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Silver November 30th, 2018 14:43

Kingmaker - Season Pass Details
 
The Pathfinder: Kingmaker season pass details three upcoming DLCs.

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The Season Pass includes:
DLC 1
The Wildcards - December, 2018


* A new playable race. During the poll to decide which bonus race we were going to add to the game, one particular option was requested a lot (besides the winner - Aasimars): Tieflings, the people with a drop of demonic blood in their veins. They didn't make it into the base game, but became the natural choice for the first piece of post-release content.

* A new playable class. They master the raw power of the elements, channeling it into their wild talents to manipulate the world around them. Kineticists are living conduits of primal energy, deadly both in close and ranged combat.

* A new companion. If you combine a race with a class, you get a character. Welcome your new companion, the Tiefling Kineticist who comes, just like every other companion, with her own storyline. She could also be a romance option and may hold one of the positions in the Kingdom.
(post-launch content, a $7,99 value).


DLC 2
Varnhold's Lot - February , 2019*


A new bonus campaign. While celebrating your victory at Jamandi Aldori's mansion, you've met another hero of the Stolen Lands: the mercenary captain Maegar Varn. While you're building your barony in the Shrike Hills and Narlmarshes, Varn and his people are establishing their own nation of Varnhold in the rocky foothills of Dunsward. What did they have to go against? Play this new story, and export the consequences of the choices you've made there into the main campaign!

This exciting new side story is about the size of one chapter of our main campaign and will take 6-12 hours to complete, depending on your playstyle.
(post-launch content, a $11,99 value).


DLC 3
Beneath The Stolen Lands - April, 2019*


A new game mode. Sometimes you want to play a story with memorable characters, rich lore, and a complicated set of choices and consequences. But then there are days when you just want to grab a sword, cast some spells, and destroy a horde of monsters! This DLC will introduce a rogue-like randomly generated endless dungeon, complete with a new unique boss. You can explore it in a separate game, or as a part of your main campaign. How deep can you go?
(post-launch content, a $9,99 value).

*Expansion pack launch dates are estimates and are subject to change.

Thanks Farflame!

More information.

joxer November 30th, 2018 14:43

#1 looks nice and unless I got it for free (KS backer but not sure what tier I was) I'm buying it.

#2 why is it DLC? It should have been Kingmaker2 or part of the sequel! Not buying, deliberately.

#3 seriously? LOL

Andrew23 November 30th, 2018 15:28

Not thrilled by this DLC lineup, but probably will get it anyway :)

Couchpotato November 30th, 2018 15:35

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Originally Posted by joxer (Post 1061543852)
#1 looks nice and unless I got it for free (KS backer but not sure what tier I was) I'm buying it.

#2 why is it DLC? It should have been Kingmaker2 or part of the sequel! Not buying, deliberately.

#3 seriously? LOL

Never thought Obsidian's DLC for PoE 2 would sound better.

God I miss the old days.:cries:

Still like others I'll be crying in my corner loathing myself for buying them.

Carnifex November 30th, 2018 15:40

I think my backing level will entitle me to getting a few without paying extra, but not sure. All this extra content is likely to keep this game on the backburner even longer, I just hope I can remember what was going down at the time I stopped! Worse case scenario, I can always restart again I suppose, but I kind of like my squad that I had going.

Archangel November 30th, 2018 16:07

I am certainly interested in #1. #3 is starting to sound better and better but I think I am first going to wait until other people report on its amount of content and quality.
If it brings us tougher combat without the need to up the difficulty to Hard or beyond (meaning better enemy AI) I might be very interested.

#2 is Meh. Maybe if those that do get it claim it is best thing ever or something.

Feist November 30th, 2018 16:44

Not that enthused by this. I would rather have something like a real fleshed out expansion (NWN: Hordes of the Underdark, PoE: The White March).

In this case the main game is so large that all of these DLC only feel relevant if you plan to start a brand new campaign. However, if you've already spent hundreds of hours in-game and feel you've pretty much seen & done it all, then they might not be worth starting over for.

So…good for new players and players in the future but not so good for current veterans.

Arkadia7 November 30th, 2018 16:45

While not the most exciting dlc I've seen, I still will get all of it when I buy the game, (next year after more patches)

The endless dungeon sounds pretty cool to me. I just don't get how the dungeon can be "endless" if there will be unique boss monsters to fight, presumably when you reach the bottom of the dungeon.

booboo November 30th, 2018 18:18

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Originally Posted by Couchpotato (Post 1061543868)
Never thought Obsidian's DLC for PoE 2 would sound better.

God I miss the old days.:cries:

Still like others I'll be crying in my corner loathing myself for buying them.

Don't do it couch, resist!!!!

I'm a bit played out right now - 190 hours (!) so I have no desire for more?unless it's a decent meaty add-on or sequel.

Darkbridger November 30th, 2018 19:42

Well now I know roughly when I can look into buying the game. I need to schedule some time off for next summer.

rjshae November 30th, 2018 19:59

$30 worth of side-story content for a buggy game? Sorry fellas, but I think I'll hold off some more.

JDR13 November 30th, 2018 20:22

Seems somewhat disappointing if you ask me. #1 just adds a new race and class + 1 new companion but doesn't include any quests or new content besides that. #3 sounds like it's just a randomly generated combat fest.

TheRealFluent November 30th, 2018 22:48

Surprised to see all the disappointment. If you total these together it equals a nice chunky expansion - new character/race/companion + new chapter-length campaign + endless dungeon. To me, and this is not being a biased Owlcat fanboi either, it's near perfect how they handled it. #3 sounds especially exciting because I'm sure they'll dip into the bestiary a lot more for wild and exotic creatures, plus we'll be finding a ton of new loot and have challenging encounters to boot. #2 is a new campaign that will flesh out the story more, which is cool, and I'm very excited about the new companion, so much so that I'm putting the game down until the 6th to get her! :)

purpleblob November 30th, 2018 23:03

I'm neutral about this. The base game is so massive and excellent, there isn't really much to add other than more race and class (like DLC #1). While I would like more story driven, full expansion like DLC, Owlcats have given more than enough content to enjoy than any other game in the last decade or so.

Ripper November 30th, 2018 23:10

I only see the third one as a downer, as I don't like the idea of procedural generation in an RPG. The other two sound pretty decent.

purpleblob November 30th, 2018 23:13

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Originally Posted by JDR13 (Post 1061543933)
Seems somewhat disappointing if you ask me. #1 just adds a new race and class + 1 new companion but doesn't include any quests or new content besides that.

She will come with her own story (as in extra quests) and she will be one of your kingdom advisor. The game really need more advisors!!! Especially the councilor position!!!

joxer November 30th, 2018 23:19

Don't listen to him. Once he notices she's another romance option he'll sing another song. ;)

Spoiler

Archangel November 30th, 2018 23:27

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Originally Posted by purpleblob (Post 1061543972)
She will come with her own story (as in extra quests) and she will be one of your kingdom advisor. The game really need more advisors!!! Especially the councilor position!!!

This needs to be said more than once. With this companion comes additional quests, more voice overs and who knows what else.
New class comes with completely new abilities, animations and the rest. And probably will also have 3 Archetypes for it.
New race comes with new option for building characters, hopefully also comes with some content in base game where people react to their leader being a Thiefling.

All this for 8$ people. 8$ is nothing, didn't Bethesda sell horse armor for 10$ or something?!

Archangel November 30th, 2018 23:29

Also for 30$ you will get as much content as Tales of the Sword cost added for BG1, probably even more.

TheRealFluent November 30th, 2018 23:36

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Originally Posted by Archangel (Post 1061543978)
Also for 30$ you will get as much content as Tales of the Sword cost added for BG1, probably even more.

Exactly my point. Likely more and the game is already massive as-is. So this is a great expansion IMO. I think the dungeon will be quality crafted, Owlcat knows what they are doing. And it all comes with new voice overs as you mentioned, new companion storylines and quests, new LOOT. It will definitely have a ton of stuff to dig into.

joxer November 30th, 2018 23:42

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Originally Posted by TheRealFluent (Post 1061543980)
Exactly my point.

quests, new LOOT. It will definitely have a ton of stuff to dig into.

May I remind you that Ubisoft's flagship game The Mighty Quest For Epic Loot was shut down 2 years ago.
https://www.ubisoft.com/en-us/game/t…for-epic-loot/
https://ubistatic19-a.akamaihd.net/u…let_163596.jpg
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This title is no longer available.
It lasted only 2 years when Ubi decided such something can't be milked appreciated on PC but elsewhere.
https://steamcommunity.com/app/23922…8511227129069/
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Mighty quest on mobile
So, they shut down the PC game but they are currently developping a mobile version of the game which is playable right now and looks really bad. What the hell?
No, you didn't see me complaining, it was one of better Ubi's decisions. IMO.
:evilgrin:

Anyway, I don't expect them selling many copies of #3 DLC. But who knows. Maybe they manage to make something better than Bethesda's radiant "quests".

ChatMiauleur December 1st, 2018 00:02

Not that interested in randomly generated dungeons and Varnhold is quite meh for me. But, that can be due to the fact than I am currently preparing a raid in Valley of the Dead.
However, the 1 is really cool and I have hopes for the future for this game. It has a huge potential on top of what it has already delivered which is massive and immensely fun.
Yeah, it had a patchy start but I did not meet any bug I could notice since the 1.1. Granted, I have only 89 hours in it which is not a lot compared to many here. :|

Saxon1974 December 1st, 2018 00:03

Waiting for game of thrones year edition to play so this just adds more to it!

Ephiron December 1st, 2018 00:29

I like the first two. Third one is a pass.

I wonder how will the consequences of the second one affect the campaign… Can those be exported into an ongoing campaign or will they require new playthrough?

TheRealFluent December 1st, 2018 00:41

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Originally Posted by Ephiron (Post 1061543988)
I like the first two. Third one is a pass.

I wonder how will the consequences of the second one affect the campaign? Can those be exported into an ongoing campaign or will they require new playthrough?

You can get the companion any time after Chapter 2 starts, but if you finish Chapter 5 you can't get her in that playthrough. Hence why I'm waiting for Dec. 6 because I'm in Chapter 5. :) Not sure about Varnhold.

Why are you guys against the dungeon? It will have a unique boss and tons of levels to explore, likely with a bunch of new weapons, items, challenging encounters, etc.. The game is already massive and adding a crazy dungeon is so exciting to me, but I think procedural generation scares people away. I'm sure it will be done well and not some weird randomization. You probably won't even be able to tell it was proc gen because Owlcat is a great developer.

ChatMiauleur December 1st, 2018 00:46

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Originally Posted by TheRealFluent (Post 1061543990)
Why are you guys against the dungeon? It will have a unique boss and tons of levels to explore, likely with a bunch of new weapons, items, challenging encounters, etc.. The game is already massive and adding a crazy dungeon is so exciting to me, but I think procedural generation scares people away.

Don't know about the others but for me if there is no story tied to it I have no interest in it.

TheRealFluent December 1st, 2018 00:53

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Originally Posted by ChatMiauleur (Post 1061543992)
Don't know about the others but for me if there is no story tied to it I have no interest in it.

Well there's a unique boss there, so there must be *some* story to it. I don't think it's just completely a dungeon and nothing else, you can probably talk to some peeps on the way down to learn why it's there and what it's about, etc.. And more weapon, armor and item choices come with it, plus the bestiary will be used more - I think it's going to be a blast. :)

Mortmal December 1st, 2018 01:30

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Originally Posted by TheRealFluent (Post 1061543966)
Surprised to see all the disappointment. If you total these together it equals a nice chunky expansion - new character/race/companion + new chapter-length campaign + endless dungeon. To me, and this is not being a biased Owlcat fanboi either, it's near perfect how they handled it. #3 sounds especially exciting because I'm sure they'll dip into the bestiary a lot more for wild and exotic creatures, plus we'll be finding a ton of new loot and have challenging encounters to boot. #2 is a new campaign that will flesh out the story more, which is cool, and I'm very excited about the new companion, so much so that I'm putting the game down until the 6th to get her! :)

Release state of the game was unacceptable, first part of the game is great if very buggy, then end game is a complete disaster. So people feelings toward that game are mixed.The great part come from the pen and paper books, thats what people really like in this game olwcat has not much to do with it. The last part they made it themselves and its horrifying.
So no reasons to be too excited at the season pass.

purpleblob December 1st, 2018 01:41

I like companions and their story as well - which is Owlcats work. Music, graphics, UI etc too. So you can't say Owlcat don't deserve credit.

Couchpotato December 1st, 2018 06:07

Pathfinder Kingmaker a game that doesn't deserve the praise and GOTY awards.:p

Can't wait to play Cyberpunk 2077 as that game gets my fanboy mechanisms in full gear going. So just a fair Waring it will be my turn to a defend a game from heretics. :biggrin:

purpleblob December 1st, 2018 06:46

Kingmaker isn't just GOTY, it's one of the best cRPG ever ;)

TheRealFluent December 1st, 2018 06:47

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Originally Posted by purpleblob (Post 1061544042)
Kingmaker isn't just GOTY, it's one of the best cRPG ever ;)

Amen, Sister Blob. :biggrin: From the Holy Order of Owlcat. Hoo, hoo…

Couchpotato December 1st, 2018 06:49

Well then get ready.:devilish:

Just ask a few older members how I used to defend BioWare games.

I'm talking Trump level politics here people. You'll hate me.:biggrin:

purpleblob December 1st, 2018 07:52

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Originally Posted by Couchpotato (Post 1061544038)
Can't wait to play Cyberpunk 2077 as that game gets my fanboy mechanisms in full gear going. So just a fair Waring it will be my turn to a defend a game from heretics. :biggrin:

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Originally Posted by Couchpotato (Post 1061544044)
Well then get ready.:devilish:

Just ask a few older members how I used to defend BioWare games.

I'm talking Trump level politics here people. You'll hate me.:biggrin:

Nothing to get ready about, Couch :) We can always agree to disagree. In saying that, I think you will eventually warm up to Kingmaker :)

I haven't really been following Cyberpunk - the setting doesn't interest me, and unfortunately, TW3 failed to captivate me. In saying that, I'm not going to pre-judge, just not hyped like you are :P

JDR13 December 1st, 2018 11:01

Talk about comparing apples and oranges. I don't see what one has to do with the other.

Archangel December 1st, 2018 13:14

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Originally Posted by JDR13 (Post 1061544060)
Talk about comparing apples and oranges. I don't see what one has to do with the other.

I agree, it is pointless to compare a real rpg with interactive movie with some shooting parts :D

Couchpotato December 1st, 2018 13:20

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Originally Posted by Archangel (Post 1061544066)
I agree, it is pointless to compare a real rpg with interactive movie with some shooting parts :D

Yeah so passe right? Wonder why those games sell more.

Lets go ask Obsidian and inXile.

Wait they were bought by Microsoft.:lol:

Anyway rather play Witcher III then Pathfinder: Kingmaker The Loading Screen Simulator.

Couchpotato December 1st, 2018 13:30

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Oh look this was back in 2016.
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By June 2015, over 690,000 players had activated the game through GOG Galaxy. The game sold over six million copies in the next six weeks, and the studio made a profit of $63.3 million in the first half of 2015. In March 2016, CD Projekt Red reported that the game had shipped nearly 10 million copies worldwide.
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Since the release of the first instalment in The Witcher trilogy CD PROJEKT has sold over 25 million copies of The Witcher games.
Probably more now. How much has this game sold? Not as much.;)

I expect Cyberpunk 2077 to sell as much if not better.

you December 1st, 2018 13:35

I haven't played this game so I won't comment on how it compares per sey to witcher 1 in quality but from what I'm reading witcher 1 was a far better game than this game on release. You ask how it has sold but how well did it deserve to sell given its condition.
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Now having said the above it isn't really fair to compare a 1st person rpg to a party based rpg but so in that sense perhaps witcher series was er doomed to sell better but then again maybe they deserved to sell better given the production value….

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Originally Posted by Couchpotato (Post 1061544073)
Oh look this was back in 2016.
Probably more now. How much has this game sold? Not as much.;)

I except Cyberpunk 2077 to sell as much if not better.


Couchpotato December 1st, 2018 13:38

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Originally Posted by you (Post 1061544077)
Now having said the above it isn't really fair to compare a 1st person rpg to a party based rpg but so in that sense perhaps witcher series was er doomed to sell better but then again maybe they deserved to sell better given the production value?.

Not when it gets a free pass while being a buggy & technical mess.

Also hate Elitists like Archangel above.

Nothing wrong with cutscenes in an RPG.:p

Oh wait another burn Witcher III actually had expansions the DLC was free.


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