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Myrthos January 19th, 2022 23:35

GOTY 2021 Shortlisting the long list - Most Anticipated
 
Like previous year I present you the long list of most anticipated games from our database. The goal is to get the right games in the top 30, because that is the number we'll use for the short list to vote on.
Our editors had a first go already.

The list is ordered by h-index, which could be seen as an indication of how often the game was discussed in our forums. Next to that there are also the comments and posts given for further sorting.
IDTitleNews PostsCommentsRatioh-index
1Baldur’s Gate 373267136.130
2ELEX II1656933.514
3Black Geyser: Couriers of Darkness4686218.313
4Vampire - The Masquerade: Bloodlines 2355031413
5System Shock (Remake)734876.613
6Expeditions: Rome2325710.711
7Elden Ring1731317.410
8The Waylanders512765.39
9Starfield825127.98
10S.T.A.L.K.E.R. 21314410.38
11Alaloth: Champions of the Four Kingdoms201748.38
12Urban Strife1112910.87
13Broken Roads161207.17
14Gothic Remake721827.26
15Weird West12927.16
16King Arthur: Knight's Tale12725.56
17Sacred Fire13594.26
18Hogwarts Legacy5569.35
19Monomyth11867.25
20Lost Eidolons151086.85
21Project Haven9595.95
22Wartales17643.65
23Arcadian Atlas14412.75
24Avowed416132.24
25Dying Light 266394
26Archaelund5416.84
27Steelrising4336.64
28SKALD: Against the Black Priory7425.24
29Cyber Knights: Flashpoint13543.94
30Dark Envoy9363.64
31Marvel's Midnight Suns372183
32Zoria: Age of Shattering45110.23
33StarCrawlers Chimera34110.23
34GRAVEN33283
35Atomic Heart4326.43
36Skullstone4295.83
37Empire of Ember6344.93
38Forspoken4244.83
39Within the Cosmos4224.43
40The Way of Wrath8242.73
41Prisonscape 12332.53
42Pixel Noir16311.83
43Age of Grit18271.43
44The Blades of Netheril230102
45Wizardry: The Five Ordeals22792
46Queen's Wish 2: The Tormentor22172
47The Invincible21242
48Thymesia4163.22
49Last Epoch51832
50Reverie Knights Tactics3112.82
51Together in Battle282.72
52The Hand of Merlin5101.72
53Scarlet Republics361.52
54Divinia Chronicles: Relics of Gan-Ti7101.22
55Star Trek: Resurgence1136.51
56Rollers of the Realm: Reunion11261
57Minimal Affect1115.51
58Shieldwall Chronicles: Realm of Madness11051
59Vampire: The Masquerade - Swansong11051
60Stormrite2134.31
61Achilles: Legends Untold1841
62The Legend of Heroes: Trails from Zero1841
63Vendir: Plague of Lies1841
64Asterigos173.51
65Chained Echoes173.51
66Aye Captain!1631
67Zodiac Legion282.71
68DISGAEA RPG152.51
69Star Ocean: The Divine Force152.51
70Telepath Tactics Liberated152.51
71Babylon's Fall2621
72Peripeteia2621
73Chrono Ark1421
74MONARK1421
75Soulborn1421
76Trail of Ayash1421
77VED1421
78Gatewalkers251.71
79Mother of All Secrets131.51
80Nautilus Epoch131.51
81Vestaria Saga Gaiden: The Sacred Sword of Silvanister131.51
82Code of the Savage2311
83Live by the Sword: Tactics2311
84Curse of Eternity1211
85Manafinder1211
86Salt and Sacrifice1211
87Shores Unknown550.81
88Spire of Sorcery440.81
89Rising Mist220.71
90Shadow of the Road220.71
91Dolmen320.51
92Sea of Stars320.51
93Grim Tranquility110.51
94MidKnight Story110.51
95Nobody Saves the World110.51
96Fate of WINDSHIFT210.31
97Luckless Seven210.31
98Stray Blade210.31
99Cloud Exiles0000
100Coridden1000
101Dark Dragonkin1000
102Farathan1000
103Granblue Fantasy: Relink1000
104Infernax1000
105Mists of Noyah3000
106Souldiers1000


Let us know what games should be in the top 30 instead of what we have now.

lackblogger January 19th, 2022 23:56

As mentioned in the other thread, Knights of the Chalice 2 should be on this list rather than the GOTY list as it hasn't released yet and is still in kickstarter.

Pladio January 20th, 2022 00:10

These are mine (although Expeditions Rome will have released by the time the poll goes live I believe):

Baldur’s Gate 3
ELEX II
Expeditions: Rome
Broken Roads
Gothic Remake

JFarrell71 January 20th, 2022 00:21

Sorry, what did you want us to do? Give you our top 5?

Mine would be:
Elden Ring
Starfield
Dying Light 2
Stalker 2
Tainted Grail (not on this list)

lackblogger January 20th, 2022 00:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by JFarrell71 (Post 1061669385)
Sorry, what did you want us to do? Give you our top 5?

No, this is just the filtering stage.

Just point out anything that should or shouldn't be there (wrong genre or platform or wrong placement or missing games etc etc) to get a shortlist of 30 games that we vote on later. So also if you see something you like or think you saw other people liking but it's above 30 then point it out.

purpleblob1 January 20th, 2022 00:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by JFarrell71 (Post 1061669385)
Sorry, what did you want us to do? Give you our top 5?

Mine would be:
Elden Ring
Starfield
Dying Light 2
Stalker 2
Tainted Grail (not on this list)

Wasn't Tainted Grail on your GOTY list (best RPG of 2021)? If so, it shouldn't be in most anticipated list as well (since we are talking about which game we look forward to most in 2022)

Carnifex January 20th, 2022 00:33

I would agree about Knights of the Chalice two belonging on the other list, since it's not actually released as of yet.

daveyd January 20th, 2022 00:40

Add
I feel like Colony Ship (RPG) should be on the top 30. Not sure why it's not on the list at all. Last I heard they're targeting a late 2022 release.

The Iron Oath- while Steam page says TBD recent comments from them have said they're targeting 2022.

Honorable Mentions
Probably too niche to get many votes but things I'm personally interested in: Prometheus Wept, Death Trash, Space Wreck, & Call of Sarengar

Remove
Isn't Vampire: The Masquerade – Bloodlines 2 basically vaporware at this point? Paradox said it isn't canceled but we don't even know for sure who is working on it and there's no release date. Perhaps HBS has taken the reigns, but given the troubled status I'm not sure how many members are highly anticipating it right now.

Waylanders may have been discussed a lot but how much of it was positive? I probably bashed it in every thread because the developers are so shady.

Questionable:

S.T.A.L.K.E.R. 2 & System Shock. Are these actually RPGs? They sound more like action adventure / shooter games with light RPG elements, unless the new ones are going to be very different from the originals? I know fans of these games would probably grumble if they're excluded but if they're included there's probably other upcoming Action Adventure games with RPG elements that should arguably be included as well. Might as well include Monster Hunter because many people call that an RPG for some reason.

Pladio January 20th, 2022 00:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by daveyd (Post 1061669394)
Add
I feel like Colony Ship (RPG) should be on the top 30. Not sure why it's not on the list at all. Last I heard they're targeting a late 2022 release.

I second adding Colony Ship RPG.

Redglyph January 20th, 2022 01:10

From what I understand, Myrthos asks for deltas, not our top 5 - that will be for the vote itself. I may be wrong though.

I agree with Colony Ship too, but did they intend to release it in 2022? If they had a timetable, I lost track of it.

I was expecting Atomic Heart to be higher since there was some enthusiasm about it, but there are already a number of good titles up there. Let's just see if others think the same.

To add to other comments,
  • About S.T.A.L.K.E.R. 2 & System Shock (Remake), they may not be "pure RPG" if such a notion exists, but I'm afraid that if we go down that route we'll eject many other titles and start arguing for weeks. ;) RPG is a very volatile definition, we should probably trust our list at this point.
  • I was wondering about Expeditions: Rome too the other day, but it's a list for 2021.

daveyd January 20th, 2022 01:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by Redglyph (Post 1061669400)

I agree with Colony Ship too, but did they intend to release it in 2022? If they had a timetable, I lost track of it.

That is the current plan. The timetable's on the steam page, with "Nov 2022 - Endgame (chapter 4)" Of course it could get pushed to 2023 but the same thing could be said for BG3 and probably many of the other games on this list which are not even in EA and in many cases have no announced release date.

Quote:

Originally Posted by purpleblob1 (Post 1061669390)
Wasn't Tainted Grail on your GOTY list (best RPG of 2021)? If so, it shouldn't be in most anticipated list as well (since we are talking about which game we look forward to most in 2022)

There's apparently two different Tainted Grail games: Conquest, which released last year and Fall of Avalon which may release this year.

purpleblob1 January 20th, 2022 01:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by daveyd (Post 1061669401)
There's apparently two different Tainted Grail games: Conquest, which released last year and Fall of Avalon which may release this year.

Ah ok, that makes sense.

I reckon we will see BG3 in most anticipated list 3 years in a row ;)

purpleblob1 January 20th, 2022 03:02

BTW, I was a little surprised this TMORPG called Book of Travels was never covered here - it was even nominated as one of the PCGamer contributor's GOTY pick:

https://www.pcgamer.com/book-of-trav…s-theyre-tiny/

It will definitely be in my most anticipated list ;)

JFarrell71 January 20th, 2022 03:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by purpleblob1 (Post 1061669390)
Wasn't Tainted Grail on your GOTY list (best RPG of 2021)? If so, it shouldn't be in most anticipated list as well (since we are talking about which game we look forward to most in 2022)

Different game. The game that's out and that I've played is a card based roguelite. The game that I'm referring to here is an upcoming RPG.

…and I see now that Dave already answered this. Thanks, Dave.

Carnifex January 20th, 2022 04:25

I'm another that believes Colony Ship should be on this list.

JFarrell71 January 20th, 2022 05:16

It is very unlikely that Colony Ship releases in 2022. Their target date is the very end of the year and if you think they're going to make that first target date you must not follow many games in development, much less Age of Decadence.

So not this list. Maybe most anticipated for 2023, though.

daveyd January 20th, 2022 06:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by JFarrell71 (Post 1061669424)
It is very unlikely that Colony Ship releases in 2022. Their target date is the very end of the year and if you think they're going to make that first target date you must not follow many games in development, much less Age of Decadence.

So not this list. Maybe most anticipated for 2023, though.

Sure, but what about all of the games on this list that don't even have a precise target date? Looking at their Steam pages, many of these are currently vague "TBD" or "hopefully" 2022 releases. Lost Eidolons lists Q3 2022 and that's only for their Early Access release.

Then there's others with specific dates, but very late in the year:
Starfield has gives a release date of Nov. 11. S.T.A.L.K.E.R. 2 lists Dec. 8th.

Pladio January 20th, 2022 07:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by JFarrell71 (Post 1061669424)
It is very unlikely that Colony Ship releases in 2022. Their target date is the very end of the year and if you think they're going to make that first target date you must not follow many games in development, much less Age of Decadence.

So not this list. Maybe most anticipated for 2023, though.

It doesn't say most anticipated in 2022 though. Or did I miss something?

JFarrell71 January 20th, 2022 07:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pladio (Post 1061669432)
It doesn't say most anticipated in 2022 though. Or did I miss something?

It doesn't say 2022, but it's an annual thing and Elder Scrolls VI is nowhere to be found, so yeah, I'd say you probably missed something.

Lolozaur January 20th, 2022 08:40

stalker, atomic heart and dying light - out, a few rpg elements doesnt make them rpgs, even the recent call of duty games have the same "rpg" elements

purpleblob1 January 20th, 2022 08:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by JFarrell71 (Post 1061669433)
It doesn't say 2022, but it's an annual thing and Elder Scrolls VI is nowhere to be found, so yeah, I'd say you probably missed something.

Yeah but given BG3 was voted most anticipated in 2021, I think its only fair games like Colony Ship to be included in the list for 2022.

Myrthos January 20th, 2022 09:40

These anticipated lists should be taken with a grain of salt. The idea is to have a list of games that will or have a chance of being released in 2022. This actual list is made up of games that have an estimated release date of 2022 in our database. Games that are not on this list are either released before 2022, or are still labeled as TBA in our database.
Obviously this doesn't mean much, setting an estimated release date is just guesswork most of the time.

Redglyph January 20th, 2022 10:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by daveyd (Post 1061669401)
That is the current plan. The timetable's on the steam page, with "Nov 2022 - Endgame (chapter 4)" Of course it could get pushed to 2023 but the same thing could be said for BG3 and probably many of the other games on this list which are not even in EA and in many cases have no announced release date.

Good to hear!
And agreed, it's the same argument to me as "is it an RPG", we shouldn't start splitting hairs. Games announced for 2022 may very well be postponed, it happens all the time.

EDIT: just saw Myrthos' post saying about the same

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pladio (Post 1061669432)
It doesn't say most anticipated in 2022 though. Or did I miss something?

That's a good point. We probably shouldn't be too excited by anticipation for games like the next Dragon Age or ES which are just concepts at this stage. But if that's close enough and anticipated enough, it makes sense to have it. As long as it's fair and doesn't remain on the list for years at the expense of other games, maybe.

Quote:

Originally Posted by purpleblob1 (Post 1061669412)
BTW, I was a little surprised this TMORPG called Book of Travels was never covered here - it was even nominated as one of the PCGamer contributor's GOTY pick:

https://www.pcgamer.com/book-of-trav…s-theyre-tiny/

It will definitely be in my most anticipated list ;)

Duly noted. :) It's not even in our list.

We're always happy to hear about suggestions for the news coverage, otherwise we just shoot and see if anyone seems interested.

If I see several posts on a game without any reaction, I tend to remove them from my coverage list. But to add new games is something else, I'm surely missing some of them so nobody should hesitate to post, PM or use the 'contact us'.

Pladio January 20th, 2022 11:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by JFarrell71 (Post 1061669433)
It doesn't say 2022, but it's an annual thing and Elder Scrolls VI is nowhere to be found, so yeah, I'd say you probably missed something.

So then I suggest you go through all of the release dates and remove any from Nov/Dec 2022 since they are likely to be delayed by a month or two. Wouldn't you say ?

As others have already pointed out, many other games on the list may not release in 2022 (either due to longer EA than anticipated or late release dates).

I'd suggest you maybe you look at it a bit more about what people are actually anticipating most rather than prescribe an exact timeframe which no one else seems to.

Edit: Myrthos put it better than I have - didn't see there were more posts.

JFarrell71 January 21st, 2022 02:11

The projected release date (for now) for Colony Ship is 2022 and people are looking forward to it, so it belongs on the list. I agree. I was remembering how long it took AoD to come out and was overly snarky. I still don't think we'll see its release in 2022, but like others have said, that probably applies to half the list.

My bad.

rjshae January 21st, 2022 03:42

Here are the pending full release games in which I currently have an interest: BG3, Black Geyser, Wartales, Colony Ship, The Iron Oath, Broken Roads, Dark Envoy, Star Field, and Alaloth: Champions of the Four Kingdoms.

Pladio January 21st, 2022 05:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by JFarrell71 (Post 1061669551)
The projected release date (for now) for Colony Ship is 2022 and people are looking forward to it, so it belongs on the list. I agree. I was remembering how long it took AoD to come out and was overly snarky. I still don't think we'll see its release in 2022, but like others have said, that probably applies to half the list.

My bad.

Sorry, I reread my reply. It was quite snarky too. :(

Redglyph January 21st, 2022 10:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by rjshae (Post 1061669555)
Here are the pending full release games in which I currently have an interest: BG3, Black Geyser, Wartales, Colony Ship, The Iron Oath, Broken Roads, Dark Envoy, Star Field, and Alaloth: Champions of the Four Kingdoms.

To make it easier to Myrthos, what you mean is: Colony Ship, Iron Oath should be in the top 30 (the others are already there).

rjshae January 21st, 2022 19:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by Redglyph (Post 1061669571)
To make it easier to Myrthos, what you mean is: Colony Ship, Iron Oath should be in the top 30 (the others are already there).

Well do with as you will. I only stated what my interests are.

forgottenlor January 21st, 2022 20:42

I think the goal in making a short list is to list any games you anticipate and might consider buying, assuming they are released and good as you hoped they might be. I put Druidstone on my list one year and it turned out to be a very different game than I hoped it would be, so I didn't end up buying it. My point being anticipation may come to nothing.

This is my list
Baldur's Gate 3
Elex 2
Black Geyeser
Vampire TMB2 (Yeah, I know probably won't be released, but I hope it will be).
Starfield
Urban Strife
Broken Roads
Wierd West
Hogwarts Legacy
War Tales
Wizardry: The 5 Ordeals
Legend of Heroes: Trail From Zero
Spire of Sorcery
Queen's Wish 2
Marvel's Midnight Suns
Last Epoch
Lost Eidolons
Avowed

henriquejr January 21st, 2022 22:33

The Top 30 Most Anticipated Games presented by Myrthos in OP is a strong list, but outside it (and currently below the top 30), I'd include:
  • Within The Cosmos
  • Shieldwall Chronicles: Realm of Madness
  • Reverie Knights Tactics
  • Shores Unknown

And if I had to swap some of the Top 30 out in order to make room for the ones above (because I don't know if the final list must have only 30 entries), then I'd pick:
  • Elden Ring
  • Sacred Fire
  • SKALD: Against the Black Priory
  • Weird West

It's only a matter of taste, of course.

Redglyph January 22nd, 2022 12:13

There are quite a few games I'd eject before Weird West.



@Myrthos Actually, I'm not sure where all this is heading. I first understood from the OP that we had to give the deltas ("what games should be in the top 30 instead of what we have now."), but which criteria will be used to determine what goes out and what goes in? Do you have the info you need with what was posted?

It's doesn't need to be something precise of course, we're just doing adjustments.

Myrthos January 22nd, 2022 14:45

That is correct. You can say what should be in the top 30 in your opinion and what should not be there.
That probably leads to conflicting interests of people, but in the end I'll just make a list where the top 20 is about agreed upon by everyone and the last 10 are more of a compromise.
Just saying game X and Y should be in, is only partially helpful, because it doesn't say which games they should replace.
Like past years, I just create a new top 30 list here and ask: "How about this list?". If there are still objections, I'll try again, until the compromise is somewhat accepted.

The sorting of the lists is currently based on popularity, which is reflected by the number of news posts and comments of a game. If a game is not so good and people will state how bad it is in every news post of the game, it will be very popular, but will not have a chance of being voted on much. That would probably be a candidate to remove from the list. Just like a game which you think is very RPG-lite.

henriquejr January 22nd, 2022 15:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by Redglyph (Post 1061669683)
There are quite a few games I'd eject before Weird West.

Like I said the Top 30 list, as it currently is, it's a very good one. It wasn't easy for me to pick 4 games to be taken out of it. It is no coincidence that Weird West occupies the 4th place among the games I'd remove from the list. It wasn't an easy decision, believe me, I struggled to find the 4th title.

In fact the only one I'd choose without batting an eye was Elden Ring because I don't appreciate Souls-like games too much.

Redglyph January 22nd, 2022 17:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by henriquejr (Post 1061669700)
Like I said the Top 30 list, as it currently is, it's a very good one. It wasn't easy for me to pick 4 games to be taken out of it. It is no coincidence that Weird West occupies the 4th place among the games I'd remove from the list. It wasn't an easy decision, believe me, I struggled to find the 4th title.

In fact the only one I'd choose without batting an eye was Elden Ring because I don't appreciate Souls-like games too much.

Let's make it a 31-gamed shortlist! ;)

forgottenlor January 22nd, 2022 22:57

I'd remove

King Arthur: A Knight's Tale
Sacred Fire
and Monomyth


In favour of Marvel's Midnight Suns, Queen's Wish 2, and Last Epoch.

Stingray January 23rd, 2022 04:46

Adding to the chorus that Colony Ship should be on the list. It's still officially targeted at 2022, although VD has said it may slip to 2023. Pretty much the same situation as BG3, and BG3 will be on the list I assume.

Also, Queen's Wish 2 should be on the list. I doubt it has much chance of ending up in the top 3, but there's no doubt that there's more people on this site interested in it than many of the games that are in that first-draft top 30.

Archaelund can be removed from the top 30. No chance it will be released in 2022, latest word from the developer is that it may be out in early access in mid-to-late 2022. The developer is a regular on the Codex, and the word over there in multiple places, like releases stickies and recent news posts is that it will be out no earlier than 2024. One source: https://rpgcodex.net/forums/threads/…n-2022.140009/

Couchpotato January 23rd, 2022 04:55

Nothing to add except BG3 wont be released next year. Try again in 2023-24 hopefully.:p

Myrthos January 24th, 2022 16:36

The following is the proposal for the short list (34 games):
IDTitleNews PostsCommentsRatioh-index
1Baldur's Gate 373267136,130
2ELEX II1656933,514
3Colony Ship - A Post-Earth Role Playing Game666149,214
4Black Geyser: Couriers of Darkness4686218,313
5Knights of the Chalice II2849016,913
6System Shock (Remake)734876,613
7Expeditions: Rome2325710,711
8Elden Ring1731317,410
9The Waylanders512765,39
10Starfield825127,98
11S.T.A.L.K.E.R. 21314410,38
12Alaloth: Champions of the Four Kingdoms201748,38
13Urban Strife1112910,87
14Broken Roads161207,17
15Gothic Remake721827,26
16Weird West12927,16
17King Arthur: Knight's Tale12725,56
18Sacred Fire13594,26
19Hogwarts Legacy5569,35
20Dying Light 29737,35
21Monomyth11867,25
22Lost Eidolons151086,85
23Project Haven9595,95
24Wartales17643,65
24The Iron Oath21703,25
25Arcadian Atlas14412,75
26Avowed416132,24
28Steelrising4336,64
29SKALD: Against the Black Priory7425,24
30Cyber Knights: Flashpoint13543,94
31Dark Envoy9363,64
32Marvel's Midnight Suns372183
33Queen's Wish 2: The Tormentor22172
34Last Epoch51832

JFarrell71 January 24th, 2022 17:05

Looks pretty good. Expeditions: Rome should be removed, though, already being out and all.


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