and you need to be below it to succeed.

So a 30 means 25/30 succeeds. Essentially saying you have a 30 percent success chance.

The reason they show it this way is to keep the success chance showing.

If they did it the other way people would wonder why 30 is actually a 70 percent success chance.

Well, the 3 of us seem to have the same conclusion, except I wasn't sure at all when I saw those results. Thanks for confirming! :)

Now I just have to understand where those values are coming from. The game doesn't seem too fixated on numbers for the rules, like a D&D or Pathfinder. Or D:OS, or for that matter PoE, and so on. Some tests just say "you have a good chance of success" and that's it, no need for those numbers all the time. I suppose it's the spirit anyway, but it's strange when on the other way there's a trading system, stock of food and wages to manage.

Wisdom November 7th, 2021 16:56

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Originally Posted by Pladio (Post 1061662165)

So a 30 means 25/30 succeeds. Essentially saying you have a 30 percent success chance.

25/30 isn't that 83% success?

Redglyph November 7th, 2021 17:36

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Originally Posted by Wisdom (Post 1061662198)
25/30 isn't that 83% success?

The first number is the dice roll :)

Sztaszov November 7th, 2021 21:02

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Originally Posted by Redglyph (Post 1061661939)
https://i.ibb.co/16GgLGp/image.png
He's just joking, right? :lol:

Haha. That was a joke, of course, building on the meme going around with Chris Pratt voicing every single game on the planet..twice. :D

We do not think a full voice-over would fit Vagrus well, not that it was ever even a remote possibility. With the 1 million+ word count it would probably cost 3-4 times the complete budget of the game. :D

If we ever got to record voices for the characters, that would be for the companion combat. Grunts, groans, and perhaps a bit of combat banter. Even the chances of that are slim given the cost vs available budget.

Hope this explains, thanks, cheers!


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