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joxer September 8th, 2021 20:08

Comments in hints thread again?
People please.
Quote:

Originally Posted by Maylander (Post 1061653733)
If you intend to play on higher difficulties, do yourself a favor and recruit a few mercenaries early on, when they're still not too expensive, to fill a few obvious roles (primarily Bard and Cleric, but a Sorcerer might also be worth it). Neoseeker has a few companion guides on how to get the companions to fill those roles, but it'll never be particularly optimal (Seelah as a Bard; Lann as a Cleric etc).

Thanks but won't happen, I'm not JDR who plays everything only on nightmare difficulty (or else something very bad will happen). ;)

Another hint.
During the prologue you choose between two companions. Can't have both.

Don't overthink it and pick one per your RP choice, on practical basis or simply who meets better your taste. Because…
Spoiler


I'm currently chapter 3.
Do not go lollygagging. I did and it was a waste of time - entering every location I see not having any business there (quest).
Most of currently "questless" areas you can't do anything because you don't have something necessary for proceeding further. In some areas trashmobs are 5-6 levels above you and will eat you for breakfast.
Follow quest areas only, set companion quests as priority as these net you some superb items, open more stories and let's be real, your companions are the most valuable to you and in normal world you'd want to help them first, right?
Or (ab)use them, works too. ;)

Alrik Fassbauer September 8th, 2021 21:21

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Originally Posted by Arhu (Post 1061653785)
That's the first thing I did after I got Seelah and Wenduag: respec them to better fit the vision for my party, while keeping them mostly RP-compatible.

How is this possible ? I didn't find any way to do it …

Redglyph September 8th, 2021 23:29

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Originally Posted by Alrik Fassbauer (Post 1061653807)
How is this possible ? I didn't find any way to do it …

The soft version (not really respec) is to do the level-up yourself instead of using the pre-programmed career of those NPCs. There is an option to have auto-level up, when it's active you can just press on the left arrow and the game will fill the new abilities, feats, and so on.

But it's always possible to choose how they level up. Once you choose manually, you have to continue until the end of the game.

To really respec the companions, you need to find an NPC who offers to train them.

Who is he and where he can be found?
Spoiler

JFarrell71 September 8th, 2021 23:58

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Originally Posted by Arhu (Post 1061653785)
3. Wenduag, changed to Eldritch Scoundrel, for more dark magic. Going to give her a shortsword. Her personality seems to be quite good for anything. So she'll be an assassin sort of character.

4. Arueshalae I'm going to change to a Bard, for more mind magic. Stats can stay as they are because, yeah. ;)

How do you have Arushalae already in a "couple of hours"? Your post sent me looking to see if I'd missed a companion. I've played for 25 hours and haven't even met her yet.

The other part I quoted because I'm curious why you didn't just use Woljif and leave Wenduag as she was. He's an eldritch scoundrel by default.

JFarrell71 September 9th, 2021 00:03

I could use some advice. I never bother to multiclass. Just too much of a hassle. But my PC is an Oracle and so is Daeran, so I want to change him to something else.

I have everyone as their default classes… so paladin (Seelah), scroll savant (Nenio), eldritch scoundrel (Woljif), fighter Wenduag), cleric (Sosiel, just got him), shaman (Camillia), and witch (Ember).

Many of you probably know which classes my future companions will be. So with all that combined, what what be a useful second class for Daeren? I haven't leveled him for couple of levels, so I can hit the ground running.

purpleblob1 September 9th, 2021 00:12

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Originally Posted by JFarrell71 (Post 1061653834)
How do you have Arushalae already in a "couple of hours"? Your post sent me looking to see if I'd missed a companion. I've played for 25 hours and haven't even met her yet.

The other part I quoted because I'm curious why you didn't just use Woljif and leave Wenduag as she was. He's an eldritch scoundrel by default.

Arueshalae can't be recruited just couple of hours in - earliest you can get her is towards the end of chapter 2, if you have "met" her by doing something special. Otherwise she will join you in chapter 3.

Couchpotato September 9th, 2021 00:35

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Originally Posted by Alrik Fassbauer (Post 1061653776)
Personally, I find the voice acting for Camillia astounding. I mean, I guess … t surely takes some effort to let a character sound so much … innocent/native/insecure ? like she does in "I am helpful, am I not ?"

It sounds almost too sweet, as if someone had used a huge bag of sugar there …
… and yet … her battle-cries sound so much different !

Camillia sweet nah she hides her alignment well.:)

Play as an Aeon and you'll find out her secret.

joxer September 9th, 2021 01:08

What's Aeon?
Flux?
No such thing in my game, not yet at least…

To find her secret:
1. Do not ditch the kingdom management task, can't remember the title, something like "a missing crusader".
2. Do not avoid a certain NPC's automatic cutscene suggestion when you return to capital several days after ordering search on the point above.

Of course, maybe there are other ways too.

Couchpotato September 9th, 2021 01:19

Think of it as a cosmic Judge Dread.:)

Much better then your stoned care-bear Azata path.:p
Quote:

"The Aeon is a cosmic judge of balance—Judge Dredd meets Merlin on a cosmic scale. They can sense where the balance is broken and fix it, often punishing the perpetrator in the process. The cool thing about the Aeon is that they can detect places where the balance was greatly disturbed in the past and travel back in time to fix it. In doing so, they can change their current timeline, usually for the better."

purpleblob1 September 9th, 2021 02:08

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Originally Posted by Alrik Fassbauer (Post 1061653776)
Personally, I find the voice acting for Camillia astounding. I mean, I guess … t surely takes some effort to let a character sound so much … innocent/native/insecure ? like she does in "I am helpful, am I not ?"

It sounds almost too sweet, as if someone had used a huge bag of sugar there …
… and yet … her battle-cries sound so much different !

Alrik, did you hear her battlecries?

Like:
Spoiler


Here is the list of companions and when you can recruit them:
Spoiler

JFarrell71 September 9th, 2021 03:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by Couchpotato (Post 1061653847)
Camillia sweet nah she hides her alignment well.:)

Play as an Aeon and you'll find out her secret.

Dang it! I wanna know. (But don't tell me).

I was leaning heavily toward Aeon but didn't go that route for two reasons: one, I didn't want to select that option in the Wardstone interaction and two, it so happens that I chose Desna as my diety so it felt like the right time to go Azata.

Arhu September 9th, 2021 09:11

In regard to re-rolling…
Quote:

Originally Posted by Alrik Fassbauer (Post 1061653807)
How is this possible ? I didn't find any way to do it …

Well, I used the respec mod. This would be my advice for this thread: don't feel bad about using mods if they can help you enjoy the game more. Didn't know there's regular way to do it in the game though - great news.

There's a list of useful mods on Neoseeker. The Cleaner mod was a must for me in Kingmaker. Another one I'll probably try out at some point is the AutoBuff one for some quality of life.

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Originally Posted by JFarrell71 (Post 1061653834)
How do you have Arueshalae already in a "couple of hours"?

No, I don't have her yet. Should have made that clearer. I want to add here to my party as soon as possible though.

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Originally Posted by JFarrell71 (Post 1061653834)
The other part I quoted because I'm curious why you didn't just use Woljif and leave Wenduag as she was. He's an eldritch scoundrel by default.

I wanted a more sinister companion for the evil side of my party setup. Woljif's alignment is neutral and, more importantly, his whole demeanor seems to be that of an actual scoundrel rather than an assassin that deals in dark magic. So, RP reasons.

joxer September 9th, 2021 16:31

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Originally Posted by Couchpotato (Post 1061653853)
Much better then your stoned care-bear Azata path.:p

I wonder if designer of Azata path was heavy on LSD or mescaline.
Hell, it might be late Mcafee's creation. ;)

Okay a hint.
Make sure you teach Nenio and Woljif Dimension Door mass. Not single, mass, there is a reason why not single. Assuming you accepted the predefined setup and did not mess with them.
See, later in the game some traps seems not possible to disable without triggering.
I'm not 100% sure if that is intended or the engine pathfinding bug (an example, big worm area).
With this spell, there is no problem.

The scroll with this spell is available at arcane seller in the capital (chapter 3) for sure, dunno about earlier game because I didn't need it and besides it's a level 4 conjuration spell.
This price is only 700 coins so there.

There is another cheesy apliance of this spell but I am not sure if this is intended.
Then again a certain area (tree and druids puzzle) negates it's effect thus I believe devs did allow such use, then again I don't trust betatesters.
Spoiler

Alrik Fassbauer September 9th, 2021 17:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by purpleblob1 (Post 1061653855)
Alrik, did you hear her battlecries?

I didn't take a long look at your spoiler tags, because I just don't want to be spoiled. ;)

Quote:

Originally Posted by purpleblob1 (Post 1061653855)
Alrik, did you hear her battlecries?

Some, I think. Not being a native English speaker, I never understand everything fully, even in the normal dialogs. Which is why I vastly prefer properly translated games - I mean, with voice acting in my own language.

The only battle cry I can understand - or so I think - is this :

Spoiler – What I thought/think I heard …


Of course, as I have learned through pen & paper role-playing, someone trying to be innocent can be the opposite, too. There's almost an cliché of the TDE priest of the most holy and orderly (so to say) god named Praios, with the priest being the absolute opposite of that, and only doing to be good, holy, and orderly.

But apart from that - a point to which no-one of the forum comminity here has yet commented - I wrote that i found the voice-acting astounding. Nothing than that. I didn't even ask for comments on the alignment.

JFarrell71 September 9th, 2021 18:23

Bump for my question on multiclassing Daeran. Nobody wants to throw in their 2 cents? I really have no idea what I want to do with him, but I know I don't want to leave him as an Oracle.

Pladio September 9th, 2021 18:35

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Originally Posted by JFarrell71 (Post 1061653918)
Bump for my question on multiclassing Daeran. Nobody wants to throw in their 2 cents? I really have no idea what I want to do with him, but I know I don't want to leave him as an Oracle.

I think he would fit a Cleric quite well personally, but to be honest, I'd ask you what you want from your party ?

wolfgrimdark September 9th, 2021 19:31

I am not a big fan of Daeran myself but a cleric seems logical or maybe a skald or bard. he doesn't seem to be a fighter which is a common MC with cleric. Could maybe MC with a rogue though.

Sometimes you can get creative as I made a cool "spy" like character that works great for my chaos-fey Tiefling Wulver.

Basically he is a Sylvan Sorcerer with a Wolf companion. His stats are focused on dexterity and charisma. He took pick pocket as his background traits (which works well as Wulver has a few rogue abilities in addition to magic in his lore). That BG lore added trickery and stealth class skills as well as +2 to initiative. Combined with his 18 dexterity +4 bonus it means he goes first often.

Sorcerers don't get many skills but he has enough INT to have 3, which he puts into trickery, stealth, and persuasion - all useful spy skills. He fights with daggers and crossbow but prefers talking his way out of things or using magic.

He will have a few levels in Rogue to get weapon finesse, fast stealth, and added skill points to spread around, plus 2x back stab, and small bonus to trap-finding - although his Wolf will be the one with high perception to trap find for him or he will use the spell.

In short he becomes a custom hybrid of sorcerer, rogue, diplomat, spy with his wolf companion through a nice mix of all the various options you get form the game in making a character.

Mythic wise he will be going either Trickster, Azatic, or Legendary.

I put this in tips and tricks and help as I think it is a good example of how people can really dig into the creation system and come up with a lot of cool options for making an ideal/favorite character.

JFarrell71 September 9th, 2021 20:40

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Originally Posted by Pladio (Post 1061653919)
I think he would fit a Cleric quite well personally, but to be honest, I'd ask you what you want from your party ?

He's already practically a cleric (Oracle) and Sosei is a cleric.

I'm not picky. I just want him to multiclass into something that would make him not completely redundant in a party in which my PC is an Oracle.

JFarrell71 September 9th, 2021 20:42

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Originally Posted by wolfgrimdark (Post 1061653926)
I am not a big fan of Daeran myself but a cleric seems logical or maybe a skald or bard. he doesn't seem to be a fighter which is a common MC with cleric. Could maybe MC with a rogue though.

I like the bard idea. AFAIK there are no bards among the companions, and Daeran seems like the sort of guy who would like composing ballads. About himself and how stupid everyone else is, but still.

I'm not a fan either and I'm not sure I'll use him beyond his companion quests. But I do want to do those, so I figure I may as well make him halfway useful.

vanedor September 9th, 2021 21:24

There is one companion I decided to put on the side because I haven't figured how to make use of her. It's Ember. As a witch, she lacks the punch of Nenio and she is more fragile and not nearly as good as a healer as Sosiel. She fits well with my goody goody knight-cavalier but so does Sosiel.

Arhu September 9th, 2021 21:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by JFarrell71 (Post 1061653945)
I'm not a fan either and I'm not sure I'll use him beyond his companion quests. But I do want to do those, so I figure I may as well make him halfway useful.

Eldritch Scion would be another option, one of the Magus subclasses. Uses Charisma for spellcasting, with access to Sorcerer bloodlines. Recommended main stats are CHA and DEX. Don't know it that would fit his personality though, as I haven't met him yet. Give him a fancy rapier maybe? Eldritch Scions don't need to read or train, their abilities come to them. Sounds like a Chuck Norris joke. Might fit. *Shrugs*

JFarrell71 September 9th, 2021 22:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arhu (Post 1061653952)
Eldritch Scion would be another option, one of the Magus subclasses. Uses Charisma for spellcasting, with access to Sorcerer bloodlines. Recommended main stats are CHA and DEX. Don't know it that would fit his personality though, as I haven't met him yet. Give him a fancy rapier maybe? Eldritch Scions don't need to read or train, their abilities come to them. Sounds like a Chuck Norris joke. Might fit. *Shrugs*

Thanks, I'll check that out. A fancy rapier definitely fits. He's the "you have offended my honor and we shall duel at dawn" type.

purpleblob1 September 9th, 2021 23:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by joxer (Post 1061653903)
There is another cheesy apliance of this spell but I am not sure if this is intended.
Then again a certain area (tree and druids puzzle) negates it's effect thus I believe devs did allow such use, then again I don't trust betatesters.
Spoiler

Mass dimension door is very useful indeed - a must have imo.

Regarding the spoiler:

Spoiler

purpleblob1 September 10th, 2021 00:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by JFarrell71 (Post 1061653944)
He's already practically a cleric (Oracle) and Sosei is a cleric.

I'm not picky. I just want him to multiclass into something that would make him not completely redundant in a party in which my PC is an Oracle.

I personally found Daeran far more useful than Sosiel due to him being a life oracle - he gets some cool perks as he level up.

You can give him some sorcerer level and turn him into Mystic Theurge. With mythic abilities like abundant casting (you get more spells per day) I think it will be fun - I plan on being oracle/sorc/MT myself in my 4th run.

I absolutely adore Daeran - romanceacle characters have far better character development when you romance them. I'm even thinking about romancing Wendu at some point because I keep hearing her development is excellent if you romance her.

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Originally Posted by vanedor (Post 1061653950)
There is one companion I decided to put on the side because I haven't figured how to make use of her. It's Ember. As a witch, she lacks the punch of Nenio and she is more fragile and not nearly as good as a healer as Sosiel. She fits well with my goody goody knight-cavalier but so does Sosiel.

Ember's hexes are great! She will pick up more hexes as you level up and she will become quite strong supporter. She requires a bit more management though.

wolfgrimdark September 10th, 2021 00:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by JFarrell71 (Post 1061653959)
Thanks, I'll check that out. A fancy rapier definitely fits. He's the "you have offended my honor and we shall duel at dawn" type.

Oh that is interesting, cool how people view people differently.

To me he doesn't care much about his honor., even if he has a big ego. His main drive seems to be about being entertained and experiencing pleasures in life. I could see him pretending to feel insulted and arranging a duel only to not show up and instead pull an elaborate joke that would instead humiliate the person and then it would be more about the entertainment of doing it, and perhaps sharing it with his various admirers, then any actual affront to his honor.

The more you talk to him, and I romanced him a little so got to know him pretty good, you learn about some of the things he did in the past and more about his personality. I feel like he see's life more as a big game with the goal of entertaining him. Parties, pranks, schemes, all things done for the entertainment and amusement value. Duels, to me anyhow, wouldn't fit into that I don't think.

purpleblob1 September 10th, 2021 00:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by wolfgrimdark (Post 1061653977)
The more you talk to him, and I romanced him a little so got to know him pretty good, you learn about some of the things he did in the past and more about his personality. I feel like he see's life more as a big game with the goal of entertaining him. Parties, pranks, schemes, all things done for the entertainment and amusement value. Duels, to me anyhow, wouldn't fit into that I don't think.

Did you romance him past chapter3? His romance shows another side of him in chapter4 and takes very…. interesting turn in chapter5 - I was quite shocked at some out the outcomes.

But I agree rapier suits him - I gave Dae crossbow as a main weapon + rapier as a secondary weapon.

wolfgrimdark September 10th, 2021 01:32

I only had a chance to romance Sosiel in Beta. I haven't decided who I will romance in the official. Lobo won't romance anyone, he isn't the relationship type. One of my others might romance Daeran though so will see then :)

I found him very useful in battle myself.

Couchpotato September 10th, 2021 01:43

Romances are not great in Wrath of the Righteous. I have no interest in male companionship and the female options are no better. Think I'll romance the Queen.

JFarrell71 September 10th, 2021 01:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by wolfgrimdark (Post 1061653977)
Oh that is interesting, cool how people view people differently.

To me he doesn't care much about his honor., even if he has a big ego.

I think we actually view him much the same way. By "honor" I don't mean anything you or I or Seelah would actually consider honorable. I mean more like Tim Roth in Rob Roy "honor". Insulted by a peon (which is almost everyone) so the peon must pay, that sort of thing. But you're probably right in that he couldn't be bothered to actually show up to a duel.

Couchpotato September 10th, 2021 02:06

Another thing I noticed is there is no easy way to disband armies you don't need. Even trying to combine them into one army with the buttons is a literal pain the ass.:(

purpleblob1 September 10th, 2021 02:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Couchpotato (Post 1061653982)
Romances are not great in Wrath of the Righteous. I have no interest in male companionship and the female options are no better. Think I'll romance the Queen.

I only romanced Lann and Daeran - I found Lann romance very disappointing but I thoroughly enjoyed Daeran romance :)

Ugh, I dislike Galfrey so much, I'd rather be alone than romance her.

JFarrell71 September 10th, 2021 02:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by Couchpotato (Post 1061653985)
Another thing I noticed is there is no easy way to disband armies you don't need. Even trying to combine them into one army with the buttons is a literal pain the ass.:(

I didn't find that to be hard. Just click the little arrow in the direction you want the troops to move.

JFarrell71 September 10th, 2021 02:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by purpleblob1 (Post 1061653986)
Ugh, I dislike Galfrey so much, I'd rather be alone than romance her.

I liked her okay at first, but then she appointed Daeran as my assistant or whatever as a prank, and that struck me as unforgivably petty for such a serious situation.

Couchpotato September 10th, 2021 02:26

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Originally Posted by JFarrell71 (Post 1061653987)
I didn't find that to be hard. Just click the little arrow in the direction you want the troops to move.

Doesn't always work for me and still no disband option is offered.
Quote:

Originally Posted by purpleblob1 (Post 1061653986)
I only romanced Lann and Daeran - I found Lann romance very disappointing but I thoroughly enjoyed Daeran romance :)

Ugh, I dislike Galfrey so much, I'd rather be alone than romance her.

She's still better then Evil/Camellia or that Succubus Arueshalae. Anyway romances weren't great in Kingmaker either. I choose Valerie or that Nymph in the secret ending.

Anyway I read Wenduag is romanceable but she's another evil character.

JFarrell71 September 10th, 2021 03:39

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Originally Posted by Couchpotato (Post 1061653989)
Doesn't always work for me and still no disband option is offered.

Is it possible that you're at your unit cap? It's 3 to start with until you get a general with perks that increase it.

I don't know why you'd want to disband an army and waste troops.

Couchpotato September 10th, 2021 03:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by JFarrell71 (Post 1061653998)
Is it possible that you're at your unit cap? It's 3 to start with until you get a general with perks that increase it.

I don't know why you'd want to disband an army and waste troops.

I already have four large armies with four to five units numbering in the hundreds each already. Most of the single units left are scripted conscripts from quests/events.

purpleblob1 September 10th, 2021 03:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by Couchpotato (Post 1061653989)
Doesn't always work for me and still no disband option is offered.

She's still better then Evil/Camellia or that Succubus Arueshalae. Anyway romances weren't great in Kingmaker either. I choose Valerie or that Nymph in the secret ending.

Anyway I read Wenduag is romanceable but she's another evil character.

I don't think companion alignment should be just taken as a face value - Lann is LN and Dae is NE so if I go by alignment alone, I shouldn't enjoy Dae romance (because I prefer "good" characters) but I love it a lot. My fav companions are mix of good and bad - Aivu (CG), Regill (LE), Daeran (NE) and Ember (NG).

I haven't tried romance with Arueshalae, Camellia and Wendu but it seems like people enjoy all 3 for different reasons:

Spoiler

Couchpotato September 10th, 2021 03:49

Yet despite all that none of them interest me. Was it to hard to write a vanilla crusader to romance like Seelah. She would make a perfect paring with my angel/aeon crusader.

Owlcat instead went with strange and weird apparently.:-/

purpleblob1 September 10th, 2021 03:50

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Originally Posted by Couchpotato (Post 1061654001)
Yet despite al that none of them interest me. Was it to hard to write a vanilla crusader to romance like Seelah. She would make a perfect paring with my angel crusader.

I don't think they allow romance with iconic character like Seelah and Amiri for a lore reason :)

Couchpotato September 10th, 2021 04:04

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Originally Posted by purpleblob1 (Post 1061654002)
I don't think they allow romance with iconic character like Seelah and Amiri for a lore reason :)

Probably and it's disappointing but they could of wrote another good aligned female romance. Maybe a fallen angel or Aasimar companion would of worked as well.

I have to say though I'm dissatisfied with the choices. :(

Now I don't play RPG's for the romances but in some games they're a good bonus. If they're going to be put in, you'd think they'd manage to offer more palatable choices.
  1. Wenduag an evil canibal.
  2. Camelia not an option that makes sense for a good character.
  3. Arueshalae is a succubus.
  4. Queen Galfrey is not a companion, so it feels really lacking.
Those are just the romance options for a hetero male MC.


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