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danutz_plusplus August 12th, 2021 22:29

GTA / RDR Possible Remakes
 
This is an interesting piece of news/rumours.

https://kotaku.com/the-gta-remastere…omi-1847474620
https://twitter.com/Nibellion/status…80801137287176
https://twitter.com/Nibellion/status…83328314544128

I'm not particularly interested in the GTA 3, Vice City and San Andreas remakes, though I would like to replay them and maybe finish them all (only finished Vice City). Especially if they plan on redoing the awful RC airplanes and helicopter controls.

But what interests me more is the mentioned remake, if the GTAs sell well enough, of RDR1. That's be amazing to see it on PC. But I give that even less credence. Plus I can't imagine it being a small enough effort to redo them all in the Unreal Engine. So, actually this is looking even less plausible, now that I think about it.

But it's nice to dream.

JFarrell71 August 12th, 2021 23:50

A remaster is a very different animal from a remake.

Couchpotato August 12th, 2021 23:53

Yeah I could see Rockstar doing remasters as they are easier. Remakes on the other-hand are more costly as you have to redo the game from scratch in a new engine.

mprod August 13th, 2021 00:11

I hold San Andreas as the best GTA if they can remake it with better graphics sure but I donīt need it
I would like some updates though last time I played it a few months ago the different driving schools were impossible to finish which locked out all the races

joxer August 13th, 2021 00:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by Couchpotato (Post 1061650753)
Yeah I could see Rockstar doing remasters as they are easier. Remakes on the other-hand are more costly as you have to redo the game from scratch in a new engine.

Unless that engine is Gamebryo that hasn't changed since Jesus lived.

I've played only GTA5 and RDR2.
Both games are so boring I really don't feel anything towards these remakes or remasters - no way I'm gonna buy any.

Maybe if I was 12 or 13 when I played those, maybe, not saying for sure, maybe those wouldn't be as boring.
The mature content in these games felt forced to me. Added not because of the story or something fun, but because maturity sells.

Carnifex August 13th, 2021 03:39

I don't really care for the actual games these days, yet if they release a soundtrack for San Andreas, I'd snatch that bad boy straight up!!

JDR13 August 13th, 2021 14:29

I couldn't care less about the GTA games, but I would love to see a remaster of RDR 1. Even better if they port it to PC.

I still have it on PS3, but I never played very far, and that version hasn't aged well imo.

Carnifex August 13th, 2021 17:43

Nod, I have it for my Playstation three as well, played it to death for a solid month, yet have never replayed it. I'd grab it should the game ever be released for us computer folk, for sure.

danutz_plusplus August 13th, 2021 17:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carnifex (Post 1061650827)
Nod, I have it for my Playstation three as well, played it to death for a solid month, yet have never replayed it. I'd grab it should the game ever be released for us computer folk, for sure.

I played it and liked it a lot, until you start needing to aim with a controller, while on horseback. Gave up at that point, and always hoped for a PC release.

JDR13 August 13th, 2021 22:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by danutz_plusplus (Post 1061650828)
I played it and liked it a lot, until you start needing to aim with a controller, while on horseback. Gave up at that point, and always hoped for a PC release.

I didn't have too much trouble using the Dualshock controller, but I agree K+M would probably be better.

For me though, it's more about the visuals. After seeing RDR 2, it's hard to go back to the first game.

Ripper August 13th, 2021 22:54

I kind of weirdly enjoyed the clunky controls. It kind of felt like developing a new skill, being able to control a horse while shooting through a hangman's rope. The game starts to throw you a bone as you progress, and lets you slow time to target multiple shots like a boss.

danutz_plusplus August 13th, 2021 23:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ripper (Post 1061650844)
I kind of weirdly enjoyed the clunky controls. It kind of felt like developing a new skill, being able to control a horse while shooting through a hangman's rope. The game starts to throw you a bone as you progress, and lets you slow time to target multiple shots like a boss.

Yeah, I noticed the slow time upgrade. But I believe they then change it from a slow time and shoot, to slow and mark or something? And I constantly somehow end up marking the same target more than once, and this way I waste ammo and time. Anyway, I just completely lose my patience in games where I have to aim with a controller. It's just mind-numbing that console gamers have accepted this.

The only console game where I really had no choice and managed to force myself to finish it was Last of Us 1. And thank god Last of Us 2 has an accessibility option to start slow-time when you aim down sights, and thus gives you a chance to not just be awful. Every game should have that feature, as far as I'm concerned.

Ripper August 13th, 2021 23:51

Yeah, it's a weird thing, and I've only kind of enjoyed the awkwardness of the controls a couple of times. The other big one I remember was Goldeneye, on the clunky N64 controller. At that point, I already had the idea of KBM controls for an FPS. But I got a certain satisfaction from pulling off sniper shots with a wobbly thumbstick.

Carnifex August 14th, 2021 03:39

I think the N64 controller was my all-time favourite, it seemed to fit the best in my hand out of all the controllers I've tried. And Goldeneye, one of the best games ever, imo. The controllers out these days just don't do the job for me.

Shagnak August 14th, 2021 03:52

Vice City was my favourite GTA, so I'm totally down for a remaster of that. San Andreas was the one I liked least, mainly because I found the gang-banger stuff less interesting and the mini-game stuff tedious. (I'd still play a remaster of that though!)

JFarrell71 August 14th, 2021 04:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shagnak (Post 1061650863)
Vice City was my favourite GTA, so I'm totally down for a remaster of that. San Andreas was the one I liked least, mainly because I found the gang-banger stuff less interesting and the mini-game stuff tedious. (I'd still play a remaster of that though!)

It's a long way off, but the next GTA will evidently be set in Vice City.

JDR13 August 14th, 2021 04:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by JFarrell71 (Post 1061650864)
It's a long way off, but the next GTA will evidently be set in Vice City.

Interesting. I wonder what era it's going to take place in. I thought the 1980's vibe was one of the best things about the original. I'm not sure I'd be interested in revisiting that location in the modern day.

Lolozaur August 14th, 2021 09:26

Hundreds of hours spent in those 3 GTA, some good memories, gta3 remains my favorite, i was lucky enough to play them around the pc release dates.
These 3 games are a good example how a real sequel needs to be done, gta 3 was quite simple but vice city brought many improvements and new things, and san andreas brought many things compared to VC.

danutz_plusplus October 8th, 2021 17:57

Seemes the GTA 3 rumours were indeed correct.

https://www.polygon.com/22713238/gra…date-platforms

GTA 3, Vice City and San Andreas are coming to modern systems. Rumours had it that it would be running on UE4, but I don't see any confirmation for this yet.

I'm kind of pleasantly surprised. I only managed to finish Vice City, and it was a lot of fun. San Andreas was also fun, but I got stuck on some shitty remote controlled mission, and the shitty controls effectively made it impossible for me to advance. But it was hilarious for as long as I played it. If they all run properly on PC I might try them all again.

Redglyph October 8th, 2021 19:57

I've always found the GTA series quite hollow, just a sandbox with poor memory (just do a 360 and the vehicles have changed) with a short story. It's fun to play in the sandbox, but it quickly becomes boring.

I could only play a little of RDR since it was a console game and I don't have a console, but I would probably given it a try if it had been ported to PC.

danutz_plusplus October 8th, 2021 20:15

The story and dialogue is usually what grabs me in GTA games. They range from decent to pretty good. Also the amount of effort that goes into building a city. I especially love the detail in the various radio stations. I remember laughing pretty hard at the various talks shows.

Vice City was especially good since it's basically a recreation of Scarface. And the music and setting is awesome. GTA 4 I never managed to get very far, though I liked it, since the Windows version was attrocious, especially with that shitty Games for Windows Live integration. I also remember it running like crap on not-so-powerful CPUs. I also never managed to finish 5. Though I found it hilarious, especially Trevor. He's amazing as a cartoon character.

One thing you cannot deny is the amount of work and effort that goes into their games. But the biggest of these is still Red Dead Redemption 2. That's one ginormous game with so much work put into it.

I'm really curios what they're cooking with GTA 6. It's bound to be a laugh.

joxer October 8th, 2021 21:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by Redglyph (Post 1061658557)
I've always found the GTA series quite hollow, just a sandbox with poor memory (just do a 360 and the vehicles have changed) with a short story. It's fun to play in the sandbox, but it quickly becomes boring.

I could only play a little of RDR since it was a console game and I don't have a console, but I would probably given it a try if it had been ported to PC.

I played only GTA5 and share exactly the same impression.
The game got boring fast.
The story is like a bad script from Hollywood trash movies and you are playing an uber driver - luckily there are taxis to mitigate that boredom when you are not doing a so called random encounter where all are pretty much the same annoying rubbish.
Add to it horrible helicopter controls and I can't recommend that game to anyone.

RDR2 is even more boring.
Some say RDR1 was not that boring, but it's not on PC so I can't check.

In any case I am not buying another GTA game ever again.

EDIT:
Sorry, now I see I wrote this two months ago. Forgot.
Ah well… Won't delete the post.

JDR13 October 8th, 2021 22:38

Fwiw, RDR 1 is supposedly completely playable on PC via emulation now. I haven't tried it myself, but there are some YouTube videos where it looks really good running on RPCS3.

henriquejr October 8th, 2021 22:54

I don't know if this was posted here on RPGWatch. If it already was, sorry for repeating the info.

Grand Theft Auto: The Trilogy will be removed from digital stores next week.

Yes, it's due to the upcoming remake.

@HiddenX @Redglyph @Silver, if you think this is news-worthy then go ahead :)

Couchpotato October 9th, 2021 01:31

Based on the various articles I was correct they are remasters not remakes.
Quote:

Originally Posted by Couchpotato (Post 1061650753)
Yeah I could see Rockstar doing remasters as they are easier. Remakes on the other-hand are more costly as you have to redo the game from scratch in a new engine.

Quote:

Rockstar’s collection promises “across-the-board upgrades including graphical improvements and modern gameplay enhancements” for all three games, “while still maintaining the classic look and feel of the originals.” Rockstar promises more details in the coming weeks, and warns that it will begin removing existing versions of those classic GTA games from digital retailers next week..
Quote:

Originally Posted by henriquejr (Post 1061658592)
I don't know if this was posted here on RPGWatch. If it already was, sorry for repeating the info.

Grand Theft Auto: The Trilogy will be removed from digital stores next week.

Yes, it's due to the upcoming remake.

Yep makes sense they want to push the newer versions across all platforms instead.

Ivanwah October 9th, 2021 02:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by joxer (Post 1061658571)
The story is like a bad script from Hollywood trash movies and you are playing an uber driver

That is kind of the point of GTA series, it is thematically a satire of American pop culture. You are supposed to laugh with it, not at it.

joxer October 9th, 2021 05:37

Sadly I wasn't laughing at all.
Instead, I was rolling my eyes.

I mean, who wrote the stuff in GTA5? Kindergarden kids? No, I bet even younger kids did.

Marketing worth 250million and online casino sells.
And well, I stepped on the turd. Happens.
Won't do it again.

danutz_plusplus October 15th, 2021 17:00

https://twitter.com/Alcoholikaust/st…21596069507080

Hope this is true. I really don't want to get them on the rockstar launcher.

Ivanwah October 15th, 2021 17:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by danutz_plusplus (Post 1061659382)
https://twitter.com/Alcoholikaust/st…21596069507080

Hope this is true. I really don't want to get them on the rockstar launcher.

Them being on Steam doesn't mean they won't use their launcher as well.

danutz_plusplus October 15th, 2021 17:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ivanwah (Post 1061659383)
Them being on Steam doesn't mean they won't use their launcher as well.

That's fine. I expect it will, like all their other games. I don't mind that much. I just want it on the steam store.

JDR13 October 15th, 2021 21:33

Yeah, I expect it simply means dual launchers like if you own an Ubisoft or Origin game on Steam.

Personally, I hate that. What's the point of having it on Steam if you still have to log in to their proprietary launcher? I guess it could matter to someone if they really care about the achievements, but I can't think of any other reason.

Couchpotato October 15th, 2021 21:39

The games will of course use the rock star launcher which is their own online DRM, VMProtect, and of course Arxan Anti-Tamper. All three combined as usual once again.

I still remember the drunk effect if you used a crack with GTA 4 before it was fixed.:lol:

denchikchyb October 16th, 2021 19:33

The most interesting rumor is that, like in the new part of the game, they want to do censorship

denchikchyb October 17th, 2021 12:09

Honestly, remakes of the game interest me the least.
I really want to see and play a new part of the game, but so far, unfortunately, even the release date of the new part is not available. But there are a lot of rumors, and where there are rumors, there is some truth.

danutz_plusplus October 22nd, 2021 16:45

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D71cBUeAL58
https://twitter.com/Nibellion/status…25630529622017

Not too shabby. Pretty decent looking actually. The originals really haven't aged that well.

JDR13 October 22nd, 2021 21:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by danutz_plusplus (Post 1061660304)
Not too shabby. Pretty decent looking actually. The originals really haven't aged that well.

It's not the worst remaster I've seen, but it doesn't look like they did much with the models. Lighting looks nice though. I might get it just for Vice City.

danutz_plusplus October 22nd, 2021 21:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by JDR13 (Post 1061660343)
It's not the worst remaster I've seen, but it doesn't look like they did much with the models. Lighting looks nice though. I might get it just for Vice City.

Yeah, and apparently they really want us to pay through the nose. 60$ for the whole trilogy, and I assume you can't buy them individually. And so they got themselves a full price AAA game sold again. Kinda sucky of them, imo. I would have imagined 30$ tops.

https://twitter.com/TezFunz2/status/1451511665946681348

Quote:

Grand Theft Auto: The Trilogy – The Definitive Edition is available for pre-order for $59.99.

JDR13 October 22nd, 2021 21:59

Yeah, I definitely won't be paying $60. I guess it could be worthwhile to fans of the series, but I was never that into GTA. I just liked cruising around Vice City once in awhile and listening to some tunes.

JFarrell71 October 22nd, 2021 23:24

Played them. Wake me up when GTA VI is released.

Shagnak October 23rd, 2021 01:42

That price is a bit steep, but I wouldn't mind playing III and Vice City again. [looks at that Gamepass thingy…]


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