Kingmaker - Beginners Guide
 

Fextralife outline some beginner tips for Pathfinder: Kingmaker.

Thanks Farflame!

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I remember starting Drakensang TDE and seeing numerous tooltips and explanations on every single thing possible - I've never seen those rules before that.
Noone made any beginners' timewasting video, the game turned out epic and micromanagement based on ingame info was enormous fun.

I didn't start Kingmaker yet. If it doesn't have ingame explanations on everything, that's bad. But still. I'd appreciate text guide more than some stream-o-rama.

They have lots of ingame explanations on stuff, but it's definitely far from complete.

So… if you want to min-max your character, best read some other material first. ;)

Min-max is for jdr and dartagnan. ;)
I play my games on normal setting, not on socalled iron mode.

However, if discussing a game and sharing tips and hints is exciting, then I'll try to min-max something as it's a challenge of it's own. ;)

No real need to min/max. Some of the companions are multi-classed and therefore gimped and you can complete the game with them.

Also they're of varying alignments, so several of them are useless in comparison to rolling your own party of same alignment characters. For instance, Unfortunately, you can't assign hirelings as advisors, so you're going to need to use less than optimal choices in your group. This is why I generally dislike party-based games; not enough companions to fully make the best choices.

Kingmaker is fun though, so I keep playing. I finally settled on an Sacred Huntsmaster to finish the game. I played 4-5 characters through most of the first chapter. It's a fun game, @joxer

Who cares about advices? :p
Can you *khm* assign them as at-the-same-time romances? :evilgrin:

Yeah I've noticed that the only person in my group that seems to be good-bent like me is the wimpy bard. I'm hoping I don't come into actual conflict with anyone in my group over alignment issues, I'm still fairly early in the first chapter, I believe I have seventy days left or so to resolve a certain situation.

Is that really true in the pathfinder rules? In 3rd edition system that it's based on, almost every ridiculous min/max character would multi-class into something like 5 different classes. The only characters that tended to stay single class were the pure spell casters, and even then not always.

Hmmm, not sure. Octavia and Regongar (a really ugly half orc) want to threesome up. I think Tristian is bi/homosexual and I think Valerie and Amiri are both playing the romance card. Hopefully, Purple will pop in here and espouse about the relationships. I only like "romance" if it's in a game with good first person graphics! CBBB and Vilja or Piper. Triss and the black-haired girl in TW3. Although, I was hoping gramps would grind with Ciri too. Guess that was too close to incest. :evilgrin:

Hmmm, not sure. Octavia and Regongar (a really ugly half orc) want to threesome up. I think Tristian is homosexual and I think Valerie and Amiri are both playing the romance card. Hopefully, Purple will pop in here and espouse about the relationships. I only like "romance" if it's in a game with good first person graphics! CBBB and Vilja or Piper. Triss and the black-haired girl in TW3. Although, I was hoping gramps would grind with Ciri too. Guess that was too close to incest. :evilgrin:

Oops, I was wrong about Tristian, he's straight. If you want a male/male it has to be Regongar the hideously ugly half orc. Now that's just wrong. I think they should have made Tristian bi and maybe ranger boy too.

Here is the real list of romance options:

I absolutely had to do the polyamorous relationship with Octavia and Regongar.

you should chnage your forum handle to dirtyoldcrpgnut :P

Probably. I just like to upset the politically correct stuff at every opportunity :) You know, from #metoo to #bitemetoo :D

I'm not purposely doing any of the romances, but I typically click on every dialog choice so several are happening. Glad to see I don't have to kill Tristian and I'm waiting to see if I need to off Gag-me-orc. Probably. He's C-E and I'm N-G, so he's probably gonna die.

I could've used a guide to get me through that damned Sycamore Caves dungeon…

Okay

https://www.gamerguides.com/pathfind…e/old-sycamore

Heh, thanks, but I finished it last night the old fashioned way. Seemed like I was going up and down and all around the stupid kobold king a dozen times.

How do people get lost in Old Sycamore?

It has two maps and all the exit/entry points have tooltips saying where they lead to.

Aren't those two just Lawful Neutral and Chaotic Neutral? It seems way too restrictive to make it difficult keeping them in a good-aligned party unless there's a conflict on the Law-Chaos axis.

Judging from the Steam forums (yeah, not really a great metric to go by), the best advice right now is to wait for them to patch the game several more times so it can be finished. Last I checked it looked like bugs were preventing people from finishing act 4.

As for character builds, they're pretty tricky in this game because of the vast number of options and what information is available to you. Further, you can't respec, so if you make a mistake then you have to load a previous save or start over (surprisingly, a lot of people actually seem to support this, despite Pathfinder actually having rules for retraining). Pathfinder is quite a bit different from 3.5e in character advancement because classes gain different things at level ups other than just more spell slots, BAB, hit dice, etc. They also gain class abilities that are unique to that class or that class archetype. Playing a single class to level 20 (the max) allows access to that class's "capstone" ability, which in some cases can be a decent incentive to stick with the same class. People that are really experienced with the rules and planning ahead can definitely find ways to min-max and figure out how to optimize whatever kind of character they're trying to make. Sometimes that includes multiclassing (whether it's just "dipping" or going for a more even distribution of levels) and sometimes it's just a particular choice of feats, equipment, and stats.

https://www.d20pfsrd.com/ is a very useful resource if you want to read up on the Pathfinder rules. Though not everything on that site is actually implemented in the game, it can help fill in some of the gaps of information and give you a bit of an idea of what's going on in some places.

Bugfinder: Patchmaker.

Game breaking bugs are preventing me from finishing Chapter 4; Armag's Tomb simply won't appear. I'd wait on trying to finish this until they patch it.

Otherwise, brilliant game. :D

linzimoen

Technically that was all true in 3.5 as well, but generally people found that it was much more powerful to have lots of different classes rather than to stick around for the highest level abilities of a single class (again with pure spellcasting classes being sometimes an exception). This was due to a lot of classes having really powerful abilities in their first few levels, and the super high level abilities being good, but not so good that they were worth missing out on combining the major abilities of several classes. Plus you often tended to go into a prestige class anyway and skipping your highest level class abilities because of that. Finally, saving throws were calculated in a way that massively favored characters with many classes, often by a ridiculous margin.

So anyway, just curious, I'll see how things work for myself in a patch or two.

I guess it's a good thing I get lost a lot.

Don't need a guide when you use a game cheat trainer.:p

Can't die, infinite abilities, and all the money I could ever want.

http://gtrainers.com/_ld/63/74248696.jpg


http://gtrainers.com/_ld/63/79540959.jpg

They still need to fix those annoying bugs though.

For a while I was wondering why Linzi annoyed me so much. It was only when I realized she was just like Imoen that everything clicked into place and made sense. XD

@Couchpotato You are my kind of people :)

I've just looked up that trainer, but unfortunately it's not free. Do you know of any free trainers that do the same thing (and are safe)?

Cause if I can get a good trainer for this game, then I might give it a try. I just wish to the gods that they had added mod support to this game, then people wouldn't be forced to use trainers :(

Of course here you go.

Link - https://mrantifun.net/index.php?thre…trainer.17593/
Link - http://gtrainers.com/
Link - https://www.gamecopyworld.com/games/…ingmaker.shtml
Link - http://fearlessrevolution.com/viewtopic.php?t=7964

The Fling 1.0 version from above still works with the patches.

I cant share the cheat-happens one as it's tied to my account.

They are mostly safe but a few set off false positives.

We can still have mods without mod support, and I'm sure we'll be seeing some for this game. Mod support just means they facilitate the creation of mods, but the majority of games are still modded without that assistance.

https://www.nexusmods.com/pathfinderkingmaker

I use MrAntiFun for encumbrance. The newest version doesn't work yet, but the old version does. I hate encumbrance in loot games. I'm not sure if inf health, wealth, or xp works as that would kill my fun. I love scrapping every penny and then buying all the good loots. In my game every caster has a headband of +2 to casting stat and every warrior has a +2 belt to their damage stat. I'm mostly broke, but powerful.

Thanks very much Couchpotato. I think I'll give it a try :)

That is fantastic news Ripper! The thing that put me off playing Pathfinder was the lack of mod support. I knew if I tried playing it without the ability to change things, I'd just get angry and frustrated.

But if it's like Pillars of Eternity 2, where the files are easily editable in Notepad++ then I'll be very happy :)

Is there a trainer/cheat that lets you respec? That's all I need right now.

If anyone wants to wait and needs a date to plan stuff, they announced a "big patch" for "after October 22nd", in the patch notes (1.05 I think).

It's supposed to contain "several hundreds improvements and minor fixes". (I read that as "we will nerf your character", so I will do the opposite of waiting and try to finish before that time :biggrin:)

PS: they continue to do hotfixes before the big patch.

Unfortunately that's the downside of modding not really being supported - things haven't been laid out in a way to make things easy. But, modders are determined creatures, and they will likely find a way. They've already come up with something called the Unity Mod Manager, to help mod Unity games that aren't designed for modding.

There's not much available yet, but this looks like a game that's going to have an enthusiastic community, and I suspect there will be a lot of options, in time.

Hello. Im just 6 hrs in but Im very pleasantly surprised so far. Did not encounter (or failed to notice) any glitches and bugs. So far I like it more then PoE 1+2 or DoS. Honestly did not expect that. Pathfinder ruleset is familiar enough and this cheap feeling eastern European production often has does not strike me in this game. Playing on normal and don't feel need for trainers.

I'm deep in the depths of the Old Sycamore area, and I'm not sure how much I still have left to explore here, but I'm having a fantastic time. I'll say this about Pathfinder: you select hard on this game, and it seems even the trivial fights (kobolds, wolves, etc.) turn into complex encounters that will have you fighting for your very lives!!!

Yeah, I am used to playing P&P Pathfinder but the lack defensive casting (which only works in turn-based Pathfinder) makes it hell to cast touch spells in combat (and everyone seems to love targeting casters - which is of course good strategy). I started on hard, played awhile but I don't have the energy to have every encounter be a big mission. Those days are gone. I think normal is well spec'd and I'm happy there now although some encounters are little too easy…but overall it's fine.

The one lonely mage I have spends more time using her bow than any offensive spells. Her utility is quite handy, though.

For spellcasters, makes sure to take combat casting, point blank shot and precise shot feats. Combat casting helps with concentration check to avoid attack of opportunity when melee casting and precise shot remove the -4 penalty for "ranged attack in combat".

There is also a teamwork feat that improve concentration further if I remember properly.