Baldur's Gate - Version, Release and Demo History
 

Dark Savant found an interesting article on Nerdly Pleasures about the version, release and demo history of Baldur's Gate:

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24 years old. It's weird that this came out just three years before 9/11. In computer gaming terms this is almost ancient history now. I'll bet many modern PCs can't even load the original disks because they no longer have a media player.

Go back another 24 years before Baldur's Gate, and you have the Pong arcade game having recently come out, and the Atari 2600 console and Apple 2 computer still being 2-3 years away from launching. So, pretty much right at the dawn of video/computer gaming.

BG sits at roughly the halfway point of gaming as we know it. So much innovation and change in the 24 years before BG… The post-BG era seems so stale in comparison. Playing BG back in 1998, I would have expected so much more out of 2022 :lol:

Absolutely. I'd even say gaming has regressed in some ways since then.

For PC gaming as a whole, no question about it. Largely due to changing audience. For a developer making a PC game in the 90s, the audience was the people who were educated/affluent enough to afford and actually own a PC, and "geeky" enough to play games on it. Nowadays, the games that a company like BioWare would make are targeted not just at computers, but also consoles, and especially when you combine both, the audience is pretty much the entire population - where the tastes are going to be considerably different than the much-smaller group of people who were gaming on PCs in the 90s. There's still the same size (at least) market out there for the more intelligent games we had in the 90s, but there's no reason for the big-budget AAA companies to target that market anymore because they can make orders-of-magnitude more money by targeting the entire population instead.

I still have the original paper case and cd's for Baldur's Gate and remember buying the game for my first PC along with Fallout in the 90's. Nowadays I use the GOG version.

I also remember the game didn't run good on my old PC with slow stuttering.:(

I was playing this game whenever EQ 1 testing was down or I was in-between sessions. I've played it a few times since, still excellent, and far superior to most of what is being released these days, in my opinion.

What kinds of things would you consider great advancements?

Seeing the comments in this thread proves that one thing has definitely gone stale in the last 24 years, and it's not video games.

Couldn't honestly tell you with any specificity. But if you're old enough to have been playing games through the 80s+90s, or probably even just the 90s, and witnessed the rapidity of advances in, well, just about everything up until that point….I'd say it was pretty reasonable to expect that some really crazy shit would be available in 2022. That has certainly not happened.

That's interesting, because if you'd asked me that question I could have answered it in great and fine detail.

Unfortunately, I'm looking at the Black Geyser steam discussions and someone's 'complaint' is that they wont play the game until the game has 'improved the banter between companions'.

*rolls eyes*

Ok, so in '98, what were you hoping games would be like in 2022?

:lol:

It's a bit late in the day for a wall of paragraphs, but let's start with the easy ones.

Civilisation. What needed improving from Civilisation II?

1. AI - just trying to find an AI that wasn't as abusable and acted in a bit more rational way, which could be adjusted for difficulty rather than adjusted for giving the AI physical bonuses.

2. An end to end-game slow-down, when there were so many calculations at the end of each turn by the industrial/modern era that pressing end-turn would result in a 2 or 3 minute 'loading screen'. Surely more computing power would naturally 'solve' this at some point. Alas, no.

3. Structure the game so that it didn't race you through the ancient eras but instead provided an even gradient of time-passing, thereby removing the inevitable technology mad-grab to simply advance yourself away from the AIs.

All of which would enable:

4. Actually interesting and properly tactical conflicts or interesting tactical methods to avoid conflict, via a combat system that was slightly more evolved than watching a single knight attacking a single swordsman and a diplomacy system that isn't solely geared towards providing opportunities to either gauge money or incite war.

and

5. The ability to zoom in and out whereby zooming into an area allows for intricate city building as oppose to "your city now has a barracks", a field of battle that isn't one troop covering 50 square miles and a visual representation of your growth as planned by you. Zooming out for the strategy and zooming in for the tactical. An economy based on real limited resources rather than generic money from squares.

To effectively combine in perfect unity the 4x and city building genres to create a wonderful sim that is still abstract enough to not be pure busy-work and above the level of the individual but at the same time with enough sim detail to actually feel like you're running a slowly expanding culture in a completely random environment (as oppose to a mathematical race to XYZ tech or city limit threshold).

I'll do RPGs tomorrow or something.

If you like?

Sure. I'm not much of a Civ player (haven't touched it in >30 years) so it'd be a lot easier to relate to.

edit: also, I checked the Steam forum for Black Geyser and was expecting to find a giant wall of text in the thread where the guy said he needed companions banter. Don't see anything though - disappointing.

edit2: one thing that, in 1998, I probably figured would be standard in RPGs by 2022 is NPCs having day/night schedules, or something along those lines. ie more of a living world.

It's currently the first thread, it's titled something like "Quality of life improvements".

Dungeons don't have days/nights.

Immediately your 'priority' is a pointlessly detrimental focus to what should be a core focus.

Wouldn't really say it's my priority, or even something I care that much about. Just something I figured would have been standard fare by 2022.

Yeah I saw it, but didn't see any reply from you in it. Unless you're InEffect…

It is pretty standard, it's been in a lot of games I've played recently. I usually find it adds nothing but having to retrace your steps in order to cover the same ground twice to find objects or people who populate an area dependent on time.

It effectively enforces increased back-tracking, enforces a focus on human interaction and becomes entirely pointless when exploring a dungeon.

It's a good fit for games that base their gameplay around it, but bad for a general RPG. It works well in city environments but is a pain in the ass in wilderness environments when all it does is tend to make it harder to define (see) your surroundings, especially if you play in real life daytime.

Oh god no, I didn't bother replying to that, lol.

It does depend on the type of RPG for sure. Schedules (+day/night) fit best in immersive open world games like Kingdom Come: Deliverance and Ultima.

I think you did play KC: Deliverance right? Did you not think it added to the feeling that you were really in the middle-ages?

Funny enough, I bought BG because I had lost interest in Ultima Online and needed something to tide me over until Ultima IX came out. I remember looking at the box thinking "Well, this doesn't seem to bad, might hold my interest for a little while." Little did I know I'd still be playing it in 2022!

I love good companion banter. It really helps the immersion for me. That said, most games don't seem to do it that well. I'm finishing up Pillars of Eternity and some of the dialogue with the PC and companions is good, but I haven't really liked any of the banter between the companions.