@purpleblob @Pladio @wolfgrimdark (anyone else in the beta?)
They opened the 2nd stage of the community quest, it's a bit different than the long Twitch.tv they did last time:
(it's probably worth checking the whole timeline with the link above)

Tragic Death

The party awakens to find the Cleric lying dead beside the campfire. The Barbarian is in shock. He kneels before the girl, and squeezes her cold hand. The Recruit is in tears. The Elf is aloof as always - nothing seems to faze her! And what about our Hero? A choice lies before him. He can either rally his comrades to face this new, unknown danger together, or he can lose trust in his companions.

Apparently it's on twitter, there are a series of posts with facts, questions and votes, note this:

Discuss your theories with the other players, and try to make your analysis as convincing and impartial as possible. The participants who make the best arguments, and are most active in the discussion, will receive prizes.

I'm not sure I understand this thing. Since I don't have Twitter I won't be able to join the voting though.

It's easy to setup an account, but it's nothing serious really, it's mostly to have fun like the previous vote :) Even without an account you should be able to see the thread from the link I gave above (https://twitter.com/OwlcatGames/stat…86440391385088). They present the facts for the 3 potential suspects.

But yes, it's a bit confusing in its presentation, Twitter has a structure but it's not always clearly shown (if there was a "tree" view, it would be easier).

I think it's mainly to have the fans interact and discuss there about the possibilities, the mystery in itself isn't very long, but has enough gaps to get different hypotheses I think. :)

I was confused about what this is about too - as Redglyph said, its just a fun mini game Owlcat is using to engage with fans. Depending on fan input, the outcome of trailer will change for this mini game thingo but it has no impact on actual WotR game itself.

Thanks both. I'll probably skip it :D

I'm surprised so many think Baolo is not suspect at all. People just hate elves ;)

Seems to have had a couple decent updates so venturing in tonight with a new character to poke around for a bit. Held off while the initial launch was done. Hope those playing beta are enjoying it!

Already liking little things, like the very start of making a character:

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/…cd4c5cf9_o.png

The point is that by knowing 15, you can prepare for a wider variety of situations. Think of like packing. You don't take the same stuff with you to the beach as you to do hike in the mountains. You still own all that stuff, but you can't carry it all at the same time.

Thanks
Make sense.

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I've been playing my evil character a bit more today and I think it's not something many people have done as there are more bugs with this one.

Small things mostly, but more than when playing the standard Chaotic Good I play.

A quick hint : Don't be so quick to take on the Mythic paths in dialogues. Very interesting things can happen when you don't.

Or at least, very different things.

Evil must be more difficult to play and to implement in an interesting way, I suppose. I could never make an evil character, or at least bring myself to try. Maybe one day.

You mean, trying all the other replies before those with a mythic path?

Those mythic paths are tricky. I was wondering why I couldn't see the Desna altar at the Lost Chapel. It turns out I may have missed the Azata path :/


I'll continue and see if I can still get back on track, otherwise I'll just choose another one. Perhaps Angel isn't too bad for a cleric, even it sounds like the default path, or Aeon if I'm allowed to.

But I'll need to replay the beginning carefully and verify those points.

I meant that sometimes the mythic path does not offer the best solution.



Oh and yeah I never play evil. Last time I tried it was with knights of the old Republic and failed miserably. It doesn't work for me but I wanted to see the demonic path a bit on this one.

I want to know more about the Gold Dragon path and the Legendary Mythic, where you don't get any divine power but are just a legendary human/race. I have heard very little about Gold Dragon. Maybe you can't choose it till much later.

Azata would be my favorite except for on thing - you get this friendly little dragon as a companion. Sure it sounds cool and the dragon is nice enough and all … but I already have an animal companion I am bonded with. Party is already crowded.

So may consider Legendary or Gold Dragon. Angel … I don't know too Paladin like and can't stand the stench of self-righteousness that comes with Paladins or Angels. Too holy. Don't want any of the evil ones though and Aeon sounds too cold and impartial.

So limits things down. Trickster mainly but while I thought I would like that wasn't really into what I saw of it in Beta. I tend to play basically a good guy focused more on freedom and neutral to chaos. Azata fits that perfect. Gold Dragon also sounds like it fits in well. Lengendary I assume would be whatever my own alignment is.

But its very unclear how you would go about the legendary. Maybe say no to every Mythic option to side with a mythic? Meaning just level up pure mythic, with no allegiance to any other.

I restarted so will see.

@Pladio - If that is the one I am thinking of its less going with Mythic and more simply having different approaches, which occurs all the time mythic or otherwise. In this case there is a mythic connection. I don't always take mythic dialogue because it doesn't always fit my character.

I quickly checked.

You can save Ramien without killing Hulrun if you do it before the battle of the Defender's Heart. Then you can take care of the 3 adepts (and proceed to the steps that lead to the Azata path).

If you do it after, you can either kill Hulrun to save Ramien, and find the 3 adepts. Or you can let Hulrun kill Ramien and still find the 3 adepts.

I've posted about this elsewhere before - basically, 3 mythics not in beta (legend, gold dragon and swarm) aren't available until much later in game (like chapter 5 I assume). Basically, you start off as 1 of 6 mythic available in beta then can change into 1 of 3 mythics available later if you meet requirements. This isn't confirmed by devs but I suspect there will be redemption/corruption path available too (e.g. demon mythic --> gold dragon etc).

Each mythic is apparently designed with specific alignment in mind (again, not confirmed by devs):
LG - gold dragon
NG - angel
CG - azatas
LN - aeon
TN - legend
CN - trickster
Evil - demon, lich and swarm (don't know which one is which specific evil alignmenet lol)

It's always good to clear market place first to pick up all quests - also saves on travel time.

I knew Defender's Heart one is time sensitive so I barely rested and pushed on by drinking potions. I think they forwarded timer in beta - it triggered before I cleared all areas in Kenabres (execept for Gray Garrison) which I could in alpha.

Yup, I mean there's a very good outcome of you don't pick that trickster path.

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I started chap4 of the beta today and it's so atmospheric! I think it's going to be a long chapter though, so it will be a while before I finish it (I think I sunk in just under 60 hours of beta so far… and that's after rushing through chap 1 and 2 because I've already played both multiple times during my alpha runs).

I'm far behind :p Just went to Daeran's birthday, it's nice :)

That is one of the ways to distract Dae but I think the journal is not updating correctly - I reported it as a bug

EDIT: cancelled, see post below


@Pladio @wolfgrimdark and anyone in the beta (Purple has already done it) :)
Owlcat Games has put a survey post in their forums (direct link)

There are questions for each act so it's probably best to wait until the end of an act before filling it in. I don't know when they want the results though, they seem unsure themselves, I suppose they'll say when it's about to be finished.

I've only played through the first act though..

Maybe not worth the trouble? Though I suppose it can't hurt. They say it's long, but only if you have all the acts to survey.

I'm waiting until the end of act 3 so I haven't seen the questions (hope it's not too hard, lol).

Scratch that :S

Yea glad I waited on the survey. Been too busy.

One of the devs pretty much confirmed current beta save won't be compatible with update in April, since lots more content will be added to beta then.

Ah well. Perfect excuse to restart something else. But that's a long way for you if you want to redo everything until ch4 to overcome the current issues…

Like you said, its a good opportunity to try something new - once the update hits in April, I will start my bloodrager lich run. Even if I don't end up getting to chap3-4, at least I will get to experience a new class I never played before :)

Finished my beta run after 75+ hours - it was real fun :)

Now, I need to start brainstorming for the preview. Hopefully I can finish it before beta version 2 hits in April!

Well done!

It's very promising, so far I had a lot of fun too :)
And it's not small either, what would be your guess, in comparison to Kingmaker and knowing there are more acts to come? Won't that be more or less similar in length?

With that depth in lore and mechanics, I'm wondering if that wouldn't be better to make it a bit shorter and take more time to polish everything (or put more C&C). Wouldn't that give more replay value? There are so many interesting classes to try!

But I suspect it's just me, and many people are not afraid to replay a 100-150+ hour game, I'm quite slow too because I'm checking all the little corners - you saw how I missed things when I don't ;), replaying parts to see the alternatives, and so on.

I'd much prefer it being a 50 hour game with more replayability than it being 150 hours.

There's no way I'll ever replay a game that long. If I even ever finish it.

The rough split of hours per chapter should be something like this:

Prologue + chapter 1 = 15 hours
Chapter 2 = 15 hours
Chapter 3 = 25 hours to 30 hours
Chapter 4 = 15 houts to 20 hours

There are still 2 more chapters to go with WotR so I suspect it will be roughly the same length as Kingmaker.

However, while Kingmaker gametime was bloated due to kingdom management, WotR has much less "filler" content. So in essense, more meaningful contents which kept me interested the whole time. Mythic story line really does add to replayability (each path gives off different vibe) but I think the general plot itself is engaging on its own.

So yes, while some may find 100+ hours too long for replay they will get plenty of enjoyment from a singleplay through. And who knows, they might find mythic too fun they will decide to replay the game after all ;)

Personally, I think the game begs for replay as different mythic also gives more information on certain part of the plot (i.e. you will discover something new that relates to the main plot each time you play different mythic.

Anyway, stay tuned! I will try to describe things better in my preview :)

Thanks! :)

Good point!

Kingmaker had dead periods in which the user had to spend the whole time in kingdom management to trigger the next chapter. That's what I experienced anyway. If that is replaced by real content, it's a step in the right direction :)

Time is limited though, so even if that's interesting, I would find it difficult to commit to another 100+ hours - maybe less with the experience and by rushing some parts, but still a lot. That's even more cruel considering all the good features to explore!

I'd like to see an option to start a new character, for example, at chapter 3 / level 9, quickly select the few important story choices that should have been made before, the mythic path, and do the pending level ups. It's not the same as living in the skin of the characters while they're growing up, but it would allow us to explore more of the game, and make Owlcat's efforts to give us a complex game so much more worthwhile.

I think respec option will easily solve this problem (which I suspect will be done by either modders or Owlcats themselves) - if you make a save file right before you lock in mythic path for the first time, then you can respec your race, class and alignment using this save to choose whatever mythic you want to choose for the future playthroughs. Since you get to lock in mythic path towards end of chapter 2, that will save you roughly about 30 hours of gameplay.

I think prologue to chapter 2 deserves at least 1 replay though, as you may not get to fully explore all contents in 1st playthrough.

Also, I'd say don't get too intimidated by the playtime - it also accounts for the time you spend to plan out build for all your characters (which is real fun with so many options available to you) and the playtime will vary depending on how fully you explore everything (some may choose not to read all the lore stuff or may even skip some puzzles and hidden contents).

My beta playtime is based on completionist run approach :)

Glad you enjoyed it, and I look forward to reading your preview.

You're going to play through it all again next month? I wish I could find a game I enjoy that much. I can't bring myself to replay a game that soon no matter how good it was.

Thanks! :)

Yes, I will be replaying beta again when the beta2 hits. It's really fun trying out all different classes and mythic builds/story.

I have to admit though, I wish I don't have to replay prologue to chapter 2 anymore since I played prologue and chapter 1 like 5 times and chapter 2 much more than that (because pre-alpha was chapter 2 only).

Well, you don't have to be envious of me :P I have very specific taste in game so I don't end up enjoying many games - so while others get to enjoy variety of games I only end up playing a few games over and over again :P

It's officially on Good Old Games \o/

https://www.gog.com/game/pathfinder_…_the_righteous

Nothing really for now, but you can already wishlist it ;)

Little heads-up: I had a lot of synchronization problems with Kingmaker's saved files on GOG, because they're huge. That's only if you synchronize with the cloud, if you keep them locally there shouldn't be any problem.

So be aware of this little issue if you choose GOG :-/

BTW, I'm wondering whether we can choose where to get it, when we pre-order it on their website?

EDIT: from the answer some people got, we'll have the choice

Yeah you should be able to choose between Steam and GoG :)