RPGWatch - Best RPGs of the ’80s Results

Originally Posted by ToddMcF2002
Couldn't watch the whole thing due to the annoying music. Couldn't even hear the guy.

Some feedback from my side to the video: Please make sure you use the same settings (software and things like distance to the microphone) for all recordings. This little thing would increase the level of professionalism quite a bit in my eyes.

Ultima Underworld: The Stygian Abyss 1992*
TES: Daggerfall 1996
Final Fantasy VII 1997
Death Knights of Krynn 1991

*Still the best game ever!

Originally Posted by Lord_Brownie
Ultima Underworld: The Stygian Abyss 1992*
TES: Daggerfall 1996
Final Fantasy VII 1997
Death Knights of Krynn 1991

*Still the best game ever!

That would be your votes? Because they are all already on the list.

Originally Posted by Kordanor
Some feedback from my side to the video: Please make sure you use the same settings (software and things like distance to the microphone) for all recordings. This little thing would increase the level of professionalism quite a bit in my eyes.

Thanks for the input! We're on it.

a little off topic but you could add to your list of games fixed by fan patches

Arcanum, Temple of Elemental Evil, and Ultima 9

Although the biggest and best fix for Arcanum doesn't address any of the balancing issues and isn't compatible with the other ones from what I understand either.

Though not great, from what I understand, but part of the fix for U9 came clandestinely from Garriot's design team who were let go from EA after that stinker. they were inspired by the other half of the patch, the dialogue fix that makes U9 more sensical and answers what happens between U8 and U9.

Originally Posted by Lucky Day
a little off topic but you could add to your list of games fixed by fan patches

Arcanum, Temple of Elemental Evil, and Ultima 9

Although the biggest and best fix for Arcanum doesn't address any of the balancing issues and isn't compatible with the other ones from what I understand either.

Though not great, from what I understand, but part of the fix for U9 came clandestinely from Garriot's design team who were let go from EA after that stinker. they were inspired by the other half of the patch, the dialogue fix that makes U9 more sensical and answers what happens between U8 and U9.

I haven't used Google here, but I think if my memory serves right, those first two games (Arcanum and ToEE) were early 2000's, like 2002-2004 or so.

Originally Posted by rossrjensen
I haven't used Google here, but I think if my memory serves right, those first two games (Arcanum and ToEE) were early 2000's, like 2002-2004 or so.

yeah, it was off topic. http://www.xp4t.com/ has another thread extolling the virtues of games fixed by fans.

/me wonders if there was a fan made fix for KotOR2. Obsidian only made one beta patch for it IIRC.

These are just the ones waiting for me in my basement. There must be even more:

Abandoned Places - A Time for Heroes
Al-Qadim - The Genies Curse (AD&D)
Amberstar
Ancient Evil
Anvil of Dawn
Bard's Tale Construction Set
Blaze & Blade
Bloodnet
Bloodstone - An epic Dwarven Tale
Burntime
Captive
Corporation
Corum II - The Dark Lord
Crusaders of Khazan (Tunnels & Trolls 1)
Daemonsgate - Dorovan's Key
Dark Queen of Krynn (AD&D KR3)
Dark Secrets of Africa
Dark Side of the Sun
Darkstone
Descent to Undermountain
Diablo - Hellfire
Dragonflight
Druid - Daemons of the Mind
Dusk of the Gods
Elvira - Mistress of the Dark
Elvira II - The Jaws of Cerberus
Entomorph - Plague of the Darkfall (World of Aden)
Escape from Hell
Escape from Ragor
Escape from Ragor II - Megrim's Rache
Gorky 17 (Odium)
Hard Nova
Heimdall
Heimdall 2 - Into the Hall of Worlds
Hexplore
Hexx - Heresy of the Wizard
Hired Guns
Infernal Tome Trilogy, The
J.R.R. Tolkien's The Lord of the Rings
Knights of Xentar
Lamentation Sword (Demon Spawn Akuma)
Legacy - Realm of Terror
Legacy of Kain I - Blood Omen
Legend of Faerghail
Legend of the Ancient Dragon - Das magische Zeitalter
Legends
Legends of Valour 1 - The Dawning
Lords of Doom
Magic Candle 2, The - The Four and Forty
Magic Candle III, The
Megatraveller 1 - The Zhodani Conspiracy
Megatraveller 2 - Quest for the Ancients
Might & Magic VII - For Blood and Honor
Nemesis - The Wizardry Adventure
Planet's Edge - The Point of No Return
Protostar - War on the Frontier
Quest for Glory IV - Shadows of Darkness
Quest for Glory V - Dragonfire
Rage of Mages
Rage of Mages II - Necromancer
Revenant
Seelenturm, Der (Tower of Souls)
Septerra Core - Legacy of the Creator
Shadow Caster
Shadowlands
Shadoworlds
Silver
Sleeping Gods lie
Spirit of Adventure
Sternenschweif (DSA 2) (Star Trail)
System Shock (CD)
System Shock 2
Trauma
Trial by Magic
Ultima 9 - Ascension
Valhalla (Ragnarök)
Whale's Voyage
Whale's Voyage II - Die Übermacht
Wizardry Gold
Worlds of Legend - Son of the Empire

Originally Posted by Sir_Brennus
These are just the ones waiting for me in my basement. There must be even more:

Abandoned Places - A Time for Heroes
Al-Qadim - The Genies Curse (AD&D)
Amberstar
Ancient Evil
Anvil of Dawn
Bard's Tale Construction Set
Blaze & Blade
Bloodnet
Bloodstone - An epic Dwarven Tale
Burntime
Captive
Corporation
Corum II - The Dark Lord
Crusaders of Khazan (Tunnels & Trolls 1)
Daemonsgate - Dorovan's Key
Dark Queen of Krynn (AD&D KR3)
Dark Secrets of Africa
Dark Side of the Sun
Darkstone
Descent to Undermountain
Diablo - Hellfire
Dragonflight
Druid - Daemons of the Mind
Dusk of the Gods
Elvira - Mistress of the Dark
Elvira II - The Jaws of Cerberus
Entomorph - Plague of the Darkfall (World of Aden)
Escape from Hell
Escape from Ragor
Escape from Ragor II - Megrim's Rache
Gorky 17 (Odium)
Hard Nova
Heimdall
Heimdall 2 - Into the Hall of Worlds
Hexplore
Hexx - Heresy of the Wizard
Hired Guns
Infernal Tome Trilogy, The
J.R.R. Tolkien's The Lord of the Rings
Knights of Xentar
Lamentation Sword (Demon Spawn Akuma)
Legacy - Realm of Terror
Legacy of Kain I - Blood Omen
Legend of Faerghail
Legend of the Ancient Dragon - Das magische Zeitalter
Legends
Legends of Valour 1 - The Dawning
Lords of Doom
Magic Candle 2, The - The Four and Forty
Magic Candle III, The
Megatraveller 1 - The Zhodani Conspiracy
Megatraveller 2 - Quest for the Ancients
Might & Magic VII - For Blood and Honor
Nemesis - The Wizardry Adventure
Planet's Edge - The Point of No Return
Protostar - War on the Frontier
Quest for Glory IV - Shadows of Darkness
Quest for Glory V - Dragonfire
Rage of Mages
Rage of Mages II - Necromancer
Revenant
Seelenturm, Der (Tower of Souls)
Septerra Core - Legacy of the Creator
Shadow Caster
Shadowlands
Shadoworlds
Silver
Sleeping Gods lie
Spirit of Adventure
Sternenschweif (DSA 2) (Star Trail)
System Shock (CD)
System Shock 2
Trauma
Trial by Magic
Ultima 9 - Ascension
Valhalla (Ragnarök)
Whale's Voyage
Whale's Voyage II - Die Übermacht
Wizardry Gold
Worlds of Legend - Son of the Empire

Impressive! However, I'm not quite sure what you want me to do with your list of treasures. A lot of those are already on the list of the Best RPG's of the 1990's Pre-Poll and a lot of them aren't actually RPG's at all.
If you have some suggestions that aren't already on the list, then by all means, let us know!

Originally Posted by Zloth
System Shock 2 came out in 1999 but that's pretty borderline as an RPG.

I do remember it as being heavier on the action than the original System Shock.
However, it is still classified as a first-person action RPG, so it should be on that list.

Originally Posted by PsychoSyd
Impressive! However, I'm not quite sure what you want me to do with your list of treasures. A lot of those are already on the list of the Best RPG's of the 1990's Pre-Poll and a lot of them aren't actually RPG's at all.
If you have some suggestions that aren't already on the list, then by all means, let us know!

Okay, I have overlooked some of the mentioned games

Remove

Amberstar
Legend of Faerghail
Startrail

The rest is not on the Pre-poll list.

For them not all being RPGs, well as long as you have Fantasy Empires on the list, which is a 100% strategy game, I think we can stretch it a little.

BTW: Cutting the list in half makes sense to me, too.

I definitely consider the Quest for Glory games to be RPGs, along with Septerra Core. The QFG games have multiple classes that change how you play the game, turn-based and state-based battles, character leveling, looting, and multiple endings depending on how you play the game. Sure, they are also point-and-click adventure games, but I think they meet the criteria to be considered an RPG. Although Septerra Core plays more like a typical console RPG, it was developed for and released on PC.

Yeah QFG's are hybrid adventure RPG's. Diablo is an action RPG. Both should be on the list.

Daniel.

Originally Posted by PsychoSyd
Diablo? Srsly? I don't know about that. I reckon that's more of a Hack and Slash with a spattering of RPG elements, if anything.
Heck, if enough people really want it on the list, then we COULD add it.
What does everybody think?

I think it should be added. It was influential to the industry in a lot of ways, and the gateway for others to be introduced to RPGs. Besides, the reason for the polls is to decide this stuff anyways, right?

Although I'm sure most of the votes will go to the heavyweights like U7, BG, PS:T and Fallout.

This list is bringing back lots of memories.

Originally Posted by Fenris
BG 2 was released 2000 ? Wow… BG 1 isn't that good unmodded…

Sounds about right. And while BG1 was a mind blowingly good game when it was released, that was almost entirely because of the infinity engine being superior to anything that had been used in a serious RPG before. I tried to replay it a few years later after I'd played BG2 several times, and I found it kind of dull in comparison.

I looked for EOB on the 1980s list because I'm pretty sure i played it in 1989. I'm pretty sure because I got my sound blaster in 1989 and EOB was the first game I played to the glory of digitized audio. However, I checked wikipedia and it says 1991. This screenshot says 1990:

http://www.mobygames.com/images/shot…le-screens.gif

I'm sticking with 1989, dammit. My memory never fails me.

The Copyright note is almost always in the past from what I know.

In game magazine of 1/91 (which releases in December already afaik) it was still a preview:
http://www.kultpower.de/archiv/hefte…991-01_012.jpg

The full test was then done 5/91 http://www.kultpower.de/archiv/hefte…991-05_021.jpg

Originally Posted by CraigCWB
I looked for EOB on the 1980s list because I'm pretty sure i played it in 1989. I'm pretty sure because I got my sound blaster in 1989 and EOB was the first game I played to the glory of digitized audio. However, I checked wikipedia and it says 1991. This screenshot says 1990:

http://www.mobygames.com/images/shot…le-screens.gif

I'm sticking with 1989, dammit. My memory never fails me.

I thought the same!

Daniel.

How about Heroquest? Awesome game, both PC and board, came out in 1991, and I replayed it a few years ago and had a blast.

http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2014…roquest-retro/

Daniel.

Originally Posted by Kordanor
The Copyright note is almost always in the past from what I know.

In game magazine of 1/91 (which releases in December already afaik) it was still a preview:
http://www.kultpower.de/archiv/hefte…991-01_012.jpg

The full test was then done 5/91 http://www.kultpower.de/archiv/hefte…991-05_021.jpg

Thanks for those screenshots! I wasn't even aware there were any Germans using IBM compatible PCs back then, before the information age, let alone enough to be worthy of magazines doing reviews of MS-DOS games. Interesting

Originally Posted by CraigCWB
Thanks for those screenshots! I wasn't even aware there were any Germans using IBM compatible PCs back then, before the information age, let alone enough to be worthy of magazines doing reviews of MS-DOS games. Interesting

Haha, well, I don't actually think that there was and still is any Country with more Magazines Covering PC games, than Germany.
In the early 90s you had:
PC Joker, ASM, PC Player, Power Play, Play Time, PC Review, PC Games and probably a couple more.
And due to some circumstances I got them all, almost as good as internet