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No offense guys but this thread is turning into crap.
Lets get back on topic.
But is this post an RPG ... inquiring minds want to know ...
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No offense guys but this thread is turning into crap.
Lets get back on topic.
What I still don't understand is why Baldur's Gate is an rpg and Icewind Dale isn't one? It's the same engine, same gameplay. The only differences that I know of is in the scope of the game and the fact that Baldur's Gate feature's a lot of interaction between party members, and party members with NPCs. Is there something I'm missing?
I understand trying to label Diablo as a non-rpg, but there's a huge difference between Icewind Dale and Diablo. IWD has pretty much the same combat/interaction system as BG, so labeling IWD a hack&slash would imply that BG is also a hack&slash. No?
Icewind Dale featured a nice story in a beautiful gaming world, and those are two reasons why I consider it one of the top CRPGs.BG is more story driven, less fight inspired (even the dungeons has less amount of enemys).
I guess I didn't express myself precisely enough. I was talking more along the lines of the same gameplay, just slightly different design. More dialogue, more complex character interaction among the party members, etc.Should the engine dictate wether its a RPG or not?
I disagree. I believe Diablo cannot even be compared to IWD. The fact that there are a lot of enemies and lots of items isn't reason enough to make it like Diablo, at least not in my book. IWD is linear, but does offer optional side-quests.I think the gameplay in Icewind Dale has much more in common with Diablo then with BG.
As I said, I don't believe this makes it Diablo-esque. The differences are huge imo.In IWD, your looking for new weapons, magic boosts and most of all, there is ALOT of enemies. HUMONGUS amount of enemies, borderline to ridicilous.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe you're exaggerating a bit. I think BG is similar, just maybe not as frequent as in IWD. These things are spread across more in BG, and maybe that's why you didn't consider them as bothersome. And this is because BG(I've been referring to BG2,btw) is colossal in size, while IWD is a lot smaller.There is alot, SLEEP, FIGHT, SLEEP, FIGHT, NEW WEAPON, FIGHT, LEVEL UP in IceWind Dale, in fact the whole idea is about that. The same as Diablo.
I agree with Squeek that IWD had a very nice story, with a beautiful setting, really cool and interesting characters(Arundel,Kresselack,to name a few).BG is more story driven, less fight inspired (even the dungeons has less amount of enemys).
In my opinion there is a much bigger difference between Vampire Bloodlines and HL2 than between IWD and BG2.If one should go by engine, then there is no doubt that Vampire is an action game. Since it uses Source engine. Or?
That's definitely true, but I would characterize it a little differently. I began playing RPGs shortly after Gygax created the genre in 1974, and I remember dungeons being a big deal from the very beginning: Dungeons were the first things designed; people who ran games were called "Dungeon Masters;" the game was called "Dungeons & Dragons," etc.There is a huge traditional force among RPG players and developers : THat is the group of the dungeon crawlers.
This group is old, very, very old and strong.
Did you say "pointful" on purpose? It would almost make sense in that sentence. Sorry it's bugging you, GG. I'll shut up now.making up your own defenitions is about as pointful as making up your own meaning of words!
Why on earth do we (me included) need to brand things.
Well, it's true I've never finished IWD2.
But I have played through IWD and Heart of Winter, and I still maintain there was a lot more roleplaying in the game than in a pure action rpg.
Anyone who thinks Icewind Dale isn't an RPG is borderline retarded.
Anyone who hates Baldur's Gate IS retarded!
Anyone who thinks Icewind Dale isn't an RPG is borderline retarded.
Diablo, Diablo2, Dungeon siege, etc -> Hack and slash RPG ( by defenition no debate!)
Anyone who hates Baldur's Gate IS retarded!
Anyone who hates Baldur's Gate IS retarded!
<-- retarded!
I just cannot bring myself to hate a game... hate is a mask of fear, and I'm just not afraid of attempts to entertain me, no matter whether they're successful or not.
But even if I didn't hate the BGs and IWDs, I would like to mention that they are prime examples of games I did not like.
*mutters something about 'condensed boredom', 'cringeworthy characters' and 'the most generic setting in all of AD&D' before limping back to the cell*
The reason I disliked (not hated ) BG was that once you came to Naskel mines, the main story turned into a mindless hackfest (in Naskel mines you killed kobolts. That was pretty much it. Then came the bandit camp, where you killed bandits. That was pretty much it THERE. Then came the Cloakwood mines! Where you killed orks. That's the point where I got fed up with BG). Before that I liked the game.
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