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Dhruin March 27th, 2008 01:25

The Witcher - Enhanced Edition Interview @ RPS
 
CD Projekt Red's Michal Madej has spoken with Rock, Paper, Shotgun about The Witcher and the upcoming Enhanced Edition. Here's the definitive answer about the translation in the original release, which is improved in the new version:
Quote:

What caused the significant, let’s say “differences”, between the Polish and English dialogue in the original game?
It was hard lesson to be learned for us – the localization process. At beginning of the development we had to make production estimates for the amount of English text to be recorded, and we based it on our experiences with Polish localizations. The assumption we made was that, as Polish text after translation from English is usually about 20% longer, the reverse translation would be shorter by a similar amount. We just didn’t realize that we were using different measures – number of pages and number of words. Because of how the English language works out, the resulting translation was way too much for recording, which came into play at the very last stage of development. We had a really short time to edit all of the English dialogues, shortening them by 30%. So basically, the original translation was really good; it was just trimmed due to production.
More information.

Amasius March 27th, 2008 01:25

To much PR bullshit, but still worth reading.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Michal Madej
I think we were also a little faster in noticing that to compete with the more and more popular MMOs, you must offer a completely different experience. Many single-player RPGs still contain too many gameplay elements that are simply more exciting in a multiplayer game, like money grinding and random drops. Instead we focused on elements that just don’t play an important role in MMOs – a captivating storyline, meaningful choices, character interactions and emotions.

I just hope that more developers get it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by RPS
Would The Witcher would have been very different if made by a Western developer? Or do the fundamental mechanics of a strong roleplaying game outweigh such cultural differences?

Isn't that question unintentionally insulting for poles? As far as I know they consider themself as part of the western world (being catholic and all), only seperated from the West by the iron curtain for some decades. Madej dodges this part of the question, he only talks about other Polish, European or American devs.

Elwro March 27th, 2008 01:38

No, it's not insulting. Maybe some of us prefer to be Central Europe than Eastern Europe, but certainly we don't think we're Western Europe, or generally that we're part of the Western World (which in Poland traditionally meant countries west of Eastern Germany).

zahratustra March 27th, 2008 06:20

Well, as far as Poland is concerned "Eastern Europe" is wrong as an gegraphical description (Poland is located in Central Europe) and (since about 1990s) it also wrong as a political description. But nevermind Poland. Hungarians and Bulgars are called "Eastern Europeans" too. Silly? Yes. Insulting? No.

szokol March 27th, 2008 16:42

Bulgarians are really Eastern Europeans, because Bulgaria is in the eastern corner of Europe.
Here in Hungary we position ourselfs as Central Europeans.

magerette March 27th, 2008 18:43

Interesting discussion--as always the CDprojekt devs have no problem convincing me of their sincerity when they say "We want to make only perfect games."

Here's a UN map that breaks Europe up into subregions--and Poland is right on the eastern line of the division. Don't know if all in the region agree on it, though. :)

Roi Danton March 27th, 2008 20:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by magerette (Post 73486)
Interesting discussion--as always the CDprojekt devs have no problem convincing me of their sincerity when they say "We want to make only perfect games."

Here's a UN map that breaks Europe up into subregions--and Poland is right on the eastern line of the division. Don't know if all in the region agree on it, though. :)


That UN map hasn't anything to do with the reality and is only a place to start.
The UK and France (and of course the Republic of Ireland) are Western Europe, political and geographical. Germany, Switzerland and Austria are considered western nations in the political sense (as is Poland and Hungary and the Czech Republic) but geographical these nations are Central Europe (= mostly what was formerly part of the Holy Roman Empire). East of them begins the real eastern Europe. And of course there is the northern (Denmark, Norway, etc.) and the southern (Italy, Greece, Spain, etc) part of Europe.

magerette March 27th, 2008 20:38

Thanks, Roi Danton. With an area as rich and varied and complex in history as Europe, a map as you say, is mostly just a visual aid.

Tom Ohle March 27th, 2008 23:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amasius (Post 73380)
To much PR bullshit, but still worth reading.

Michal must have been trained well, then -- alas, my PR wand never really waved in the direction of that interview.

txa1265 March 28th, 2008 01:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom Ohle (Post 73530)
Michal must have been trained well, then -- alas, my PR wand never really waved in the direction of that interview.

Woot!~ The man is here … hide the women and children, the PR dude is in the house!

Congrats again Tom, and I really hope you can get the Witcher franchise even more attention! (though hopefully not by turning it into every product including a breakfast cereal and lunchbox like they are doing with Bioshock!)

Tom Ohle March 28th, 2008 01:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by txa1265 (Post 73557)
Congrats again Tom, and I really hope you can get the Witcher franchise even more attention! (though hopefully not by turning it into every product including a breakfast cereal and lunchbox like they are doing with Bioshock!)

Hmm… now I never even thought about lunchboxes. That might actually be cool. :)

zahratustra March 28th, 2008 03:24

Now look what have you done txa1265! Giving man IDEAS!!!! Witcher lunchbox!? Mind boggles! :D

Tom Ohle March 28th, 2008 04:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by zahratustra (Post 73564)
Now look what have you done txa1265! Giving man IDEAS!!!! Witcher lunchbox!? Mind boggles! :D

But really… of all the "bad" ideas he could have tossed out, I think a lunchbox would be pretty sweet in a retro swag kind of way. Obviously it wouldn't be something I'd try to sell (OR WOULD IT?! MUAHAHA -- see http://blogs.ign.com/Vandalizm for evidence of my capitalist ideals)… but if it's a cool limited-edition sort of thing for some media or fan event… hmmmmm. How about a Witcher codpiece?

Corwin March 28th, 2008 08:49

Now you're talking. Would it be part of a 'BOXed' set? :)

xSamhainx March 28th, 2008 20:38

Bust out some Witcher wolf medallions, there's an extra that would really rock

Greymane March 28th, 2008 21:29

Yeah Sam, medallions is good, but wouldn't a Witcher sword look nice hanging on the wall?!

magerette March 28th, 2008 22:41

But might be hard to get in the box. :)

zahratustra March 28th, 2008 22:58

Not if it will be "Swiss Army Sword" magerette :D

Wasn't medalion part of "Deluxe Edition" of the game? Dice set is not a bad idea but you have to remember that Dice Poker was strictly game dev's idea and does not appear in books. But how about a nice set of Witcher's elixirs in a box? It is described in Last Wish but vaguely enough to leave room for "artist licence" :).

Tom Ohle March 29th, 2008 00:06

If you check out that blog link I posted earlier, you'll see that a dice game is already available for purchase in Poland and is one of the things I'd like to bring to North America and elsewhere. And yeah, the medallion was part of the Developer's Edition of the game, and we gave them out at a number of press events -- they're in keychain form and are oddly not very practical as a keychain: they're heavy and very pokey, so they don't do well with pockets.

Witcher elixirs sounds cool, but may be difficult to really sell… like… what would they be? I could see it as a cool promotional item that has some vodka or something similar in each vial… hmm.

Elwro March 29th, 2008 00:12

A dice game has a clear advantage over a card game in terms of international 'portability' - the only thing you need to translate is the manual :-)

zahratustra March 29th, 2008 00:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom Ohle (Post 73740)
Witcher elixirs sounds cool, but may be difficult to really sell… like… what would they be? I could see it as a cool promotional item that has some vodka or something similar in each vial… hmm.

Yup, box doesn't have to be big. 4 or 5 vials would do it. But (if you really wanted an original promotion) I would go for unusual (but not yucky) alcohols and not your boring, everyday vodka. Unless you have an access to "Cat" or "Blizzard" potions :)

chamr March 29th, 2008 09:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by zahratustra (Post 73746)
not your boring, everyday vodka.

Eggzzactly! Make mine single malt scotch, please! Thanks. :)

Tom Ohle March 29th, 2008 17:37

Well obviously they'd be a bit more exotic… but we are a Polish company, so vodka (or wodka) is a pretty natural fit. I'll just make my own blends. Beware!

zahratustra March 29th, 2008 18:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom Ohle (Post 73861)
Well obviously they'd be a bit more exotic… but we are a Polish company, so vodka (or wodka) is a pretty natural fit. I'll just make my own blends. Beware!


Lol at least give them Soplica! As for your own blends…. does amber disolve in alcohol? Would be extremly Polish! :D

aries100 March 29th, 2008 21:53

Here's the qoute from RPS in its entirety:

Quote:

Originally Posted by RPS
RPS:
Would The Witcher would have been very different if made by a Western developer? Or do the fundamental mechanics of a strong roleplaying game outweigh such cultural differences?

Answer:
Cultural differences definitely have a great impact on the game. The Witcher would certainly have been different, even if it was made by another team in Poland. It might be quite similar if developed by another European company. It’d have been a completely different style of RPG if done by Americans. I can bet I’d never recognize it’s even “witcher-like” if the game had been made by a Japanese developer. I’m not even trying to imagine which would be better… but for sure they would be different. We didn’t want to make a “Polish game” as we did want to make it universal and accessible for everyone all over the world. But still we encouraged our designers to use our own culture as a base for ideas, as it’s something we understand the best and can use to make The Witcher unique. I think it’s a question that requires a much expansive answer.

It comes as no surprise to that a game from Central Europe of course has a Central European feel to it, just as Danish made game could have a Danish feel to it. The uniqueness of *the witcher* certainly comes from the fact that the game has been developed by a Polish (or European) game developer.


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