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CelticFrost April 29th, 2015 04:20

Swimming…
 
A 45 second video showing diving into the water and swimming. Well sort of the first 15 seconds shows him being bathed by 3 woman (no idea why).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5xoPTGHRX4

DArtagnan April 29th, 2015 09:58

I know it's the norm for all of these games, but as much as I adore swimming and underwater exploration - it's a bit silly that he swims around in full armor with weapons on his back.

I guess The Witcher has a somewhat more serious tone, making me wish they'd done something like auto-removing that stuff, at least in a visual sense.

JDR13 April 29th, 2015 10:11

It would be a nice touch if he changed or removed his armor to swim, but it's a nitpick at best. I'm just glad that you can actually swim and dive.

GothicGothicness April 29th, 2015 10:34

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Originally Posted by DArtagnan (Post 1061322470)
I know it's the norm for all of these games, but as much as I adore swimming and underwater exploration - it's a bit silly that he swims around in full armor with weapons on his back.

I guess The Witcher has a somewhat more serious tone, making me wish they'd done something like auto-removing that stuff, at least in a visual sense.

I agree, it's not like they don't have his model without clothes anyhow….

joxer April 29th, 2015 13:35

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Originally Posted by CelticFrost (Post 1061322430)
Well sort of the first 15 seconds shows him being bathed by 3 woman (no idea why).

Yea, I also can't understand it… I mean… Where did the fourth one disappear? :D

zahratustra April 29th, 2015 15:19

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Originally Posted by CelticFrost (Post 1061322430)
A 45 second video showing diving into the water and swimming. Well sort of the first 15 seconds shows him being bathed by 3 woman (no idea why).

He is being bathed for the audience with the emperor of Nilfgaard. But why pick it as an intro to a swimming demo? I have no idea either :)

Ripper April 29th, 2015 15:28

I'm not sure that there is a good solution to the swimming in armour problem, though. Having a convincing removal/donning animation would be a pain in the arse for gameplay, and an instant transition to swimming in his pants would be pretty jarring, too. I can live with the "let's pretend armour floats" solution, as perhaps the least bad solution.

DArtagnan April 29th, 2015 16:07

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Originally Posted by Ripper (Post 1061322542)
I'm not sure that there is a good solution to the swimming in armour problem, though. Having a convincing removal/donning animation would be a pain in the arse for gameplay, and an instant transition to swimming in his pants would be pretty jarring, too. I can live with the "let's pretend armour floats" solution, as perhaps the least bad solution.

I think they did it well in Guild Wars 2 - which did have "instant change" of armor to mostly scuba diving gear.

It worked and didn't seem jarring to me at all, though others may disagree.

But it's not a big deal, it just seems like an unfortunate standard - now that Witcher 3 has such a "plausible" vibe in so many other ways.

There's no ideal solution, but I think a good compromise would be a reasonably fast fade-to-black transition between armor and something more appropriate. Once you reach a certain depth of water, the game could prompt for swimming transition - and there could be an option to disable the prompt and it would just auto change with the transition at that depth.

Moriendor April 29th, 2015 16:47

Guys… he's a Witcher Jedi. He swims through the Force. Armor is of no concern to a Witcher Jedi. It's like Yoda lifting Luke's X-Wing from the swamps. Size and weight do not matter.

zahratustra April 29th, 2015 16:51

Didn't Morrowind have penalties for swimming in armor? But I agree with Ripper. If players are ok with being able to carry 300 kg worth of objects in their inventory there shouldn't be too much of a problem of swimming in armor.

Drithius April 29th, 2015 18:05

Actually looking forward to this title, but wish they had not copy/pasted swimming design mechanics from practically every other rpg out there. At least give me some superficial "wet" decals on the clothing.

Thrasher April 29th, 2015 18:31

So the point of that video seemed to seemed that if you swim you instantly get swarmed by enemies that you can't attack or defend against?

Ripper April 29th, 2015 18:56

I think it's just a clip from an older video. In the original, he was fighting a losing battle with the harpies, and thought he might escape underwater. I think they wanted to show the dynamism of enemy attacks, where even flying foes will dive. I thought it was pretty cool.

zahratustra April 29th, 2015 20:30

Yeah, in Ghoper's vid there is an admittedly short (about 24 seconds) swimming sequence and no monsters in sight.

JDR13 April 29th, 2015 21:21

I hope diving serves more of a purpose than simply escaping enemies. I'm looking forward to (hopefully) finding hidden items and locations that can only be found by exploring underwater.

CelticFrost April 29th, 2015 21:39

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Originally Posted by JDR13 (Post 1061322623)
I hope diving serves more of a purpose than simply escaping enemies. I'm looking forward to (hopefully) finding hidden items and locations that can only be found by exploring underwater.

It has been said it does….as well as boating.

I tried to find a video of boating with nothing else in it but couldn't.

bkrueger April 29th, 2015 23:05

In Two Worlds you could drown if you tried to swim in armour, so you had to remove it actively before swimming. That is the most role-play-like solution IMHO.

CelticFrost April 29th, 2015 23:16

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Originally Posted by bkrueger (Post 1061322650)
In Two Worlds you could drown if you tried to swim in armour, so you had to remove it actively before swimming. That is the most role-play-like solution IMHO.

If we could play Triss as character I would want this options, since we can't he can keep it all on.

Thrasher April 29th, 2015 23:24

But Ciri is still an option. ;)

CelticFrost April 29th, 2015 23:50

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Originally Posted by Thrasher (Post 1061322655)
But Ciri is still an option. ;)

To funny, you want me to cheat on Triss…that isn't happening. lol


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