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Myrthos March 19th, 2013 12:16

Lords of Xulima - Death in Party Based RPGs
In a blog on the Lords of Xulima website death in party based RPGs is discussed including an explanation on how this is handled in the game.

The group DOES NOT automatically recover at the end of combat.

Every fight counts, every trap activated and every wound inflicted. Actions, of whatever type, should have consequences, good or bad. Every encounter should be engaging and meaningful and require strategy on the part of the player to obtain the best possible outcome.
If ALL characters die, the game is OVER!

This can happen in combat, through traps or if the party decided to try to walk through lava and didn’t make it…
There is no death and resurrection of individual characters

If a character loses all his hit points he remains in a state called “defeated” and his portrait will turn gray. This character can walk and talk, but cannot engage in combat or perform actions such as lock picking or spell casting, until their hit points have been restored to a positive number. The game is novel in this aspect; the characters can have negative hit points (up to their maximum value of hit points). So, it will be more costly to revive seriously damaged characters (it will require more spells, potions or rest).
Defeated characters will suffer penalties

When a character has lost all of their hit points they are then assigned the condition “Fatally Wounded”. Even when they recover their hit points through rest, magic or potions, they will suffer penalties to defense, combat speed, attacks and skill actions. The effects will last until the condition has been cured. To recover from this condition, characters need to rest for an entire day, drink a special potion or be cured by a grand cleric (the cleric may be part of the group or the party can use the services of a temple if they are able to provided sufficient donations)
The Player Decides…

In Lords of Xulima you will frequently have your characters fall defeated in combat or other dangerous situations, but that’s not the end of the game, far from it. The player has many options, like resting in the wilderness (a dangerous risk), seeking refuge in a town, curing party members with spells and potions, or continuing on with the survivors. Each player will be able to develop their own strategy. There may be many situations where characters being defeated is inevitable. You may decide to walk across lava to obtain an ancient artifact, or run through a poisonous cloud to escape a giant serpent, the choice is yours…the only thing truly fatal is losing all of your characters at once.
More information.

Roq March 19th, 2013 12:16

Some interesting and innovative ideas, I reckon, that may make it feasible to play the game straight up, without having to reload every time a character dies. Provided that is they don't make it too onerous to recover from being "Fatally Wounded". Not sure the perma death crowd will like this though.

ChienAboyeur March 19th, 2013 14:43

Features introduced as innovate are not when it comes to gaming in general. They might be in video gaming and yet, I doubt it.

screeg March 19th, 2013 16:38

That started really bold, until he said no one actually dies, ever.

Roq March 19th, 2013 23:11


Originally Posted by screeg (Post 1061188951)
That started really bold, until he said no one actually dies, ever.

Don't see where they say that - if all your characters are defeated you lose the game as normal. RPGs have suffered somewhat in the past in that when a character dies it is so expensive to resurrect them that most people just go back to a saved game. I think it's good to see some devs addressing that issue: Tides has an interesting mechanism in mind too.

Soulman March 20th, 2013 11:22

Betrayal at Krondor had something similar. IIRC, defeated characters restored hit points really slowly until properly healed, which could be achieved by finding an inn and resting there for several days.

Sacred_Path March 20th, 2013 14:59

This game sounds interesting. About the death thing:

Characters who hit 0 health are taken out of the game and acquire a new condition. The character will probably be mostly useless until you cure said condition. So in these regards, it's no different from, say, DnD's death mechanics. Nor is it surprising that expensive items or powerful magic can cure this condition. Probably the only new thing is that "resting for an entire day" can cure this condition. By which I assume that resting for a long time is non-trivial? Maybe because you'll get attacked often?

Interesting, but OTOH never really "dying" even if a mountain collapses on top of you is kind of fishy.

CelticFrost March 21st, 2013 01:52

Looking forward to this game way more than "Shroud of the Avatar" least this game seems to have one direction….

JDR13 March 21st, 2013 02:44


Originally Posted by celticfrost (Post 1061189160)
looking forward to this game way more than "shroud of the avatar".



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