Torment: Tides of Numenera - Delayed Until 2017
 

As reported by Couch in our forums and submitted to us by vigilant Watchers, Torment: Tides of Numenera has been delayed. The latest Kickstarter update details the release date decision, as well as progress updates and the state of the beta.


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All backers that have the game in their kickstarter backer tier get access to the beta now.

Seems weird that it takes their publisher more then six months just to translate all the text, but then I remember developers taking a year to translate Japanese in JRPGs.

To much red tape and procedures slows the translating process down.
That's the only good news from the update but the game still needs more polishing. So it will probably receive seven months of changes & fixes since its content complete.

I think this game will capture the feel of an infinity engine classic because of better project management honestly. They are not going to just push it out the door before its ready but when it feels right, unlike a certain other infinity engine spiritual successor.

Delay it until 2018 and release it as a finished game.

alpha = concept

beta = alpha

release = beta

EE plus 10 patches = finished game.

Oh no you didn't as I know what game you're referring to Mister Sliver. ;)

Those are fighting words partner, and I challenge you to a duel.:slap:
And of course more patches after the Enhanced Edition of course.:biggrin:

You know its true but you can't bring yourself to agree with me :lol:

A yeah of patches later and that game, that won't be mentioned, still doesn't feel right.

While I get where you are coming from, getting a professionally done localization doesn't slow things down. We have several languages to get the game into and that means both the localization itself (~1 million words each) and months of localization QA and bug fixing on top of that.

The Torment dialog editing tools we got from Obsidian are very helpful with speeding up localization and the pros likewise have their own tools to make things go more smoothly, but it is still a big job no matter how you slice it and significantly more text than even the average RPG with 5 or 10x our budget.

Thanks for the reply Sea as I based my reply on talks I had a few translators from XSeed and Atlus. It was very insightful about why the process is very slow & frustrating.

I think its a good thing they're taking their time. This has to be "perfect", not rushed and repaired after the launch.

It might be Dez but this is the second delay in two years so I understand why some backers wont like it all. For me I just hope more games don't get pushed back to 2017.

I'm not really surprised by this, and as usual I hope they take the time required to do it right. My backlog is such that even if every game remaining on my current 2016-buy list got pushed out to 2017 I'd still have more than enough to keep me busy.

One of my most anticipated RPGs of 2016 has been become one of my most anticipated RPGs of 2017. Oh well, it's better than them rushing out something unpolished. Don't think I will even mess with the beta.

I hope that Expeditions: Vikings actually releases this year.

I bet that publisher is Paradox :D

My magic 8-Ball says you have a 50/50 chance of being correct.;)

Paradox paradox. I want we version before 2019. Btw for those who have played how is game in current state ignoring bugs?

I have to say I am very disappointed with the way the characters looks.

Haha, I knew this would happen. Everything gets postponed to 2017. Now all we need is for Div 2 and Tyrant to get postponed, and it's a wrap!

This probably means BT4 will be also delayed :(

Yeah, he looks ugly which is fine but also asthetically mundane.

I think thats kind of the point. Your supposed to shape your character to become something quite different according to your vision/how you play. The player character is the equivalent of a new born.

While some people aren't happy with news, I am.

Not everyone has 48 hours free per day to play games. I certainly don't and although I've been avoiding buying titles then not touching them for ages caused by lack of time, the thing is so many games got already released I can't possibly play them all. Some are stinking on my HDD untouched for two years already (Grimrock2 looking at you, sorry).

Any delay, especially delay of a game I want to be great, in my case is good news.
Because by the time it gets out, perhaps I clear some entries from my overgrown backlog.

I don't know anything about Tyranny (because I don't give a rat's arse about it), but DOS 2 is a given that will be released in 2016. We are in June and there is no words of anything even nearly completion. If we are lucky it will be June 2017, but could be later if they encounter some obstacles.

I am not happy about delays, never in any circumstances, but what can you do? It appears the as an industry people who develop games have no idea of how long it takes to do anything. Of course they come up with a bunch of crap about why, but it is amazing how they don't even have a reliable estimate. Let's see this in perspective: in most other industries a margin or error of 20-30% would be ludicrous, for game 200-300% estimation error appears to be the norm. Go figure…

I always thought the same. For instance, I got married when I was working in Thailand years ago and needed the wedding license translated for the visa application. Something that they had done hundreds of times, basically just changing the names and dates, still took a week or more.
I had a friend that spoke both English and Spanish perfectly, and she could translate real time in a conversation between two people that only spoke one language. I knew enough of both to tell she was pretty accurate.

Techland (dead island .. etc.) will be the publisher for Torment:

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/20…ts-a-publisher

I want to play Torment after 10 patches then numerous Fan Patches then several major MODs. :D Us such game out there? Yes, its called MM6!

Hey Couch!

I don't know where you got that from but, as a professional translator, I can assure you the translation process of a project like this is nothing short of gargantuan. There are a lot of localization issues that take forever to solve. Plus, there are so many passes that need to be made (proofreading). It's very complex really, even though it might not look like it is.

Even if dubbing is not to be included, just the text translations provide a really big challenge even to experienced teams, when a project of this size is to be considered.

I'm just trying to clarify some points here. This is not meant to be offensive.

Screen shots: it's a billion years in the future and people are still waving around pointy pieces of metal.

As I said above, professional translation is a pretty complex activity. It's not something the "fluent in two languages" average Joe is capable to do. There is a whole different set of skills the translator needs. Interpretation and translation os just the gist of it. Localization is really tough and requires deep understanding and knowledge of the culture one is translating into.

I will give you one example. I translate Netflix series from English into Portuguese. In English, people tend to use A LOT of curse words and F bombs. That can't be translated literally into Portuguese because it's culturally seen as offensive. Thus, the translator has to find mild words which will convey the meaning of the original curse, all the while trying not to lose too much substance.

This is just one example. When translating games, a whole different set of issues surface. If I'm translating to French, everything is different.

I really think people misunderstand how it really works, which, in turn, brings a lot of incompetent people to the translation market thinking they have what it takes. This is why some medias provide laughable subtitles and translations more often than not.

That is because known history of the current inhabitants is only around 800 years. That world is called 9th world because 8 great civilization have gone and passed and it is start of 9th now on Earth.

Ah, publisher money is a secret weapon now… since localization is such an important feature, lul

Hmm why don't they release the English version this year, and then localized versions next year?

Daniel.

Don't have to worry about offensiveness. I'm happy to have a professional offer a real-world perspective on the difficulty. I've seen linguists do lengthy translations before and given the contextual/linguistic/cultural issues at play, I can easily see that the relationship of translation complexity to size of the text (1mill+) is probably not totally linear.

You, for one, get it. Thank you for a realistic understanding of artistic project management.

Thanks for the understanding. To put things in perspective, I take, on average, 1 full hour to translate three minutes and a half of "Orange is the New Black". That is for the first pass. Then I have to proofread it and send it to the revision team. It's hard work.

Do the current inhabitants know that they're in the 9th world?

Thanks for the insights.

As an outsider I imagine another huge challenge to be consistency. If an expression has been translated in a certain way it has to be translated the same way it next occurs in the same opus. So the work isn't trivial to parallelize. That means either one person alone needs to do the translation or you need to have some serious coordination.

Heh. Okay, and so they are extracting ore from the shallow mines that somehow weren't exhausted by the previous 8 great civilizations. Or maybe they are hammering super-advanced nanotech composite materials from the previous civilization into simple bars of steel. :-P

This is another issue. You're right. Fortunately, modern translation applications (CAT - Computer Assisted Translator) allow us to keep glossaries of custom translated expressions, points of interest, mannerisms, idioms, characters etc. Without that, it would be almost impossible to keep track of it all and consistency would be negatively affected. Since translation and localization in modern movies, games, books etc is expected to be nothing short of top quality, these CAT tools are a must.

No.
But unlike our earth (or time) they have access to many leftovers from those previous ones. And all air and earth is full of nanomachines that allow "magic" to happen.