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September 9th, 2007, 13:10
Originally Posted by Moriendor View Post
@ Asbjoern: I'm not quite sure it makes sense to really go in-depth on a discussion about Microsoft with a "Microsoft is big and eeevvuuuuhhhhllll" hater because it's unlikely I'll change your mind (not that I really want to anyway ) so I'll just say this….
I'm not particularly a Microsoft "hater", but I do despise Microsoft's gaming services (X360 and "Games for Windows"). As long as Microsoft stays away from gaming and focuses on creating great operating systems, then I'm happy.

I think you might be partially confusing "Games for Windows" with the "Windows Live" service here. Those are two separate pairs of shoes.
Also, I don't see at all how it is "not fair" towards the other console devs. It's not really Microsoft's fault that Sony and Nintendo do not have or make gaming capable operating systems for the PC.
I'm not confusing the two programs. You are not able to see any comparison between the X360 and "Games for Windows" program?
Microsoft are trying to monopolize gaming with the "Games for Windows" platform. The X360 and "GfW" have similar front cover logos and you need "GfW" to use "Windows Live". Tell me any good reason to why there should be a front cover logo on "GfW" games? Couldn't it just have been written as information on the back? But if it could, then why would Microsoft have it written on the front cover? Because they want to tie their X360 platform together with PC gaming. Monopolizing.

What? So you are saying that it is ok for Microsoft to chain PC gaming and the X360 together with the reference that Sony or Nintendo could just make their own operating systems? That is very narrow-minded.

Finally, let's face it. The very last thing that PC gaming needs is any sort of fragmentation or a war among the prominent PC parties (MS, Apple, Linux derivatives) over the gaming side of things. The death of PC gaming is an often discussed no-issue but it might actually turn into a real issue if any such fragmentation should occur.
Do you really see that happening? Please take a look at these statistics and tell me if it is a potential threat.

I think a lot of people just don't realize how good we actually got it. Windows can be bought at a very fair price compared to the time you'll be using the OS. The system (ever since 2K/XP) is extremely stable and reliable on its own. If there wouldn't be companies such as *cough* Creative *cough* who can't code drivers for shit it would be so stable that it would be bordering on scary. Almost all games are getting a Windows release thanks to MS dominance in the market. Can you even begin to imagine the nightmare that would ensue if we had three companies/factions competing over the already hurting PC gaming market? We'd have Apple-exclusive, Linux-exclusive and Windows-exclusive games then. In addition to console exclusives. Gaming would be spread out across so many platforms it wouldn't even be funny. And I don't think I need to mention what this would mean for the quality of most games, right?
I never said we shouldn't thank Microsoft for bringing us great operating systems. But just because they do some things in a good way doesn't mean we have to accept their other services without criticism.

We're living in a nearly ideal PC gaming world where you just fire up your PC and play almost like you would do with a console but with a lot more flexibility. Vista and Games for Windows is getting us closer to the goal of complete hassle-free gaming. That's a good thing in my opinion. It will strengthen the position of PC gaming and make the PC a more attractive target platform for publishers.
How is PC gaming not hassle-free on Windows XP? I've never had any problems with it. So I just can't se the advantages of "GfW". The only thing it does is optimizing/streamlining PC gaming to their Vista platform.

And that's a bad thing? How? Why? Just because MS is big and eevuuuhhllll and cuz Vista is teh d3v!L? Please…
How can it not be a bad thing, when it only serves the purpose of forcing or incenting people to use Vista. You don't have any problems with Microsoft's marketing measures?

Of course it isn't ground-breaking but it is a commendable effort to keep the "crap" out by setting certain minimum standards for "Games for Windows" games (yes, I am aware that it doesn't work in all cases and with all games… that's why I said "attempt" in my first post and why I'm saying "effort" now).
But… sure. Feel free to boycot "Games for Windows". It's your right as a consumer to vote with your wallet. No problem at all. I was just trying to point out the clear advantages. That's all.
Relax brotha. We are only having a discussion.
But to me, those clear advantages you speak of, just aren't present. And "voting with your wallet" or being a political consumer is hardly an effective way to voice your concerns, though in an ideal liberal society it is meant to be like that. But I think you know just as well as me, that the world doesn't work entirely like that.
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