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Maylander November 26th, 2012 13:19

So.. 2013, the year of RPG drought?
 
I've been having something of a drought recently, and I started thinking: When will it end?

It looks to me like it won't actually end until 2014? What am I missing here? There's been a few exciting Kickstarter RPGs, but most of them will be 2014 releases (realistically, even if some are targeting 2013). Beyond that, the list looks like this:

RPGs in 2013:
- South Park: The Stick of Truth
- Divinity: Original Sin (Edit: Added)


Wow, that's bad. I know DA3 is targeting Q4 2013, but we all know it's getting pushed to March 2014. BioWare loves March.

Is that really it? I must be missing something! I'll go crazy with replays next year otherwise.

joxer November 26th, 2012 14:12

I'd say 2012 is RPG draught year. Singleplayer RPG.

Your list is not full.
Nuclear Union and Wasteland 2 are both set for 2013.

wolfing November 26th, 2012 14:24

A bunch of my kickstarter games should come out in 2013. South Park is doubtful to come out in 2013 (or ever), the company is almost bankrupt.

Pessimeister November 26th, 2012 14:34

I've never experienced an RPG drought in my life, mostly because there's this little thing called the "past" which yields an absolute plethora of untapped treasures which I'm still yet to play.

Nameless one November 26th, 2012 14:37

List of RPGs coming out in 2013(I surely forget some)
Divinity original sin Q1 2013
Wasteland 2 October 2013
Grim dawn summer 2013
Underrail Q3 2013
Eschalon book 3 summer 2013
Shadowrun rerurns Q1 2013
Dead state autumn 2013
Age of decadence
Nuclear union
Space rangers HD Q4 2013

azarhal November 26th, 2012 14:43

Divinity: Original Sin is supposed to release in 2013 (Q3 for sure going by the forum). Dragon Commander is on track for May/June 2013 from the latest news, but it's more of a strategy game than a RPG. Both from Larian.

Elder Scrolls Online and Neverwinter are also supposed to come out in 2013. Both are "MMORPG".

There is also BG2:EE and Chaos Chronicles.

Plus all the Kickstarters that missed their end of year 2012 date and those supposed to release in 2013. I have 2 kickstarters so far that pushed back to 2013.

Maylander November 26th, 2012 14:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by joxer (Post 1061172817)
I'd say 2012 is RPG draught year. Singleplayer RPG.

Your list is not full.
Nuclear Union and Wasteland 2 are both set for 2013.

RPGs of 2012:
- Mass Effect 3
- Risen 2
- Diablo 3 (probably shouldn't count)
- Of Orcs And Men
- Kingdoms of Amalur: Reckoning

Skyrim was released very late in 2011 if I recall correctly, so most were probably playing that in early 2012.

Like I said tho, I am aware that several projects are targeting Q4 2013 (DA3, Wasteland 2 etc), but I would be very surprised if they don't get pushed to Q1 2014. It's rare that an RPG does not get pushed back at least once.

Hmm, I was unaware of Original Sin being released in Q1. I suppose that could turn out interesting. Certainly worth putting on the list!

Edit: One thing that troubles me is the complete lack of upcoming open world RPGs (games like Gothic/Risen, Elder Scrolls and Two Worlds). As far as I know, there's not even an announced one yet, though I assume (hope) both Bethesda and PB are working on one each in secret.

DArtagnan November 26th, 2012 14:58

Some people seem to have enjoyed the Game of Thrones RPG as well.

darkling November 26th, 2012 15:02

Not to mention Torchlight 2, Game of Thrones, Legend of Grimrock, Avernum..

Or the PC JRPG's, crossovers and weird things like the PC Y's remakes, Krater, Dark Souls or Inquisitor.. or the MMO's like Guild Wars 2, The Secret World, and Tera.

ToddMcF2002 November 26th, 2012 15:04

Spiderweb will release another Avernum and Avadon I bet.

darkling November 26th, 2012 15:08

As for open world games, Two Worlds III is in development. While it's not the top tier, it is an open world RPG series. It was slated for this year but there's been no word for a while so I figure it's slipped to next year sometime.

DarNoor November 26th, 2012 15:38

The expansion (larger DLC) will be released for Skyrim in January.

joxer November 26th, 2012 16:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maylander (Post 1061172823)
RPGs of 2012:
- Mass Effect 3
- Risen 2
- Diablo 3 (probably shouldn't count)
- Of Orcs And Men
- Kingdoms of Amalur: Reckoning

Skyrim was released very late in 2011 if I recall correctly, so most were probably playing that in early 2012.

And from those I enjoyed Risen 2 very much even replayed it, ME3 was meh and will probably never replay it, other three I didn't even bother with. I mean… Diablo 3? Hell, what about Torchlight 2? That reminds me, I should probably buy that one in case I get a brain stroke, forget how to read and start enjoying games you don't need any IQ for…
And early 2012, true, I also bugged with Skyrim bugs for a while.

IMO 2012 was a huge singleplayer RPGs draught comparing with plans for 2013. Luckily there were many other or mix genre titles that were fun to play (for example new KB).

P.S. I will buy Amalur bundle today on Amazon since it's cheaper than iPhone junk games. And will hope norespawn mod emerges someday.

jhwisner November 26th, 2012 16:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by wolfing (Post 1061172819)
South Park is doubtful to come out in 2013 (or ever), the company is almost bankrupt.

Just to clarify - they're referring to the publisher (THQ) and not the developer (Obsidian).

Maylander November 26th, 2012 17:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by darkling (Post 1061172833)
As for open world games, Two Worlds III is in development. While it's not the top tier, it is an open world RPG series. It was slated for this year but there's been no word for a while so I figure it's slipped to next year sometime.

Oh, that's good news. I can't remember the Watch covering this at all, is there any info out? I would very much like to read up on it - Two Worlds 2 was a solid, fun experience.

That could salvage 2013, because I still think it looks rather dry to say the least, especially compared to 2012 (already mentioned), 2011 (Skyrim, The Witcher 2, Two Worlds 2, etc) and 2010 (ME2, FO: New Vegas, Alpha Protocol, DA: Awakening, etc).

Two Worlds 3 and Southpark is hardly enough to rival the likes of The Witcher 2, Skyrim and New Vegas, but it doesn't have to turn out as bad as I feared.

Nameless one November 26th, 2012 17:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by wolfing (Post 1061172819)
. South Park is doubtful to come out in 2013 (or ever), the company is almost bankrupt.

I read on RPS not too long ago that THQ got financial boost from source who's name they didn't reveal.So I guess that means they won't go bankrupt but someone will probably pull strings.

jhwisner November 26th, 2012 17:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nameless one (Post 1061172854)
I read on RPS not too long ago that THQ got financial boost from source who's name they didn't reveal.So I guess that means they won't go bankrupt but someone will probably pull strings.

Yeah it seems the investor will be getting a significant enough chunk of things that the company was obligated to warn shareholders that it would significantly dilute existing investments.

http://www.businessweek.com/news/201…-chief-resigns

Deleted User November 26th, 2012 17:31

I imagine some games will be announced early 2013 and have a middle to late 2013 release. I expect to see an RPG or 2 be announced for the Wii U. I hope so anyway, because I do want to buy a Wii U but I need there to be more RPGs for it.

If no games are announced, I still have a backlog of RPGs that I can replay or play for the first time, so I'm not too worried. Seriously, there are so many RPGs released in the past few years, I'm sure there's something you haven't played or beaten. 2013 would be a good time to try and get to those games and beat them or just spend some time with another play-through.

joxer November 26th, 2012 17:58

Don't buy wii U yet, I have some interesting random news to post about it in offtopic section. ;)

Just a sec till I find both links… Man…

[EDIT]
Done:
http://www.rpgwatch.com/forums/showt…post1061172864

Deleted User November 26th, 2012 21:07

I'm not too worried about the CPU. As I said in the other thread, games on the Wii U will have to take advantage of the other powerful aspects of the console. And quite a few developers have already raved about how powerful of a console the Wii U is, so I'm not worried.

I am interested to see some RPGs get announced for the system though. Out of the bunch of games that launched with the system as well as the upcoming games, there is a shortage of RPG titles. I know Monolith Soft is making an RPG for the Wii U, and Mistwalker will probably make something, and another company supposedly is hiring people for a "big budget, medieval fantasy RPG" on the Wii U. But all those could be years away. I just hope something gets announced for 2013 and gives me a real reason to buy the system.

Thrasher November 26th, 2012 21:11

I've got a huge backlog, so no problem. But I'd bet Maylander has zero backlog since he plays them so fast.

Ihaterpg November 26th, 2012 22:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maylander (Post 1061172823)
RPGs of 2012:
- Mass Effect 3
- Risen 2
- Diablo 3 (probably shouldn't count)
- Of Orcs And Men
- Kingdoms of Amalur: Reckoning

Ouch why omit those :
- Borderlands 2 (if you don't count this as RPG then don't count games like Dungeon Master with no stories, here it's few puzzles but quite more story and exploration)
- Legend of Grimrock (for now second best RPG of the year right after Borderlands 2)
- Torchlight 2 (Yes it's RPG and it's much better than Diablo 3)
- Dark Souls: Prepare to Die Edition (not even tried)
- Baldur's Gate - Enhanced Edition (should be released this year, ok a remake)
- King's Bounty : Warriors of the North (ok the series design is too static, it's still a release)
- Dishonored
- Dungeon Lords MMXII (please don't laugh, a remake)
- The Game of Thrones
- Inquisitor
- Avernum: Escape from the pit (yeah yeah a remake)
- Swords and Sorcery : Underworld (not sure for this one)
- Dungeon Gate (not sure for this one)
- Defender's Quest

joxer November 26th, 2012 23:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ihaterpg (Post 1061172912)
Ouch why omit those :

- Dungeon Lords MMXII (please don't laugh, a remake)

Hhahuauauauahuahuaa… Oops…
A remake, yes, but… Did anyone buy it?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ihaterpg (Post 1061172912)

- Torchlight 2 (Yes it's RPG and it's much better than Diablo 3)

I knew something will persuade me to buy that game eventually, and the usual suspect was the beer. I was wrong. If someone with "hate RPG" nick says it's better then D3, I'm willing to take it as a fact. It's now hanging in my Steam collection waiting for the draught to kick in. :)

azraelck November 26th, 2012 23:52

You're all forgetting Grimoire, which will cause all game development companies to shut down, and their collective staffs and management commit suicide out of despair that they will never reach it's grandeur.

*snickers* I almost kept a straight face typing this. Almost.

Maylander November 27th, 2012 01:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thrasher (Post 1061172901)
I've got a huge backlog, so no problem. But I'd bet Maylander has zero backlog since he plays them so fast.

I actually haven't played Kingdoms of Amalur yet, but the demo didn't really grab me. I'll probably give it a go in 2013 though, as my backlog is dry as the desert at the moment.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ihaterpg (Post 1061172912)
Ouch why omit those :
- Lots of titles

I didn't mention every title I could find in 2010, 2011 and 2012. I merely pointed out the biggest ones, as 2013 doesn't seem to have anything near the same scope (except possibly Two Words 3 and South Park, though even they will probably pale in comparison to some of the games mentioned).

Myrkrel November 27th, 2012 01:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pessimeister (Post 1061172820)
I've never experienced an RPG drought in my life, mostly because there's this little thing called the "past" which yields an absolute plethora of untapped treasures which I'm still yet to play.

Same here. With old RPGs I never got around to and newer titles I've still yet to play, along with the constant influx of new indie titles, Kickstarters and the occasional AAA RPG I'll be kept busy for foreseeable future.

I guess having very little free time helps me avoid any drought!

darkling November 27th, 2012 02:54

I am sure we'll see DA3 for next Xmas. As for more info on Two Worlds 3 I'm just going by an announcement they made last year. The company hasn't gone under or anything so I figure it's probable but likely delayed.

Is Spellhold still a company? Is Ravensdale still a go? Arcania wasn't so great, but it sounds like they put aside their pet project to make it in a hurry so I figure it's worth hoping for. Arcania was technically fine.. just ridiculously shallow and half-assed.

I hope South Park vanishes in THQ's imminent demise. I feel bad for THQ, but not for that garbage vanishing into the wasteheap of history.

Deleted User November 27th, 2012 03:52

Rooting for a game's downfall. Cool.

JDR13 November 27th, 2012 03:55

Maylander, have you played Legend of Grimrock yet? If not, you definitely need to imo.

Thrasher November 27th, 2012 03:57

He'd probably finish it in a half hour. ;)

Zloth November 27th, 2012 06:23

Maylander is right, it definitely looks a lot thinner next year than in the past two years. Though the past two years have been mighty awesome so I don't know if this is a drought or if it's just that the flood is ending.

Ah well, maybe I'll finally have time to play Baldur's Gate 2 again. And, once X:Rebirth hits I expect it to chew up several months. Then there's all those 4X strategy games…

My guess is that we'll see a bunch more new RPG IP's popping up once the next console generation comes out.

jhwisner November 27th, 2012 06:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by darkling (Post 1061172964)
I hope South Park vanishes in THQ's imminent demise. I feel bad for THQ, but not for that garbage vanishing into the wasteheap of history.

So you want Obsidian to suffer a huge financial loss just as they'd be freeing up staff to join work on Project Eternity? Celebrating the prospects of people losing their jobs just because the idea of some game you won't play existing offends your sensibilities?

xep624 November 27th, 2012 07:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by jhwisner (Post 1061172848)
Just to clarify - they're referring to the publisher (THQ) and not the developer (Obsidian).


Well, thanks for your post … I was just thinking for a second that maybe there was this huge secret party at Obsidian and they burned through $4 millions just like that and there would be no Project Eternity….

Pessimeister November 27th, 2012 09:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by ToddMcF2002 (Post 1061172831)
Spiderweb will release another Avernum and Avadon I bet.

I'm definitely keen for the remake of Avernum 2; looking forward to that when it's released so that I can chronologically continue the adventure.

darkling November 27th, 2012 09:48

Insane SP fanboys ITT.

Like Obsidian gets paid after a game ships. They don't meet Metacritic #'s and everyone gets fired anyhow. THQ falling apart is meaning some bad things in some places but Obsidian isn't going to take the brunt of it. At best, it'll end up at the bottom of their "Unfinished Licensed Crap" bin with Aliens.

DArtagnan November 27th, 2012 10:23

Don't mention Aliens. I will never get over not getting my serious take on an Aliens RPG…. To make it worse, they go and focus on a shit-tastic cartoon instead. Oh, the pain.

Maylander November 27th, 2012 11:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by JDR13 (Post 1061172970)
Maylander, have you played Legend of Grimrock yet? If not, you definitely need to imo.

Sadly no. I'm not a big fan of dungeon crawling. To me, even MM6 was pushing it in terms of too big dungeons (Tomb of VARN, Castle Darkmoor and a few other massive ones), while MM7 pretty much nailed it. It has good dungeons, but daylight is never too far away.

GhanBuriGhan November 27th, 2012 12:59

Any news or rumours what Piranha Bytes are up to next?

ToddMcF2002 November 27th, 2012 14:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by joxer (Post 1061172917)
Hhahuauauauahuahuaa… Oops…
A remake, yes, but… Did anyone buy it?


I knew something will persuade me to buy that game eventually, and the usual suspect was the beer. I was wrong. If someone with "hate RPG" nick says it's better then D3, I'm willing to take it as a fact. It's now hanging in my Steam collection waiting for the draught to kick in. :)

I just don't get the Torchlight series. I bought the first game but the art style makes me feel like I'm murdering the tourists in Magic Kingdom. I much prefer a more serious setting like Dungeon Seige 3 or Diablo 3.

Maylander November 27th, 2012 16:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by GhanBuriGhan (Post 1061173021)
Any news or rumours what Piranha Bytes are up to next?

None that I know of. This is the kind of information I'm really interested in.


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