Dragon Age 4 - Return of the Grey Wardens
 

@PCGamesN Some new concept art for Dragon Age 4 shows a picture of the Grey Wardens.

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Meh. I hope that they somehow return to the root of the series since DA:O was the only good game in the series, but I don't expect it. In fact, I have very low expectations for DA4. This is unfortunate since DA:O is one of my favorite games…

I recently replayed the most recent DA:I and it's the best in the series, though not by a huge amount. DA2 was okay but not what I would consider good, and while DA:O was good DA:I is just better in my view. I'm looking forward to DA4.

Keeping my fingers crossed DA4 won't be riddled with woke.

Oh no!
I hope it goes woke to the max just to annoy you and your ilk.
(Besides which, DA isn't my jam :p)

Yes, once again, there is only one Dragon Age game, that being origins. I detect shenanigans here!

Also on topic of woke here you go.:p

Dragon Age doesn't need to replace its disabled protagonist - Eurogamer

Oh yeah and by the way since this is obligatory with every BioWare thread. I have to say say for the 1000's time I enjoyed playing every Dragon Age and Mass Effect game.

So get over yourselves you damn boomers.:kiss:

Whenever someone says "boomer" I just think of one of those exploding zombie types that are in every zombie horde game ever.
I think I'm gen X. Apparently there's a gen Z? What happened to Y? Who comes up with these names?

I haven't even finished the first DA. What I played was "okay", so I guess I'll get around to it before I die, but I'm unlikely to bother with DA2. Is DA3 (whatever that is) better than DA2? Because I've heard lots of bad about DA2…

Who the hell knows I was just going with the whole woke topic. Seems boomer came from a few young idiots on the internet calling old people over 50+ to shut up.We apparently ruined the world for them.:biggrin:
Yeah everything negative you read about DA2 is true. :nod:

David Gaider did a retrospective about it's troubled development.

Link - https://www.gameinformer.com/2021/04…out-working-on

Moving on I enjoyed DA:I but again the negatives are true. It's filled with to much filler. ME 3's ending didn't bother me, and ME:A was a surprise hit for me after it's patches.

The first was my favorite too by a long shot. I actually enjoyed DA2 even if it wasn't as good, it still had it's moments. DA:I was a big miss for me though even though I really wanted to like it. I just couldn't get over how they removed the tactics system so I didn't feel like I had any control over for my party members. That just killed it for me.

I really actually liked DA 1 and 2. I wasn't as sure about how I felt about 3 and I don't know why that is. Maybe the game became too generic or massive somehow? I honestly don't know. (Did they call DA 3 "Inquisitive" ? - I forget.)

Cool premise and storyline and weird little differences in the fantasy world, I loved the downtrodden elves and the religious inquisition/persecution against magic themes.

You're not missing much imo. The first game was the best, and it was still a significant step backwards in a lot of ways compared to Baldur's Gate 1 & 2.

DA2 is kind of a mess. I hear the story is actually decent, but I couldn't force myself to play past the first chapter.

I didn't play much of Inquisition either. It didn't take me long to see it was packed full of generic filler quests in the same way as ME: Andromeda. At least I found the combat in ME:A fun though. I can't say the same about DA:I.

strangely, i feel a sudden pang of exhaustion when i see the words "Dragon Age 4"

It's more like hearing from you uncle again who's talking again vaguely about somewhen giving you that great present for your last birthday, but you realize that his recent presents haven't been so great at all. ;)

Boomer to me is an expulsion of gas. A baby boomer is something else entirely.

Ok, boomer :D

I liked all the DA games but my play throughs clearly show my preference:

DAO - 5 times completely, 3 times with all DLC
DA2 - 3 times completely, 1 with one dlc, didn't get all DLC
DAI - 1 time completely no DLC, loaded late save to do "ending" DLC then quit half way through the DLC. Started second game and got maybe 1/2 through and was burnt out so stopped. Thinking of reinstalling again and giving it another shot though. Maybe with a couple of mods and a good ReShade.

Granted my main issue with DAI, besides feeling a little grindy at times, was how they changed conversations. I don't know why it matters so much to me, as it shouldn't, but I detest the "click on this spot on the screen to initiate a conversation" interface. This came up a lot in the DLC where you confront Solas. I detested going around and seeing little places to click that would then start a conversation. It just felt so fake to me.

I was playing that DLC and by the third time that came up I was so annoyed I removed the whole game and read the ending for the DLC on Wiki and watched a video clip.

I am still interested enough to watch what DA4 will be like. If it goes back to being a SP focus, less grindy, then I am sure I will get it if only because I have played the other 3 and want to see what happens.

No more "Rise To Power !!!111eleven" stuff ?

I will continue to mock all Dragon age games not named origins, yet that one I'll continue to play forever. It's such an excellent game, and a tribute as to just how glorious the series could have been, yet was not.

Just call it BioWare Pre-EA and when the doctors still controlled the company. Since after the acquisition/merger by EA and the doctors left the studio, the quality shifted.

I like all 3 of DA 1-3 - they are all good IMO, just different, which is probably also good, otherwise the complainers would be complaining that all 3 were copies of each other.

I'm just hoping for more of the same - more "DA-ness" (single player RPG without idiotic complications like forced online, Origin or w/e it is now required, co-op, game as service, Paradox DLC onslaught). Really no clue what to expect from some big games these days other than it's probably going to suck in some annoying way, most likely that has nothing to do with the actual game itself.

I'd be fine with any and all big RPGs ditching the entire romance thing. Call mommy for a hug or watch some porn - romancing pixels is too far beyond sad.

@Voqar agree with every point you made above. Though romance is probably here to stay though as most of the BioWare fans expect it in every game. It' even in BG III.

The online part has actually been dropped due to the backlash with Anthem's failure.

Link - https://www.extremetech.com/gaming/3…ry-multiplayerDA4 was also finished a few years back but development was scrapped & rebooted for those online aspects that are now being pulled from newer games. Talk about idiotic.

Link - https://www.dualshockers.com/dragon-…ment-rebooted/

That era of BioWare was "woke" before "woke" was even really a thing. It's even a little quaint in light of where we are now. I generally am a little more lenient for it because of that, I view it as part of the product I'd be buying into. Grandfathered in, if you will. It's not Duke Nukem suddenly using proper pronouns we're talking about here.

First Dragon Age is the best of the three, in my opinion, as it was given the most time to bake. The reviled sequel isn't actually *that* bad if you imagine it as Dragon Age: The Hawke Chronicles and think of Inquisition as the real sequel.

Inquisition seems like a good story game buried under a slog of side content. I actually just tried getting through it again, really do want to finish it one of these days.

I don't really care about any perceived wokeness or whether or not their games have a multiplayer component. I don't think either of those things are the problem. The problem is that their games just haven't been very good (Imo) for a long time.

I never understood the outrage from some people over ME3 and ME:A having a multiplayer component or DA:I having co-op. There's nothing that makes me think the single-player would somehow have been better if the multiplayer wasn't there.

I have seen the opposite, too. People constantly asking for an MP mode for the Drakensang games, for example.

I remember years ago there was an employee of Bioware who suggested that their games should include a story mode where all or most of the combat is removed and you just get to make the narrative choices & possibly do the noncombat portions of quests.

As one might expect, there was lots of outrage, and IIRC she got death threats etc for daring to suggest an optional story mode.

But I would personally love it if Dragon Age games let me bypass the combat. I liked DA: O story but the combat was extremely tedious and there was so many darkspawn… And DA2 made combat even worse to the point where I've had no interest in getting DA:I.

Of course it'd also be great if it had a combat system I enjoyed but considering their tendency to make their games increasingly action / console style I don't have any hope of that. Maybe the story could be decent… IDK, but I won't suffer through hours of bland tedious gameplay for even the best of stories.

Gen Y exists, but is usually called Millenials instead.

DA:I's OK if you can ignore the filler quests. Might even be a better storyline than the original once you've got all the DLC. It's a way better game than ME:A and also, its filler is nowhere near as bad as ME:A's, although it may not look that way at the very start of DA:I.

Wow….I never thought of the Origins combat as boring. Honestly, it's some of the most enjoyable combat I've ever played in a video game.

IF somehow they can skip the console crap the likes of camera and controls maybe fined a proper way to make a party RpG without MMO stuffings like DA 3 maps with markers and shameful sidequests hubs - exploration full of grindy, hp spongy respawning enemies.
OW lets not forget the disaster of max 8 skill slots that single handedly murdered DA 3 if somehow anyone could stomach the MMo crap they were stuffing you with.

Well, maybe they can at the same time write a simple advatures story that translates well into fellowship, sure IF they can do that it's gonna be a good one… But looking at it now after DA 2 swooping enemies from the sky jeez and what now days people think of as a good rpg. After all i just wached a trailer with a squirrel that used a toilet brush as a sword?!?! yeah it's a big IF.

Can you not disable those options in a menu of some sort? Like being able to see quest objectives and such? I detest when those things are in a game, it completely destroys the exploration factor, right after disabling audio and enabling subtitles I knock those away as well, if the option is present.

I'll probably give it another try someday. I only played through part of the Hinterlands, but it didn't grab me at all.

That means I'll probably have to try to get through DA2 too which I'm not looking forward to. :)

I don't believe that there is any reason to play DA2 before DA:I. I never played it and didn't feel like missing any story needed for DA:I.

That's quite interesting, as the entire plot in DA: I is a direct consequence of DA2, such as Templar vs Mage and the origin of Corypheus. Also, characters like Varric are from DA2.

Since I had already played DA2 when I played DA: I, I never really paid attention to whether or not the intro exposition covered all of it, but I guess it might cover enough.

Good lord people, I've no idea what the most recent game is like but surely no one is near desperate enough to try and play Dragon age the second. Honestly, fire up pong, tetris or asteroids first, you'll thank me later.

Never too soon

The entire series is Templars vs Mages. He'll figure out who Varric is easily enough.

I agree with bkreuger that there's no particular reason to play DA2 first, especially if you're dreading it.

I played enough of DA2 to remember Cassandra and Varric. That's one of the reasons I felt like maybe I was missing something by not finishing it… since both of them are introduced immediately in DA:I and made obvious that they're major characters.