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December 20th, 2006, 07:06
Originally Posted by Acleacius View Post

"Not to mention that he conceived the game to begin with."
Really which game is this?
I don't want to try to cover every game he has worked on. *END QUOTE

This one.


Third paragraph, first sentence. (The entire article is a good read though)

Since Wiki is the only one that list Warren as Designer and is editable by many people it's a culmination of information, so has a tendency to be incorrect occasionally.
Now take this Mobey Games it's been around run by gamers for at least 7 year maybe 10 and only focuses on games.
That's nice, but I'm not arguing about System Shock. What does that link have to do with Deus Ex?

I may have to load to game, since I do have it though I am very comfortable at this point Warren was an outside producer, there just isn't any object information to suggest any different, atm.
I am glad Hindukönig remembered about Thief not that I mind playing it when I am interested but I hate having to install a game just for a scrap of information when I have other games I am in the middle of completing.
Now what are you talking about? System Shock again? I never said Spector was the main guy behind that game, only that he had worked on it. In fact, go back to the first page and read my 5th post. I clearly stated that Doug Church was the Project Director behind SS.

I've also already said that Ken Levine conceived Thief.

"I've been saying from the very beginning that Warren Spector was the main person behind Deus Ex"
Well that’s not all you been saying but, you have been very general at some points claiming he does everything, all I have been trying to do is be accurate with his positions at different companies on different games.

As I mentioned he was project/studio director oversight for Deus Ex , obviously the Lead Programmer Chris Norden and the 5 designers Marshall Andrews, Ricardo Bare, Monte Martinez, Steve Powers, Robert White not to mention John Romero whom chose to hire Warren to run the studio here in Austin to giving him the talented people whom created the game under Warren's directorship, that's whom and how I give credit as accurately as possible.
I would mention Harvey but believe (maybe incorrectly) he was responsible for much of what held Deus Ex back in his position as Lead Designer.

So I tried to claim he did everything huh? This time I'm going to quote myself.

"Yes, obviously there was an entire team that worked on the game, just like every other modern game ever made, but he ran that team and oversaw everything they did. Not to mention that he conceived the game to begin with. If you had to label one person as the "creator" then it would be Warren Spector"

Then I said……

"If there was another human being who was more responsible for the creation of Deus Ex then why don't you name him\her?"

I notice you didn't even respond to that question. Yes, you managed to name a few people who contributed on his team, but no one nearly as responsible for the creation of that game as him.

That would be like me naming some people who worked on Ultima and claiming that Richard Garriot wasn't the creator.

You are more than welcome to post any links you would like, if you have some info you want to share, certainly I enjoy learning factual information especially about games I care about.

The above link I posted should be more than enough.

Ah, what the hell…..why not?







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