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Fnord September 15th, 2011 13:57

What is the most obscure games you own?
Deo Gratias, a god sim by Cryo (a company known for creating sub-par AGs). This game is so rare these days that even finding a screenshot of it is hard. Sadly it is not worth much, due to its poor quality. It has a very long unskippable intro, confusing controls, no real goal, poorly explained concepts nothing really seemed to work in it. I quickly gave up on it, in part due to the fact that the intro was over 5min, and unskippable.

SL the game (sorry, can't even find an image of this online)
Ever wanted to take care of public transportation in Stockholm? Well, this game will let you do that. It was not a horrible public transportation simulator, but it was not great either. You could buy & sell busses, set up buss/train/boat lines in and around Stockholm, and your goal was to make money. The game actually let you destroy buildings, with no negative consequences (as far as I could tell) (there were exceptions, if you decided to destroy an important landmark, then the game would give you a game over screen).

Spellcross. This game is just okay. It is a turnbased strategy game with okay graphics, okay AI, okay gameplay, and okay units. The game was not bad, but not good either. And this is also a game that I never have heard anyone even mention. The only novel part of this game was the enemies. You played as modern humans and had to fight evil fantasy creatures (undead, orcs and such)

Drakar och Demoner: Själarnas Brunn (Dragonfire: The Well of Souls) was an attempt to make a CRPG out of one of Sweden's most beloved pen & paper RPGs. If you roleplayed in Sweden during the 80s & 90s, then you came into contact with Drakar & demoner, it was nearly impossible not to. This is a rather average game, really. The graphics were slightly sub-par for its time, the voice acting was…Swedish (and that is not really a good thing, Swedish voice actors tends to sound like they are forcing the words out of their mouths. Swedish actors also tends to do this when they want to sound dramatic in live action movies). The first screenshot is from the chracter selection menu, while the second one is in game.
The characters are: Some girl with average stats, leaning towards dexterity, some guy with average stats leaning towards strength, a duck (every fantasy setting needs a race of its own, something that makes it special… and in Drakar & demoner this was ducks), with slow strength and high dexterity, and a half orc with low dexterity but high strength. Almost everyone who played this game picked the duck, because its a duck (and no other reason). Combat is simplistic, and rather slow paces, but it is not horrible. Overall, it is a nice historical curiosity, one that for some strange reason was translated to several languages (and sold poorly everywhere).
The company that made this game (Target interactive) later changed its name, and started to produce some of the most complex grand scale strategy on the market, namely Europa Universalis and all the other EU-like games.

For those interested, Drakar & demoner (fantasy) and Mutant (post apocalyptic sci-fi with a slightly humorous twist) are two of Swedens most beloved RPGs of all time. But only Swedes seem to even be aware of these games. Target Games (former Äventyrsspel, the company behind them) decided to aim for a larger market, and created Mutant Chronicles and Drakar & Demoner Cronopia, two games that were almost universally hated in Sweden. Interestingly enough they were well received in USA, and even though Target Games has long since shut its doors, Mutant Chronicles lives on in USA.

Mr. Gimmick is an interesting NES game. It had the most advanced sound chip of any NES game ever to be (officially) released (I don't know if any home brew had a more advanced sound chip, but I would suspect that none does), so the sound is incredible for an 8bit system, the graphics and animations are also top of the line, and the levels are challenging and well crafted. So why has most people not heard about this game? Because it was only released in Japan & Scandinavia, and and the very end of the NES's lifespan. Very few copies were actually made, and I guess it was considered to expensive to manufacture, due to the sound chip. A working copy can set you back ~200€ these days.

Alrik Fassbauer September 15th, 2011 14:26

Mine are probably :

- Leviathan - The Tone Rebellion. Still haven't played it (shame on me).

- Twipsy - the official game of the world Expo 2000 in Hannover, Germany. Hven't played it, too. Twipsy was the official mascot. http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twipsy

- Humans III : Evolution - Lost In Time for PC (this is said to be quite bad, but I have started it only once, so I don't know. On the positiv side, the game's CD has audio tracks, yay !) Gamespot doesn't like it at all : http://www.gamespot.com/pc/puzzle/hu…ime/index.html
Interestingly, recently there has been a reboot of the "Humans" franchise : http://www.gamespot.com/pc/puzzle/thehumans/index.html

- "Captain Gysi und das Raumschiff Bonn"
- "Captain Gysi 2 : Galaxis Futura"

Both are games of a genre that doesn't exist : Political satire games. Really, no joking ! The game takes place within a starship, the so-called "Galaxis Futura". The "Captain Gysi" (Gysi is is real-life name !) was the major head of a left-wing German party, the PDS, which was some kind of successor of the GDR's only party, the SED. Later, this party has fused with another one to become a new party called "Die Links" ("The Left One"), which is in trouble right now mainly because of its inept heads.

In these games, major politicians of the time around the turn of the millennium are ridiculed, and "Captain Gysi" is the only one who can resolve all of this chaos the other politicians have made.

Other obscure games I have are "advertisement games", often adventure games (but not always), which are … well, kind of advertisements. Some are done in a reall good way : The first Kellogg's game was a jump & run game, and it had won a few prices, then, bcause it was reall excellent, from a technical point of view.
You can donload it here (it is reall one of the best jumop & run games I've ever played !) : http://werbespiel.blogspot.com/2010/…oggs-land.html - but the game is in German language, though.

Frozen Fireball September 15th, 2011 20:27

The only obscure game in my collection that I currently remember is Ascension to the throne which IMO, unlike most of the obscure games, is great. It's a semi open-world RPG ( similar to Gothic somehow in terms of overall feeling of exploration) with the turn-based combat system similar to heroes of might & magic series. It was a very addicting game and although I played it around 4 years ago, but I still remember it quite well.
Although it had some drawbacks like lack of any kind of voice acting, bugs and balancing problems and also one of the most meaningless and disappointing endings I have ever seen, but it was a game that quite held my attention while it lasted.



JemyM September 15th, 2011 20:39

I own Oblivion.

Yea, I know…

bkrueger September 15th, 2011 20:45


Originally Posted by JemyM (Post 1061092504)
I own Oblivion.

Yea, I know…

I own Dungeon Lords…

For Alrik:
I own "Der Schatz im Silbersee", an adventure based on Karl May, on 3,5 inch high density floppy discs… (never played through it though).

Motoki September 15th, 2011 21:08

Offhand I would say maybe Winter Voices, but I've got to have something more obscure than that in the physical realm collecting dust somewhere.

While I was reading about Ascension to the Throne I thought 'Oh that sounds good, I should try to find that game' then I realized it was part of the 1C RPG pack I bought from Gamersgate a while back and I already own it. This is what being a digital download whore gets you, can't even keep track of your own games. :p

And I still want that damned duck RPG! I have looked and looked through official and unofficial channels and I can't find it anywhere. Paradox should put it up for digital download. Price it cheap enough and somebody will buy it (me!). Hell, there are old Genesis games selling on Steam and Gamersgate so there's a market.

Alrik Fassbauer September 15th, 2011 22:55


Originally Posted by bkrueger (Post 1061092505)
For Alrik:
I own "Der Schatz im Silbersee", an adventure based on Karl May, on 3,5 inch high density floppy discs… (never played through it though).

I have it as well. I even installed it on DOSBOX last year, but I never came past the first "riddle" (there's a bear one must calm down or so).

And I agree : This is somewhat obscure as well.

Another rather obscure game I have is the "Höhlenwelt Saga" card game for the PC.

I actually know only very little about it.

The "Höhlenwelt" is a fantasy setting which was developed by the German fanatsy author Harald Evers.

For it, he also made an adventure game, this one :

Unfortunately he died suddenly not too long after completion of this game, and nowadays I cannot find a way to get the patches and the cards that were seemingly once put online for fans (the extra cards could be somehow integrated into the main game).

His family was - according to forum entries - within a religious sect, so they didn't like his work as an author at all. All signs of adoration b the fans at the grave were destroyed by the family - save for the son, maybe, with whom he developed the game.

You can download the demo of the unfortunately German-only game here : http://www.hoehlenwelt-game.de/

The game as such can still be bought (I bought mine via ebay).

The card game is also known under the name of "Trivocum", I think. This is a term from the setting itself.

Edit : This is the only forum I know about the Höhlenwelt games : http://www.subcultur.de/forum/index.php

Fnord September 15th, 2011 23:05

I also have two odd advertisement games. Pickup express 2 is a game where you pick up goods and then deliver it to another location. Several different brands are represented in the game, and it is horrible. Poor driving controls and the gameplay is incredibly repetitive. It did remind me a bit of Streets of sim city minus the guns (i.e. it was just as horrible, with just as many bugs and poor controls).

And then there was a floorball game that was meant to advertise a type of squash (as in a type of drink) called Mer. I hate floorball (which is a relatively popular sport here in Sweden) so the game did not appeal to me at all.

The Duck RPG is just not worth the effort, believe me. There are many better CRPGs out there.
I suspect that there might be licencing issues involved that prohibits Paradox from doing anything with the game. That or they just don't want to soil their good name.

Ascension to the throne looks quite interesting, I'll have to check it out. I would like to point out that one of my games in the original post is great though. Mr. Gimmick is a 2d platformer that is able to challenge the giants of the genre!

Alrik Fassbauer September 15th, 2011 23:32

Can you send me these advertisement games ? Or are they too big for that ?

Fnord September 16th, 2011 00:20

I can't seem to find the discs (they are probably stashed somewhere in a bag together with the other games that I own and never expect to play again), though I found the games online.

Pickup express
Mer innebandy (the floorball game)
Do note that both of these games are in Swedish.

Jaz September 16th, 2011 00:26

I'm a typical, average, generic gamer, liking nearly all the games I own (and I own many), so most of what I have is mass compatible, more or less. Everybody and his brother have played Catacomb 3D and its successors, I guess, but there are other, less known games I own - like, for example …

Depth Dwellers
(anaglyphic 3D shooter, 1994) - they meant well. Well.
Nitemare 3D (shooter, 1994) - hilarious in a way some little brothers are.
Ken's Labyrinth (shooter, 1993) - ditto. An aspiring, talented programmer and a totally untalented (yet well-intentioned) graphics artist sometimes create surprisingly entertaining games.
In Extremis (shooter, 1993) - nice atmosphere. Sloppy execution.
Cyclones (shooter, 1994) - like Strife, this one's astonishingly complex, just more underdog-gy.
Angst - Rahz' Revenge (shooter, 1996) - not just a turd: THE turd. I'd happily vote for this steaming pile of crap if there was a 'worst game ever' vote.
Mortail Coil (tactical shooter, 1995) - many great ideas, countless crippling bugs. Plus the worst translation ever - even installing was a challenge.
Wetlands (rail shooter, 1995) - great atmosphere, insane difficulty.

Now guess my favorite game genre ^^.

bkrueger September 16th, 2011 00:59


Originally Posted by Jaz (Post 1061092559)

Depth Dwellers
(anaglyphic 3D shooter, 1994) - they meant well. Well.

The 3D glasses packaged with that game lie right before me on my desk….

Originally Posted by Jaz (Post 1061092559)
Now guess my favorite game genre ^^.

Text adventures? :S

Fnord September 16th, 2011 01:08

Space crusade. This was the first computer game based on the famous Warhammer 40k licence, and a title that not a lot of people seem to be aware of. This particular game was based on the childrens board game Space Crusade, which can be seen as the 40k counterpart to HeroQuest (which was set in the warhammer fantasy world). Unlike HeroQuest you had a team of 5 space marines per "good guy" player, but only one of these were actually useful (the commander), the rest were just too easy to kill. The PC port of the board game was quite faithful, and much like the board game the greatest joy in the PC game was to shoot your friends in the back (the game itself was not very good, and when you get bored you tend to do stupid things). A rather forgettable game that might be of interest to those who played the board game when they were young. Then again, both Space Crusade and HeroQuest are best left as fond memories, these games were meant for children and lack any real depth or complexity.

Stratosphere. You build a flying fortress out of different parts, and then you fly around and shoot other flying fortresses. An interesting concept that sadly ended up in a rather lackluster game.

Limbo of the lost. This game would have been doomed to total obscurity if it was not for one tiny detail: The devs stole all their backgrounds from other games! What you are looking at is a screenshot from Limbo of the lost. But what game did they steal that background from? (Oblivion)
They managed to steal background from Oblivion, Thief 3, Unreal tournament 2003 and plenty of other famous games, and somehow they thought they would get away with it. Many other things, like sound clips and even the intro sequence were stolen from other sources. The game itself is an adventure game with stupid puzzles (no real logic in many of them), horribly slow character movement and too many design flaws in general to make it worth playing. I only bought it because of its interesting history.

Svea Rike 3. Another old Paradox title, this one was released just before Europa Universalis. The game plays a lot like a simplified version of Europa Universalis, and your goal here is to take over the Nordic countries. They made another game 4 years later based on the same engine, which had the very same unit sprites, buildings and, well everything, except for the map, called Two Thrones (which I also own). This game was actually marketed as a childrens game, and while it is easier to get into than Europa Universalis, it is still a relatively complex game. The previous Svea Rike titles were based on a popular Swedish board game (named Svea Rike).

JDR13 September 16th, 2011 04:02

Neuro Hunter.


Probably doesn't qualify as "obscure" in Europe, but you would have a hard time finding anyone over here who has ever heard of it. I found out about it through The Watch and imported a copy from the UK.

crpgnut September 16th, 2011 04:31

Hmmm, Aethra Chronicles, Lysandia Phase 1 and Phase 2, War Wizard, Keys to Maramon, Nahlakh, Helherron, etc. I've got all the obscure crpgs from the last few decades :)

crpgnut September 16th, 2011 04:34

@Jaz-can you list me any other good stealth shooters? I enjoyed Deus Ex 1 and 3, so games like them might work. I might have to find Deus Ex 2 and see if it's any good.

Drithius September 16th, 2011 04:56

Of games that I still have a copy, not having long ago thrown out and consider replaying every now and again? Probably:
Heretic Kingdoms: The Inquisition

I'm sure there's more oddball games I've owned in the past but I don't recall them. Plenty of ignored games I've purchased on Steam as well via package deals that could qualify.

Jaz September 16th, 2011 07:35


Originally Posted by bkrueger (Post 1061092572)
Text adventures? :S

Nope, action adventures and other hybrid game types. Actually, most modern day CRPGs would qualify :p.


Originally Posted by crpgnut (Post 1061092604)
@Jaz-can you list me any other good stealth shooters? I enjoyed Deus Ex 1 and 3, so games like them might work. I might have to find Deus Ex 2 and see if it's any good.

As you don't seem to think of the real sneakers like Thief, Hitman, Assassin's Creed etc., I can't think of any game but System Shock 2 right now. By the late nineties I was beyond buying every game that came out, including my once favorite FPS genre. But if you don't mind branching out onto tac shooter territory: there's a definite stealth aspect to most of them - SWAT 3, the Rogue Spear games … especially those.

Tragos September 16th, 2011 11:11





Yep it is Bulgarian RTS

Imperium Galactica




Alrik Fassbauer September 16th, 2011 12:25

I have Tzar, because it once came with a magazine's disc (full game).

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