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HiddenX December 19th, 2018 01:07

Pillars of Eternity II - Best RPG 2018 @ PC Gamer
 
For PC Gamer Pillars of Eternity 2: Deadfire is the best RPG of 2018:

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Best RPG 2018: Pillars of Eternity 2: Deadfire

Obsidian's seafaring sequel dazzled us with a great world and fantastic quest design this year.

Our best RPG of 2018 award goes to Obsidian's Pillars of Eternity 2. It got fewer nominations than the other winners this year, but the staff members who voted for it made it clear how passionate they are about the game. Don't forget to check out the rest of our GOTY picks and personal picks as they happen.

Andy K: In terms of writing, quest design, and world-building, Obsidian is at the top of its game in Deadfire. This nautical sequel continues the story established in the first Pillars, but is standalone enough that you can dive into it without any prior knowledge. And what a grand adventure it is, making you a ship captain and letting you sail the deadly, alluring waters of the tropical Deadfire Archipelago. For the most part this is a classic Infinity Engine-style RPG, with reams of vivid, descriptive text, enchanted items with lengthy descriptions, dungeon diving, and magical beasts. But being able to crew and maintain a ship, and sail freely between islands, gives it a compelling seafaring twist.

Compared to the green and leafy Dyrwood, the relatively familiar fantasy setting of the original game, the Deadfire is a beguiling, strange, alien place, and uncovering its well-realised culture, politics, and history makes spending time there a delight. There are dozens of rounded, interesting characters to meet on your journey, quests that start small then spiral into something wild and unexpected, and a whole lot of deep, tactical combat to indulge in. The standout moment has to be Fort Deadlight, which sees you setting some amusing Hitman-inspired traps to get revenge on a villainous pirate.

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Couchpotato December 19th, 2018 01:18

My second ranked game of 2018.:party:

So far my votes for GOTY on this site is the following.
  1. Kingdom Come: Deliverance
  2. Pillars of Eternity II
  3. Pathfinder: Kingmaker

joxer December 19th, 2018 01:49

Sorry but PoE2 can't be among my top 3 RPGs of this year.
Sure it's closer to pnp than those three I('ll*) root for, but cmon, I don't think ruleset and statistics should be the only reason to crown something as best RPG.
If the year wasn't full of great games, perhaps PoE2 would be my choice too. But unlike PCG, PoE2 is not the only game I've played this year to think it's the best of them all.

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* - Note that I still didn't start Kingmaker, if it's as good as everyone says around here, PoE2 will drop even lower on my personal list.

Saxon1974 December 19th, 2018 02:03

I found POE 1 just average so POE 2 I never played. Maybe someday

Couchpotato December 19th, 2018 02:16

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Originally Posted by joxer (Post 1061547628)
Sorry but PoE2 can't be among my top 3 RPGs of this year.
Sure it's closer to pnp than those three I('ll*) root for, but cmon, I don't think ruleset and statistics should be the only reason to crown something as best RPG.
If the year wasn't full of great games, perhaps PoE2 would be my choice too. But unlike PCG, PoE2 is not the only game I've played this year to think it's the best of them all.

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* - Note that I still didn't start Kingmaker, if it's as good as everyone says around here, PoE2 will drop even lower on my personal list.

Believe me I played other RPGs but they don't come close to being GOTY.

I could add Divinity Original Sin 2 Definitive Edition but it was just a small update not a new game. Anyway these are the RPGs I played this year. Probably missed a few.
  1. Kingdom Come: Deliverance
  2. Pillars of Eternity II
  3. Pathfinder: Kingmaker
  4. Monster Hunter: World
  5. Assassin's Creed Odyssey
  6. Ni no Kuni II: Revenant Kingdom
  7. Dragon Quest XI
  8. Vampyr
  9. Octopath Traveler
  10. Valkyria Chronicles 4
  11. The Banner Saga 3
  12. Divinity: Original Sin 2 – Definitive Edition
  13. Shenmue I & II
  14. Final Fantasy XV
  15. Yakuza 0
  16. Ys VIII: Lacrimosa of Dana
Also BattleTech is not an RPG.

joxer December 19th, 2018 02:31

My votes will go to, unless Kingmaker and Thronebreaker shake it, your numbers 1, 10 and 15.

Didn't play nor ever will your #4, #9, #11, #13 and #16 - but from what I've seen and read, I don't think any of them can qualify as my top 3.

Although it's an absolutely awsome experience, I've disqualified #5 from my vote. Reasons? Here:

https://i.postimg.cc/vHsW1kn5/uplayshit.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/6qsCf1mJ/ubibullshit.jpg

If needed, I can add more store/helix bullshittery from game tooltips, screened em all.
That can't ever be and that just ain't my goty.

Anyway, yes, you've missed quite a few releases from this year, but don't worry as IMO those while very nice games aren't really goty material (example: Vigilantes).

rjshae December 19th, 2018 03:10

Best RPG seems about right, at least coming from game critics. Metacritic has PoE2 ranked (88) as the 4th(!) best PC game of 2018, followed closely by Monster Hunter: World (88). The three above it are non-RPGs. Kingdom Come: Deliverance (76) and Patchfinder: Bugmaker (72) came in much lower, at least among the critics. Monster Hunter: World had really abysmal user ratings (5.8) because of its poor PC port.

joxer December 19th, 2018 03:17

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Originally Posted by rjshae (Post 1061547645)
Patchfinder: Bugmaker

https://media1.tenor.com/images/e853…9ad5/tenor.gif

Errrrrrrr

Couchpotato December 19th, 2018 03:41

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Originally Posted by joxer (Post 1061547647)
Errrrrrrr

Well he is not wrong.:biggrin:

As the Pathfinder has had one big patch & almost 40 hot-fix patches.

Ivanwah December 19th, 2018 03:46

I just realized I haven't played any RPG released in 2018. I was always a few years behind with my games due to my low spec PCs in the past, but last year I treated myself to a system capable of running the latest games. For some reason I'm still behind. Maybe it's the huge number of games I missed between 2012 and now, maybe I was waiting for definitive editions.
Anyway, the best game of 2018 I played, and one of the best games I played ever is Return of the Obra Dinn. You should check it out.
A little off-topic, but I had to share my thoughts :D

Carnifex December 19th, 2018 04:23

I really enjoyed the first Pillars game, but their scheme of releasing additional content over a large period of time taught me a valuable lesson for the second game. I'll likely get into playing this one a month or so after all the content has been released for it.

Couchpotato December 19th, 2018 04:38

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Originally Posted by Carnifex (Post 1061547658)
I really enjoyed the first Pillars game, but their scheme of releasing additional content over a large period of time taught me a valuable lesson for the second game. I'll likely get into playing this one a month or so after all the content has been released for it.

It's finished but yes expect more patches and extra boss fights. Don't know if Obsidian plans to release a GOTY/Definitive edition this time though. It's possible in my opinion.

sakichop December 19th, 2018 05:04

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Originally Posted by joxer (Post 1061547642)
My votes will go to, unless Kingmaker and Thronebreaker shake it, your numbers 1, 10 and 15.

Didn't play nor ever will your #4, #9, #11, #13 and #16 - but from what I've seen and read, I don't think any of them can qualify as my top 3.

Although it's an absolutely awsome experience, I've disqualified #5 from my vote. Reasons? Here:

https://i.postimg.cc/vHsW1kn5/uplayshit.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/6qsCf1mJ/ubibullshit.jpg

If needed, I can add more store/helix bullshittery from game tooltips, screened em all.
That can't ever be and that just ain't my goty.

Anyway, yes, you've missed quite a few releases from this year, but don't worry as IMO those while very nice games aren't really goty material (example: Vigilantes).

I’m not even sure where you got those pics from.

Anyway odessey is definitely my goty. It’s a really fun game and the only game I’ve played that was released this year.:biggrin:

Capt. Huggy Face December 19th, 2018 05:37

I might go:
1. Kenshi
2. Kingmaker
3. Kingdom Come: Deliverance

Haven't actually played PoEII yet. If the first PoE were in the mix, I think my list would be the same.

Couchpotato December 19th, 2018 05:42

Good list Capt. Huggy Face but I don't see Kenshi winning the vote this year.:)

Usually it's the top three crowdfunding games that win. If not those it's a new BioWare, Bethesda, or CD Projekt game. Now if Anthem makes the list next year I will laugh.

Morrandir December 19th, 2018 09:36

For me it's
  1. Pathfinder: Kingmaker
  2. Kingdom Come: Deliverance
  3. Pillars of Eternity II: Deadfire
I'm currently playing AC:Odyssey and while I quite enjoy it, all in all as an RPG it's too shallow to be on my winner's podium.

Maylander December 19th, 2018 09:44

I agree with PC Gamer. Of course, it's also my "Game of the Year", which I doubt it will be for them, as that's bound to be RDR2, but it's nice to see PoE2 get some (well earned) recognition.

Couchpotato December 19th, 2018 10:09

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Originally Posted by Maylander (Post 1061547675)
I agree with PC Gamer. Of course, it's also my "Game of the Year", which I doubt it will be for them, as that's bound to be RDR2, but it's nice to see PoE2 get some (well earned) recognition.

Yep their GOTY will probably be RDR 2 or Assassin Creed Odyssey. I can understand the second game winning, but the first game wasn't even released on the PC.

They may have to change their name if RDR 2 is their pick.:lol:

Andrew23 December 19th, 2018 10:23

My GOTY is Kingmaker. By far best what I played not only this year.
MH World is sort of guilty pleasure for me. Somehow I dont know why
I spent relatively lot of time with such a game. Probably confirms to me
that value of the product is not just sum of its individual characteristics.

1. Kingmaker
2. Deadfire
3. MH: World

Feist December 19th, 2018 10:58

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Originally Posted by HiddenX (Post 1061547620)
For PC Gamer Pillars of Eternity 2: Deadfire "the Deadfire is a beguiling, strange, alien place, and uncovering its well-realised culture, politics, and history makes spending time there a delight. There are dozens of rounded, interesting characters to meet on your journey"

I really wish I could experience/love the PoE games the way some people seem able to.

Lol, it's a bit like going on multiple dates with someone who, in theory, *should* be just perfect for you, but no matter how hard you try you just can't hit it off and every date end up being a lukewarm experience. Not unpleasant, but no sparks, no magic in the air, no desire for more.

Finally, you just end up sharing a quick hug and agreeing to "keep in touch" even though you both know it won't happen. :-/

purpleblob December 19th, 2018 11:06

Well, my GOTY is Kingmaker :) not that I really played other games this year but considering Kingmaker is now one of my top 3 favs, I doubt other game would have pushed it off GOTY.

Still meaning to play Deadfire, waiting for a hefty sale. Was thinking of signing up for the Watch giveaway but thought maybe others may find it more enjoyable than I

Maylander December 19th, 2018 11:07

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Originally Posted by Couchpotato (Post 1061547678)
They may have to change their name if RDR 2 is their pick.:lol:

Good point! Didn't think of that. I guess it'll probably be AC: O then.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Feist (Post 1061547682)
I really wish I could experience/love the PoE games the way some people seem able to.

Lol, it's a bit like going on multiple dates with someone who, in theory, *should* be just perfect for you, but no matter how hard you try you just can't hit it off and every date end up being a lukewarm experience. Not unpleasant, but no sparks, no magic in the air, no desire for more.

Finally, you just end up sharing a quick hug and agreeing to "keep in touch" even though you both know it won't happen. :-/

PoE2 is vastly superior to PoE1 though.

Feist December 19th, 2018 11:24

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Originally Posted by Maylander (Post 1061547685)
PoE2 is vastly superior to PoE1 though.

Yeah, it's definitely better in many ways. Like I wrote, I feel like it's a game that I "should" love.

However, for some reason I just can't really get into that game-world and its mythos, or get attached to the characters and their personalities/stories, or become very interested in the main plotline (in either game).

With all of those things "missing", the only things left to enjoy are pure game mechanics, like area exploration, character development & combat. That goes quite a long way but not far enough to really love the game.

Andrew23 December 19th, 2018 11:27

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Originally Posted by Maylander (Post 1061547685)
Good point! Didn't think of that. I guess it'll probably be AC: O then.


PoE2 is vastly superior to PoE1 though.

Very true. As a backer and under strong hype influence I wanted to like PoE a lot. But way to finish the game was struggle and chore for me. Deadfire I did not back, but anyway went for it shortly after release. Its decent and much better game and if not for Kingmaker, I would probably play it right now (since Kingmaker release its on stand-by for me).

Giovanni1983 December 19th, 2018 11:38

Although i really liked PoE II and i don't get the hate it gets, i would probably say that Pathfinder is the better RPG this year, despite the bugs it had. Good thing is they seem to have fixed most of them at least, so it is in a perfectly playable state.

Couchpotato December 19th, 2018 11:58

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Originally Posted by Giovanni1983 (Post 1061547689)
Although i really liked PoE II and i don't get the hate it gets, i would probably say that Pathfinder is the better RPG this year, despite the bugs it had. Good thing is they seem to have fixed most of them at least, so it is in a perfectly playable state.

There will be more bugs as the new DLC and expansions get released. Also some of those hot-fixes have caused bugs when released, but yes it's playable at least.

Pessimeister December 19th, 2018 12:08

I was mildly disappointed with my first Pillars 2 playthrough on veteran (writing and main plot felt weaker, less interesting companions overall and combat was much too easy) but now that all of the DLC are out and the difficulty has been sufficiently tweaked, it's almost time to have a second look at the game.
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Originally Posted by Maylander (Post 1061547685)
PoE2 is vastly superior to PoE1 though.

I think it's subjective and not near as black and white as you state; but ultimately we've been there in previous discussions and will probably have to agree to disagree. Currently for me, the nature of the combat renders the game not on the same level as the first game. But naturally the DLC (notably the last one "The Forgotten Sanctum") should alleviate this problem somewhat. We'll see! :)

Maylander December 19th, 2018 12:36

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Originally Posted by Couchpotato (Post 1061547694)
There will be more bugs as the new DLC and expansions get released. Also some of those hot-fixes have caused bugs when released, but yes it's playable at least.

Yeah, my 2nd playthrough is currently on hold due to a game breaking bug near the end of the game. Mildly frustrating to say the least. "Luckily", I'm not the only one encountering it, as can be seen here, so I assume they'll be looking at it. No confirmation yet though.

Andrew23 December 19th, 2018 13:55

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Originally Posted by Maylander (Post 1061547700)
Yeah, my 2nd playthrough is currently on hold due to a game breaking bug near the end of the game. Mildly frustrating to say the least. "Luckily", I'm not the only one encountering it, as can be seen here, so I assume they'll be looking at it. No confirmation yet though.

Nasty glitch. Can imagine how frustrating it must be. Im glad I did not encounter anything like it so far. But I didnt make it to 5th chapter yet. As usually Im fighting (not very succesfully) with urge to try new and new characters which keeps me from progressing further :-).

PoE classes and overall character build was never so interesting to me. So I never had as strong urge to try different builds or multiclass or whatever. Maybe thats why I encountered more bugs in it then Kingmaker. Like when I pulled out from The Hanging Sepulchers as it seemed too tough for my level and when I returned back upon many hours I realised the entrance cannot be opened second time (even though I have key still in my inventory). Or when I realised I cannot change party members in tavern because its bugged. I think both was already fixed by Obsidian though :-).

wolfing December 19th, 2018 15:39

I'm currently playing PoE2 and it's just not grabbing me, at all. I don't know if it's because of the stat system which I hate, or that I don't care much for RTwP, but I'm almost forcing myself to continue playing it. The shortcut is there on the desktop, I should double-click it, but… meh.

forgottenlor December 19th, 2018 17:46

Pillars 2 and Kingmaker are in a tie for me at first place, but I'Ve only played some 30 hours of Kingmaker so far. KCD is my 3rd place. And I'll have to argue with the Potato. Battletech is more of an rpg than either X-Com game. Its an SRPG. That would be sitting at 4th place for me. I've also played/am playing Vigilantes, Insomnia, and Bard's Tale 4. I also hope to get around to Kenshi before its time to vote.

you December 19th, 2018 18:32

Sadly I haven't played yet so can't say much on the matter. Been waiting for the last dlc (which was release last week) and I'll probably wait for the dlc fixing patch that is bound to happen soon.

wolfgrimdark December 19th, 2018 19:16

The years go by so fast I am not even sure which games I got came out in which year at this point. But think this might be for this year and I agree with the post.

1 - POE2
2 - Kingmaker: Pathfinder
3 - none but if had to pick Insomina Ark if they would fix a few more things.

Top three favorite games of all time? Much harder but BG was finally displaced.

1 - DAO
2 - Skyrim
3 - FO4

rjshae December 19th, 2018 19:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Feist (Post 1061547687)
Yeah, it's definitely better in many ways. Like I wrote, I feel like it's a game that I "should" love.

However, for some reason I just can't really get into that game-world and its mythos, or get attached to the characters and their personalities/stories, or become very interested in the main plotline (in either game).

With all of those things "missing", the only things left to enjoy are pure game mechanics, like area exploration, character development & combat. That goes quite a long way but not far enough to really love the game.

I've really enjoyed certain parts of the game, such as Fort Deadlight and Splintered Reef. But the island nature of the setting makes it feel a bit scattered and disjointed. I'll probably appreciate it more during my second play-through.

BoboTheMighty December 19th, 2018 21:52

Meh to all isometric puppet flail about.

Kingdom Come was great and Vavra provided our Deliverance. :)

Hexprone December 19th, 2018 22:10

The fact that Deadfire had unlocked its final form before December 31 gives it the edge over Pathfinder for best of 2018 in my book.

Once Pathfinder is actually finished, maybe it'll be in the running for best of 2019.

axellslade December 20th, 2018 02:39

Fallout 76 for sure.

Edit: Sorry, thought it was the SOTY(Shame of the Year) awards.

Zloth December 20th, 2018 02:56

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Originally Posted by Couchpotato (Post 1061547640)
Also BattleTech is not an RPG.

Maybe a tactical RPG… maybe. But how do you say BT isn't and Valkyria Chronicles is an RPG?

Couchpotato December 20th, 2018 03:07

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Originally Posted by Zloth (Post 1061547794)
Maybe a tactical RPG… maybe. But how do you say BT isn't and Valkyria Chronicles is an RPG?

BattleTech is a turn-based strategy game with no role-playing. Valkyria Chronicles is a tactical role-playing game. Its not hard to spot or see the differences.

Heck Battletech is not even advertised as an RPG.
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BattleTech is a turn-based strategy video game developed by Harebrained Schemes and published by Paradox Interactive.
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Valkyria Chronicles 4 is a tactical role-playing game developed and published by Sega, with assistance from Media.Vision
So different genres once again where most cant see the difference.

rjshae December 20th, 2018 05:36

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Originally Posted by axellslade (Post 1061547791)
Fallout 76 for sure.

Edit: Sorry, thought it was the SOTY(Shame of the Year) awards.

We should have an annual "Bargain Bin Award" category for just such sub-par releases. Like the Razzies for movies.


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