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purpleblob October 1st, 2019 07:13

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Originally Posted by Zloth (Post 1061582591)
Temple of the place where your rival has gone - I forget the name. He brought along a rogue, a fighter, an archer, and some sort of mage. I could barely hit any of them, unfortunately, and impaled myself on them a few times. It worked out much better when I came back with a couple of characters a level higher and a 5th character to help out.

I got the berries I needed in the cave (well, after a re-load - I got unlucky the first time) but I tried going deeper. That's when I found out what those fire potions were for. Pity I had used all but two thinking they were supposed to be for the big spiders. Oh well, I'll go back in later.

EDIT: When the stat reduction says "permanent" it means there's no set duration, not that the stat reduction is permanent and can't be removed.

I tried Treat Affliction and it didn't appear to do anything. I don't think Lesser Restoration does much against permanent stat loss, either. What's worse is that Amiri was the only one that was losing strength. I think she was down to 6 when I left!

Back in the tutorial it's your character (I've got a halfling), Linzi the halfling, and the rival illusionist gnome. Nobody could do melee until I met the elf!

Difficulty level is Challenging.

Ah, the ancient tomb. Did you persuade one of the two companions to join your party?

Treat affliction:

https://pathfinderkingmaker.gamepedi…eat_Affliction

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To treat an affliction means to tend to a single disease or poisoned character. Make a Lore (Religion) check. If your check exceeds the DC of the affliction, the affliction is removed. You can treat each character only once per day.
So worth a try until you get lesser restoration (let your cleric or whoever's got high religion check to cast/use it).

https://pathfinderkingmaker.gamepedi…ration,_Lesser

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Lesser restoration dispels any temporary magical effects reducing one of the subject's ability scores (it does not remove permanent effects such as curses or diseases) or cures 1d4 points of temporary ability damage to one of the subject's ability scores. It also eliminates any fatigue suffered by the character. It does not restore permanent ability drain.
Unless different game difficulty changes how the poison works, stat reductions (str, dex, con) due to poison should not be permanent and can be removed by lesser restoration?

Put a mouse cursor on strength damage icon (red hexagon) on the portrait and see if the description says it can be treated with lesser restoration.

EDIT: Ok, for some reason, my earlier edit didn't come through?

When the stat reduction shows "permanent", it means there is no set duration for this, doesn't mean the stat damage is permanent in a sense it can't be removed.

Zloth October 2nd, 2019 02:54

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Originally Posted by purpleblob (Post 1061582592)
Ah, the ancient tomb. Did you persuade one of the two companions to join your party?

Yep. I've got plenty of diplomacy. Whomever I convinced got killed pretty fast, though. (Maybe they are still level 1 until they join your party proper?)
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When the stat reduction shows "permanent", it means there is no set duration for this, doesn't mean the stat damage is permanent in a sense it can't be removed.
Well it can definitely be removed by sleeping! At the time, that was my only option. I had no cleric and no source of cleric scrolls so it's either sleep it off or just live with it.

I loaded an old save and tried to do Treat Affliction. Nothing happened. It didn't even roll for anything. What it did do was mark the character as having been treated with a 24 hour countdown, though.

Now that I look at it, the Restoration spell verbiage is a bit weird. The first paragraph says it's just like Lesser Restoration except it also restores lost levels. The third paragraph then describes the Lesser Restoration spell. However, between the two, there's a paragraph that seems to be just about the Restoration spell where it talks about restoring permanent stat damage. But if that's different than Lessor Restoration then the first paragraph isn't correct! Arg!!

P.S. Fighter women, PLEASE STOP DRINKING! That sound is really getting under my skin. I'm trying to figure out stats or read spells and… SSSSLLLUUUURRRP GLUB GLUB GLUB

purpleblob October 2nd, 2019 04:25

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Originally Posted by Zloth (Post 1061582685)
I loaded an old save and tried to do Treat Affliction. Nothing happened. It didn't even roll for anything. What it did do was mark the character as having been treated with a 24 hour countdown, though.

Yes, I'm not sure why it doesn't show roll info on treat affliction but from my knowledge it works as intended - I've removed the stat reduction with a message saying DC save successful on a few occassions.

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Now that I look at it, the Restoration spell verbiage is a bit weird. The first paragraph says it's just like Lesser Restoration except it also restores lost levels. The third paragraph then describes the Lesser Restoration spell. However, between the two, there's a paragraph that seems to be just about the Restoration spell where it talks about restoring permanent stat damage. But if that's different than Lessor Restoration then the first paragraph isn't correct! Arg!!
IIRC:

Restoration is (obviously) a better version of lesser restoration - it removes stat reductions (which is what lesser version does - but can restore more effectively i.e. it can restore multiple stat damages at once) + temporary level drains + requires 2 diamond dust.

Greater restoration practically does what restoration does but better - it can also remove permanent level drains but it requires 10 diamond dusts. It also removes fatigue and exhaustion, insanity, confusion, and similar mental effects.

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P.S. Fighter women, PLEASE STOP DRINKING! That sound is really getting under my skin. I'm trying to figure out stats or read spells and… SSSSLLLUUUURRRP GLUB GLUB GLUB
??? What drinking sound??

purpleblob October 2nd, 2019 04:41

Descriptions from the game:



So it's like saying:

Restoration - works like lesser restoration + extra features relevant to restoration
Greater restoration - works like lesser restoration + extra features relevant to greater restoration

Corwin October 2nd, 2019 23:29

I remember wondering why restoration didn't seem to work for me until I realised that I needed diamond dust and didn't have any!! That wasn't obvious and could be Zloth's problem. :)

you October 2nd, 2019 23:59

Yea I remember when i ran into that issue was really annoying hte first time - as i had not realized that spells required gems (components?) to cast. I mean after the fact it sort of make sense but no other game I had played had htis requirement.
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Oh well somewhere in chapter 2 - really should get back to the game - the journal should have a summary but i don't think it has but i think i remember most of the major details.

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Originally Posted by Corwin (Post 1061582740)
I remember wondering why restoration didn't seem to work for me until I realised that I needed diamond dust and didn't have any!! That wasn't obvious and could be Zloth's problem. :)


purpleblob October 3rd, 2019 00:48

I don't think Zloth is high enough level to learn Restoration yet. The spell description shows you need 2 diamond dust for the Restoration though. I also mentioned in my review that some spells require reagents like diamond dust! :P

Zloth October 3rd, 2019 04:32

Material components? Don't see that much in video games. But yeah, Purpleblob is right, I'm nowhere near high enough level yet. I just got access to Lesser Restoration!

Corwin October 4th, 2019 00:26

DDO requires material components for some spells and if I remember correctly, Some of the early M&M games used gems too for some spells!! :)

Carnifex October 4th, 2019 16:23

Thanks Corwin for the M&M shout-out, now I might have to fire up that third game again, it's been quite a while.

Zloth October 5th, 2019 17:53

Could somebody give me a quick run-down on death/unconsciousness?

(In game, I mean. I didn't just miss-post a Religion/Ethics question. ;)

By that I mean just how the various states work. If a character goes to 0 HP then s/he falls down but can still be healed. At -10 or so, the portrait goes grey and heals won't help. It's even possible for them to outright…. OH!!! It was Lizi that did that! I forgot she teleports away just before dying.

Anyway, I take it that greyed out is dead so you'll need a Raise Dead or some such to fix the character? Can the unconscious characters be healed by simply resting?

P.S. Just got my barony. Those louts better not have hurt the owl bear!

purpleblob October 6th, 2019 00:14

If the portrait is still coloured you can heal them, grey means they are dead and need to be raised from death.

Linzi has a ring that teleports her to safety (the capital) when she dies - if you talked to her, she would have told you about the ring (you can't remove this ring from her, like Amiri's ginomous sword).

Zloth October 6th, 2019 01:02

She did, I just forgot. I started thinking there was an "unconscious", a "dead", and a "destroyed" state! Now another guy has mentioned he has this power, too.

Zloth October 25th, 2019 04:01

Still plugging away. I think I understand most of the game now and battles have gotten far easier to manage.

Is it my imagination or does the game make you roll 1's and 2's when you try to save scu… <ahem> when your machine just so happens to crash after failing a skill check, like opening a chest?

bjon045 October 28th, 2019 05:48

Hey I got a question, I haven't played since beta/first release and now I am about to start a full run with all the DLC.

In regards to how to optimise/get the full experience - do I run Varnhold before even starting or do I play it at a certain point in the main campaign? How does it work? Does a Varnhold save get "imported" in a main campaign?

And does the endless dungeon just have a natural start point or is it something I need to seek out once I am high enough level?

No spoilers please.

purpleblob October 28th, 2019 08:48

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Originally Posted by bjon045 (Post 1061585082)
In regards to how to optimise/get the full experience - do I run Varnhold before even starting or do I play it at a certain point in the main campaign? How does it work? Does a Varnhold save get "imported" in a main campaign?

Varnhold's Lot has two components - 1. Stand alone portion 2. The main game portion which you can access by importing the final DLC save. The best time to play the DLC stand alone portion is when you finish the "Varnhold Vanishing" chapter in the main game - then import the DLC save into the main game (you will get a prompt upon loading the main game save providing 1. You finished Varnhold Vanishing in the main game, 2. You have finished the DLC)

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And does the endless dungeon just have a natural start point or is it something I need to seek out once I am high enough level?
You can play endless dungeon DLC as a stand alone or in the main camapign - these work quite differently. In the main camapign, the dungeon isn't endless - there are only 16 levels before you face the final boss. The dungeon will open up progressly as you play - 4 levels open up in chapter 2, another 4 levels will open up in next chapter etc.

bjon045 October 28th, 2019 11:22

Thanks heaps. I understand how it works now.

bjon045 October 31st, 2019 07:01

Hey purple,

One more question!! What time mechanics do I specifically have to be aware of? For instance in the first act do I have to rush or can I spend as long as I want? I know there are timers on specific kingdom events and certain quests have timers but if I am just exploring in general (act one) can I go as slow as I want?

If you have a low spoiler summary of the key timing related things I need to be aware of it would be much appreciated.

purpleblob October 31st, 2019 21:18

@bjon045

There's timer for every major quest including companion quests - some hidden, some not. So I'd say address any major quests asap - they usually indicate it either via journal log or dialogue (e.g. one of your companion's gone missing!!! etc). The ancient curses in particular need to be addressed promptly or you take hit to your kingdom (from second chapter) which could lead to game over (when your kingdom reach crumbled state). The game will warn you 2 weeks before the ancient curse hits you via kingdom management system so keep an eye on it.

In the first chapter, you get 3 months(?) in game time to address the main quest which is very linient. Make sure you don't hand in the main quest to Jamandi straight away cause that ends the chapter 1, use all available time to explore (but start travelling back to Oleg's 2-3days before the timer expires since travel can take a while). Only the small portion of the world map is available in 1st chapter.

From the second chapter, I recommend that you venture around the region where your quests takes you to - don't go too further than that or you won't be able to come back to your capital in time when you need to. Build teleportation circles/mage towers asap so you can teleport between your settlements for fast travel.

I'm in a bit of rush atm so I will add more detail later.

bjon045 November 1st, 2019 06:47

Thanks heaps, that clarifies a lot. I'm only planning on doing one complete full playthrough so I want to ideally avoid the main frustration points.

I've actually put quite a bit of time into the game already (probably 100ish hours) but that was pretty much all from a testing perspective during the beta so I don't have much knowledge of the wider systems and the complete game. It's nice to just sit back and enjoy the complete game with all the DLC though. It's certainly a gem.

Zloth November 3rd, 2019 01:15

It's definitely a gem. I just noticed the new rug in the tavern, which was particularly awesome.

Be very careful with the Charge attack. If you're charging a group of enemies and you've already got some friendlies engaging it, your character will run around, looking for an opening to get close enough to swing. That pathing code is NOT GOOD! Your character can and will run around in circles to try and get that swing. Normally it just looks silly but, if there's another enemy close by and your character runs by that enemy… WHACK! Opportunity attack! (Val can take it but poor Nok Nok…)

Another tip: opening chests and disarming traps, at least in the first few chapters, is a big source of XP and goes only to the character that does it. Look at them as if they are treasure and try to give that xp to characters you expect to use a lot.

I'm really eager for teleport circles but those divinity and arcane points are not easy to come by.

purpleblob November 3rd, 2019 06:29

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Originally Posted by Zloth (Post 1061585612)
It's definitely a gem. I just noticed the new rug in the tavern, which was particularly awesome.

I love that new rug too!! :D

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I'm really eager for teleport circles but those divinity and arcane points are not easy to come by.
Did you unlock arcane advisor position yet? It will open up the position once you reach Divine rank 3 + 60 points. It should be easier to gain arcane ranks then since you gain points by assigning advisors to problems and opportunities.

Zloth November 3rd, 2019 16:57

I think I'm actually in the upper 20's for both arcane AND divine! My high priest is always on a 60 day research project into some curse or other when the problems/opportunities show up. Maybe I'm doing too many of those things.

purpleblob November 3rd, 2019 21:03

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Originally Posted by Zloth (Post 1061585637)
I think I'm actually in the upper 20's for both arcane AND divine! My high priest is always on a 60 day research project into some curse or other when the problems/opportunities show up. Maybe I'm doing too many of those things.

You don't have to research curses unless you want to go for the "true" ending which is really tough to get especially in first playthrough.

azarhal November 29th, 2019 20:26

So how is the game now? I still haven't restarted it since I stopped playing because of all the patching like two weeks after it launched.

And I kinda forgot about it once I moved to other games (kinda because I never uninstalled it) until I saw the news about their announcement of announcement for their (Owlcat) next game.

Now, I'm kinda in the green pit of Stardew Valley addiction, but I might jump back into Kingmaker once I get bored of being a farmer.

wolfgrimdark November 30th, 2019 00:16

FYI not sure if this bug is old news (was posted 11/5) and maybe they fixed it. Has to do with respeccing in last chapter can cause a problem:

Spoiler

purpleblob November 30th, 2019 00:49

@azarhal Kingmaker is in excellent condition - the steam recent review is now "very positive" :) I'd say you jump into it now. I think I'm going to tag out Kingmaker with Stardew now since tons of new contents are added!

@wolfgrimdark - from my knowledge that bug with respec should be resolved now.

azarhal November 30th, 2019 03:05

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Originally Posted by purpleblob (Post 1061588313)
@azarhal Kingmaker is in excellent condition - the steam recent review is now "very positive" :) I'd say you jump into it now. I think I'm tagging out Kingmaker with Stardew now since tons of new contents are added!

I actually got a "party based RPG" burn out this summer followed by a general gaming burn out (I found all my games boring). That is until Stardew, which I only reinstalled after reading 1.4 was releasing soon about 2-3 weeks ago on a whim.

I'm not sure I'm cured of the burn out yet, but Stardew is relaxing to play and I got easy goals right now (get married, finish community center). Kingmaker basically gives me anxiety just thinking about what class to play and the kingdom management.

Zloth November 30th, 2019 18:03

Getting married is a goal, and an easy one as well!? Madness!

azarhal December 2nd, 2019 15:17

Anyone tried the Kineticist class? How is it? (I own all the DLCs).

I was interested in the Scaled Fist back at released, but skipped it because the Charisma to AC was bugged and it is a bit unclear if it was fixed or not. People claim it's just a visual bug now, but don't seems to be 100% sure.

At this point, I might just go with my normal "go to class" aka the Paladin, but I tend to prefer chaotic good alignment. I wish this was D&D 5e, I could pay an actual chaotic good Paladin.

Or retry my original Inquisitor from back at launch (I suspect I lost all my Kingmaker saves when my HD crashed in September, I didn't check if I did).

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Originally Posted by Zloth (Post 1061588368)
Getting married is a goal, and an easy one as well!? Madness!

It's easier to get married in Stardew Valley than finding a prismatic shard or dinosaur egg….or reach floor 100 in the Skull cave without cheating with self-made stairs (which requires doing all 120 levels in the mine first to get the key to open it).

purpleblob December 2nd, 2019 17:42

Kineticist is a bit like warlock in NWN2. I found it fun enough - mixing elements to get different blast attacks is cool. The class itself is quite OP in general.

Personally, I liked coming up with my own build than playing Kineticist NPC. Some say Kineticist Knight is gimped but I had fun with my build, didn't struggle on normal.

azarhal December 2nd, 2019 19:35

I saw the comments about the class getting OP at level 13 on Reddit after I asked about it here. I might have to look at it, once I dare open Kingmaker character creator…

wolfgrimdark December 8th, 2019 05:04

All the Pathfinder gaming news has me wanting to do a fresh play through. I started my Tiefling then ended up getting sucked back into Skyrim after making my own Tiefling race there … then FO4 … then Greedfall and later Outer Worlds and another play through of MEA.

But excited about the possible chance of an epic Tiefling rogue like character. Plus I never did get a chance to do the DLC as I got my new PC and didn't install any of my finished games besides my Beth staples :P

So its almost installed now and going to spend some time building my Tiefling. I suppose I should get a bit more familiar with the Mythic AP rules as well.

azarhal December 9th, 2019 19:57

I started playing with an hospitaler and reached the start of Act II, but I'm starting to think that I should restart.

I sold some of the ancient coins that I should have kept because you get a better price for them once you get the Kingdom.

I ended up murdering the entire mites and kobolds and I kinda feel bad despite the fact that they are both lawful evil and my Paladin should feel righteous about destroying them.

I realized that I should have continued to explore the map available after killing the Stag Lord because I had almost two full month left on the counter and that's less stuff I would have to explore once I get the Kingdom and get even more time constrained.

Zloth December 10th, 2019 03:21

You definitely don't have to worry about the coins. There's TONS of stuff like that - a few on every map, I think.

Time constraints in the kingdom aren't that big of a deal. Remember you can manage your kingdom remotely from anywhere inside the kingdom. You can't talk to people who come to see you, of course, but they seem to be happy to wait quite a while.

azarhal December 10th, 2019 15:59

I also wanted to romance Valerie and that was kinda impossible with a female character.

I also toyed with the idea of making an Inquisitor instead of a Paladin, but I went back to the pally.

I spent ~2 hours in character creation last night…again.

wolfgrimdark December 13th, 2019 19:28

@purpleblob - Question on the Varnhold DLC. When is the best time to do that DLC? Before starting the main or at some point during the main?

I saw you can import your character - but I assume your character (story wise) is not the same one that also does the Stolen Kingdoms .. or is it?

Drithius December 13th, 2019 19:56

The varnhold dungeon gets opened up gradually as you progress through the chapters of the main story. Go whenever you find the time amidst kingdom management - you won't be allowed further than appropriate for that point in the story.

Couchpotato December 13th, 2019 20:14

It gets confusing how that dlc works but I find it's better to play the Stag Lord prologue then load up the Varnhold DLC. As you import the save state changes into the campaign.

purpleblob December 14th, 2019 01:00

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Originally Posted by wolfgrimdark (Post 1061589866)
@purpleblob - Question on the Varnhold DLC. When is the best time to do that DLC? Before starting the main or at some point during the main?

I saw you can import your character - but I assume your character (story wise) is not the same one that also does the Stolen Kingdoms .. or is it?

Varnhold's Lot DLC is best to be played right after you finish the Varnhold Vanishing in the main campaign.

You don't get to import your Varnhold DLC main character (General of Varnhold) just the final save where you make a choice from the 1 of 4 options presented to you. Your General may or may not show up in the main campaign depending on your choice.

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Originally Posted by Drithius (Post 1061589871)
The varnhold dungeon gets opened up gradually as you progress through the chapters of the main story. Go whenever you find the time amidst kingdom management - you won't be allowed further than appropriate for that point in the story.

I think you are confusing Varnhold's Lot (DLC 2) with Beneath the Stolen Lands (DLC 3 - endless dungeon). Its DLC 3 that opens up gradually in the main campaign as you progress the story.


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