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Myrthos May 19th, 2015 12:35

Expeditions: Conquistador - Sequel and Sale
 
Tomorrow at 10.00 CET the embargo ends on letting you know about the new Expeditions game. In the meantime you can get Expeditions: Conquistador at Good old Games with a 70% discount.

More information.

wiretripped May 19th, 2015 12:35

I actually just installed that yesterday, and am about to start a campaign. :)

FunktionJCB May 19th, 2015 13:08

Here's hoping they do like in the first game, where a playable character and quests were locked-out for those who didn't back the game on Kickstarter, above a certain amount. :roll:

Always a great idea to lock those unaware of a crowdfunding campaign, or unable to back, out of experiencing such significant piece of content.
People talk about major publishers, and practices such as pre-order DLC, or retailer exclusive content (and rightfully so, since these are appalling practices), but some "indies" are doing a great job going in a similar direction, by making content exclusive to crowdfunding campaigns. Some have a bit of decency, and make the content minor/cosmetic. And then there are games like Expeditions: Conquistador, which was one of the worse offenders.

wiretripped May 19th, 2015 13:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by FunktionJCB (Post 1061328379)
Here's hoping they do like in the first game, where a playable character and quests were locked-out for those who didn't back the game on Kickstarter, above a certain amount. :roll:

Always a great idea to lock those unaware of a crowdfunding campaign, or unable to back, out of experiencing such significant piece of content.
People talk about major publishers, and practices such as pre-order DLC, or retailer exclusive content (and rightfully so, since these are appalling practices), but some "indies" are doing a great job going in a similar direction, by making content exclusive to crowdfunding campaigns. Some have a bit of decency, and make the content minor/cosmetic. And then there are games like Expeditions: Conquistador, which was one of the worse offenders.

Oh, I'm not aware of this? They cut a crucial piece of content from the non-backer editions?

FunktionJCB May 19th, 2015 13:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by wiretripped (Post 1061328385)
Oh, I'm not aware of this? They cut a crucial piece of content from the non-backer editions?

Yes, in fact among other things, despite not having many possible characters joining your party, you are unable to recruit one of the characters unless you backed $30+ on Kickstarter.

wiretripped May 19th, 2015 13:41

Hm, I can live with backer exclusive equipment or items, but making story content exclusive (as in a companion or a quest) is… annoying. :-/

Gloo May 19th, 2015 14:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by FunktionJCB (Post 1061328389)
Yes, in fact among other things, despite not having many possible characters joining your party, you are unable to recruit one of the characters unless you backed $30+ on Kickstarter.

Wouldn't have bought the game being aware of that ! Thanks for the info, even if it comes a little too late for me (bought it some months ago)

Gloo May 19th, 2015 15:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by wiretripped (Post 1061328391)
Hm, I can live with backer exclusive equipment or items, but making story content exclusive (as in a companion or a quest) is… annoying. :-/

If that's confirmed, that means a big no for the upcoming sequel ! At least for me. I'm ok with something like : you don"t pay my game, you don't play it ! But this kind of behaviour where you have to back my upcoming game in order to play it complete, that's just a bit too much for me.

muhabor May 19th, 2015 15:06

You are looking at it wrong way my friend. It was in reality minor addition, to reward backers. I bought game later, without it, and this additional content is negligible. Please do not make it look like it is some major offence.

There are 31 followers. And one additional exclusively for backers.

FunktionJCB May 19th, 2015 15:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by muhabor (Post 1061328420)
You are looking at it wrong way my friend. It was in reality minor addition, to reward backers.

I really don't share your view that an exclusive recruitable character, among other items, is a minor addition.

I have to wonder if you would feel the same way if, say, a publisher such as Ubisoft pulled a similar move, and made a character exclusive to a certain retailer, or pre-order only.

Thorwyn99 May 19th, 2015 15:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gloo (Post 1061328419)
If that's confirmed, that means a big no for the upcoming sequel ! At least for me. I'm ok with something like : you don"t pay my game, you don't play it ! But this kind of behaviour where you have to back my upcoming game in order to play it complete, that's just a bit too much for me.

I bought the game, didn't get to play it yet.

According to
http://steamcommunity.com/app/237430…1834772835/#p2
it's only esteban that's exclusive.

Also http://steamcommunity.com/app/237430…9358657894432/
says you can add him with the console.

Might be some kind of unlocker floating around too I dunno.

I agree though, I personally can't condemn preorder bonuses and think exclusives like that are ok, I was not aware of it at the time of my purchase either.

muhabor May 19th, 2015 15:24

They were struggling to get funded. I am glad they made it though.

$77,247
pledged of $70,000 goal

Yme May 19th, 2015 15:53

Good game. Will buy the sequel as well.

Pladio May 19th, 2015 15:59

Game was tons of fun. I think you do not need to have esteban in the game as it actually is not a major part of the storyline.

Either way, I might replay it once I get tired of Invisible Inc.

suibhne May 19th, 2015 16:52

This only rankles me if it weren't handled well, meaning in a reasonably diegetic way. I haven't played the game yet, but I'm assuming you just don't get the recruitment option if you don't satisfy that condition - is that correct? As long as it respects the gameworld's internal consistency and isn't like DA:O, with a character trying to sell you real-world-money stuff, it's not big deal to me.

forgottenlor May 19th, 2015 17:29

I was unaware, but honestly, I had so much fun with this game, that it doesn't matter to me. Still I think it was a bad decision on their part as it generates ill will. Hopefully they learn their lesson and don't do it again.

Format92 May 19th, 2015 17:44

I also did not know that there were exclusive backer content. I purchased after kickstart and don't regret it, very nice game. Still have to finish it, too many excellent games around and not enough time. Will for sure back the sequel, something like "here is my wallet, just take it !".

darklord May 19th, 2015 18:26

I really enjoyed the original, and would certainly buy any sequels. :)

Daniel.

Asdraguuhl May 19th, 2015 18:28

I remember receiving a message from the developers asking the backers if they were OK with having the exclusive content being offered to non-backers for a small fee. I don't remember the result but if this content is not made available, then I guess it was the backers that prevented that :). But in all honesty, I really don't remember what the end result or conclusion was.

In any case, missing out on that particular recruitable character is not a big deal.

Carnifex May 19th, 2015 19:13

This was a great game, and I have no problem at all with a little extra, non-essential content being provided for those that backed the project. There is nothing wrong at all with rewarding investors, and I'll be lining up to play the sequel when it comes out.

Voqar May 19th, 2015 19:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by FunktionJCB (Post 1061328379)
Here's hoping they do like in the first game, where a playable character and quests were locked-out for those who didn't back the game on Kickstarter, above a certain amount. :roll:

Always a great idea to lock those unaware of a crowdfunding campaign, or unable to back, out of experiencing such significant piece of content.
People talk about major publishers, and practices such as pre-order DLC, or retailer exclusive content (and rightfully so, since these are appalling practices), but some "indies" are doing a great job going in a similar direction, by making content exclusive to crowdfunding campaigns. Some have a bit of decency, and make the content minor/cosmetic. And then there are games like Expeditions: Conquistador, which was one of the worse offenders.

Overreact much?

I don't back games but I appreciate that some people do, since some of these games would never even exist if it weren't for backers, so it seems a bit silly to get upset when some developer decides to reward the people who enabled them to make a game, and/or perhaps fulfill a dream of making a particular game.

I wish there were other worthy ways of rewarding backers but to me, if I were a backer, I'd rather get a significant reward than some trivial fluff like a special skin, art book, making of video, or other useless fluff.

Nothing about the backer rewards for Expeditions take away from the fact that it's a really fun and well done game.

Raggie May 19th, 2015 21:20

It's a very good game, and I never felt like I was missing something without the backer reward. There's more than enough of recruitable characters, none of them has a lot of story/dialogue, and you can't have all of them on a single playthrough anyway. Missing one character is really not an issue. Buy the game, you'll like it.

duder113 May 20th, 2015 03:42

awesome game! good to hear they're making another one

wolfsrain May 28th, 2015 16:08

Gonna say a few things:

1. Any type of game related content should be available for a fee to everyone (that means pre-orders bonus items/DLC, funding items, collector edition items/DLC's)

2. You can restrict access to: Making of documentaries, soundtracks, artbooks, wallpapers, guides, world encyclopedias and other similar things (non-game stuff)

Allow to everyone to have the same game experience. Offer something different to people that pre-order or back your games. Or you could give to backers and early adopters their stuff for free and everyone else should pay for it, adding some extra revenue for the company, allowing it to get more money from various merchandise.

Atomic May 28th, 2015 17:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by Voqar (Post 1061328485)
Overreact much?

I don't back games but I appreciate that some people do, since some of these games would never even exist if it weren't for backers, so it seems a bit silly to get upset when some developer decides to reward the people who enabled them to make a game, and/or perhaps fulfill a dream of making a particular game.

I wish there were other worthy ways of rewarding backers but to me, if I were a backer, I'd rather get a significant reward than some trivial fluff like a special skin, art book, making of video, or other useless fluff.

Nothing about the backer rewards for Expeditions take away from the fact that it's a really fun and well done game.

Maybe we could have done it differently, maybe doing it differently would have meant we wouldn't have gotten funded, but that is all speculation and hindsight now. The only certainty is that without the backers (and perhaps the Esteban reward to coax them to spend more than 15 bucks) we wouldn't have had a game in the first place. Not to mention the domino effect of building our studio and now being at the stage of starting the development our third game and thus even having this discussion here with you.

So we happily accept these criticisms and would like those of you who are still cranked by Esteban's recruitment reward to know that there are no plans for exclusive content in Viking.

Damian May 31st, 2015 04:15

So when can i preorder this thing?

Atomic June 1st, 2015 14:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by Damian (Post 1061331806)
So when can i preorder this thing?

2016 I guess. What is a reasonable time before a release to do pre-ordering? We've not done it before.

Myrthos June 1st, 2015 22:49

Personally I think a couple of months to half a year, but there are games out there that allow you to pre-order a year in advance.
Anyway, I also think you need something to convince potential buyers. A good PR machine helps too :)

luj1 July 15th, 2015 08:18

good to hear theyre making a sequel to conquistador


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