Witcher 3 - Official Gameplay Trailer

Originally Posted by sakichop
Hmm, I don't know, does that still mean I'm a graphics whore? Or maybe just a graphics escort.

Nope more like one of those Cam S@#t.

TEXT ADVENTURES ARE THE ONLY LEGIT RPGs.

So yeah, the peeps who seem to think graphics don't impact immersion or whatnot…I am reminded, ironically, of what the Dark Souls 2 co-director said about graphics, basically saying they want to push the lighting and graphical fidelity because it directly improves the immersion. [Then they proceeded to strip out the improvements, but I digress.]

So yeah, Witcher 3's graphics are a strong selling point to its world.

Well I don't like the Dark Soul games Brumbek, and its not because of graphics.

I may be a graphics whore, but no kind of shiny graphics could make me buy Dark Souls. Or Lords of Fallen (was that the name?). Or Bloodborne.

I admit shiny graphics made me preorder Watch Dogs back in the day. It was a mistake I won't repeat easily (y'hear Ubi? I'm not buying sequels of that boredom!).

Well, I really like dark souls, lords of the fallen and bloodborne, but also not for the graphics.

Sakichop we all have opinions, and like different games so that's fine with me. Now as for my opinion I hate Dark souls, and any game that clones the game mechanics.

Now I do agree with you about the graphics of those games.

Originally Posted by Couchpotato
Sakichop we all have our own opinions, and like different games so that's fine with me.

I never thought for a second that it wouldn't be.

It was more a point that graphics aren't really the selling point of those games. The graphics are good but there not ground breaking.

Originally Posted by sakichop
Hmm, I love great graphics but I can also play the gold box games on dosbox or wizardry 1 with wire frame graphics.

I don't know, does that still mean I'm a graphics whore? Or maybe just a graphics escort.

You just don't fit into the little box the people who can only appreciate one kind of experience have made for you

Found an interesting image which outlines some of the locations featured in this gameplay trailer, along with their locations on the world map and the angle which they capture. Quite a big map. Too bad they don't feature the large castle which can be seen in the trailer. That one looks great.

The image is kind of spoilery, if you don't want to know where certain landmarks are.

Originally Posted by sakichop
Well, I really like dark souls, lords of the fallen and bloodborne, but also not for the graphics.

Well…naturally it is the gameplay that millions love about the Souls games. But better graphics does equal more immersion. That is my contention, one that is shared by many, many developers. People are too quick to forgive sloppy/lazy graphics, IMO. And have you tried Bloodborne? I'd argue it does in fact have AMAZING graphics, and that's coming from a 3D modeler/designer.

Originally Posted by Couchpotato
Well I don't like the Dark Soul games Brumbek, and its not because of graphics.

It's ok not to like them of course! However, I try to distinguish between my personal preferences and truly bad design. You may dislike the Souls games, but I say you would be very wrong to accuse them of bad design.

Or to put it on me, I strongly dislike RTS games, but it would be very wrong of me to accuse StarCraft II of bad design. We have our preferences, but it is good if we can see past them and recognize expertly crafted games even if we dislike them personally.

Originally Posted by Brumbek
It's ok not to like them of course! However, I try to distinguish between my personal preferences and truly bad design. You may dislike the Souls games, but I say you would be very wrong to accuse them of bad design.

Or to put it on me, I strongly dislike RTS games, but it would be very wrong of me to accuse StarCraft II of bad design. We have our preferences, but it is good if we can see past them and recognize expertly crafted games even if we dislike them personally.

It's not because of bad design Brumbek their just not my type games due to various reasons. So you see I never called it a bad game. I just don't like the Soul games.

Let me put it in simpler terms, "I get no enjoyment from playing Dark Soul games".

Originally Posted by Brumbek
Well…naturally it is the gameplay that millions love about the Souls games. But better graphics does equal more immersion. That is my contention, one that is shared by many, many developers. People are too quick to forgive sloppy/lazy graphics, IMO. And have you tried Bloodborne? I'd argue it does in fact have AMAZING graphics, and that's coming from a 3D

Don't get me wrong I love good graphics. I didnt purchase 2 Titan x cards because graphic aren't important to me. There just not the end all be all and there not the reaso I played the souls games for sure.

As for bloodborne, I'm guilty as charged. My pre-order copy still sits on my desk because I'm swamped at work. I assumed ( and maybe wrongly) since its on console I won't be wowed by the graphics as I haven't been by any other console release. Not that console games can't look good but after playing PC games at max setting in 4k I can't see me being wowed by a PS4 game , but I'll keep an open mind.

Eh? But isn't Bloodborne available on PC too? I mean… I thought it is. Not sure honestly.

EDIT:
It is not:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloodborne

LOL, sorry for me even mentioning it in my posts, I honestly didn't know it's some console exclusive not interesting enough to justify sales on other hardware setups.

Originally Posted by sakichop
Not that console games can't look good but after playing PC games at max setting in 4k I can't see me being wowed by a PS4 game , but I'll keep an open mind.

There's a lot more to visuals than just resolution and textures. I can definitely think of a few console games over the years that wowed me with their art direction and details despite being technically inferior to PC games released in the same time frame.

The Last of Us would be the most recent one that comes to mind. I haven't played Bloodborne yet, but I think it looks fantastic from what I've seen.

Originally Posted by Couchpotato
It's not because of bad design Brumbek their just not my type games due to various reasons. So you see I never called it a bad game. I just don't like the Soul games.

Let me put it in simpler terms, "I get no enjoyment from playing Dark Soul games".

I should have been more clear. I definitely figured you truly meant they merely weren't your type of games. I personally do try to word my dislike of a genre carefully. It is too easy to fall victim to "those games are stupid" when really it is just my preference. Anyway, we agree! Different strokes for different folks.

Originally Posted by sakichop
As for bloodborne, I'm guilty as charged. My pre-order copy still sits on my desk because I'm swamped at work. I assumed ( and maybe wrongly) since its on console I won't be wowed by the graphics as I haven't been by any other console release. Not that console games can't look good but after playing PC games at max setting in 4k I can't see me being wowed by a PS4 game , but I'll keep an open mind.

And there's the problem! You haven't tried it yet. It blew me away graphically. What I mean is the artistry combined with the VERY high polygon count and great water/blood shaders makes for a delicious visual feast. I totally understand PC is vastly superior, but Bloodborne is a marvel visually. (Now we cry that it will never get 60 FPS 1080p+ on PC since it is Sony's game.)

Originally Posted by JDR13
The Last of Us would be the most recent one that comes to mind. I haven't played Bloodborne yet, but I think it looks fantastic from what I've seen.

Yep. Bloodborne and The Last of Us Remastered are both works of art and technically very sound. Both give any PC game a run for their money visually and artistically…although Bloodborne's low FPS is obviously unfortunate.

Anyway, Bloodborne has set a new standard IMO for PS4 RPG graphics. Perhaps the Witcher 3 will too on XB1/PS4…

Originally Posted by Brumbek
Anyway, Bloodborne has set a new standard IMO for PS4 RPG graphics.

I thought that the new standard for console graphics is Order 1886.
And not just graphics, sadly.