Witcher 3 - GMG keys are not authorized

Originally Posted by Gorath
I pretty much stopped buying at GMG and Steam. Both are too expensive after the EUR conversion.

It's the reverse for Steam in Canada. The Canadian dollars has been devalued by about 20%, and Steam has only upped its prices by about 10%.

Manufacturers determine who they will sell their products to. Whether or not a product can be resold by another company (as opposed from one individual to another) has to do with contracts, agreements, and what laws exist in the country in question.

We're talking about what are legal activities by an actual business, not what some guy with a truck does when he gets his hands on some cheap shit in Italy and takes it over to Germany to sell at a flea market. There are trade agreements that set a lot of the parameters as to what legit businesses must do in order to do multi-national business; there are import/export fees, etc. to be paid by legit companies.

None of us know what agreements CDPR has with their retailers concerning re-selling keys. But I would suspect that CDPR prohibits resale of their keys. This is why they say the keys are not legit, it is because they know that they never sold any keys ton GMG and the keys are not allowed to be resold. As far as we know, they aren't even legitimate keys and GMG is using a keygen utility to make them. CDPR is doing the right thing by disavowing keys that they never authorized GMG to sell.

GMG is a reputable company, why would they do something illegal like using a keygen? It doesn't make an ounce of sense.

Omega is also saying that Costco's Omega watches are "not legit" because they have not bought them through the official channels (at inflated prices). At the end of the day it has no meaning, because it doesn't violate the first sale doctrine. It doesn't matter what the company says is legit or not legit, it only matters whether the merchandise violates copyright law. First sale doctrine is not a copyright violation (although it's funny, in the Omega vs. Costco case Omega tried to add a "copyright" symbol to its worldwide watches so it could sue Costco later).

A trade agreement cannot render the first sale doctrine null and void.

It really just seems to me that CDPR is being given a free pass because they try so hard to portray themselves as "one of us hardcore gamers who understands you". It's just a company like any other at the end of the day that is all about the bottom line.

Originally Posted by zahratustra
I'm talking about custom duties and you are talking about VAT. If it was only a question of 20% VAT people will be making fortunes selling Ukrainian cigarettes in the UK.

Btw there is no import duties on video games, electronic good in UK. Only 20% VAT.

Originally Posted by lostforever
Btw there is no import duties on video games, electronic good in UK. Only 20% VAT.

25% on my side and I fell already like they're skinning me alive.
It's still okay I guess, Steam tried to persuade people into 75% VAT.

Originally Posted by CelticFrost
Do you care to explain?

They have released what 3 games since 2002 with their 4th and 5th games coming out soon? They have done nothing but support them with updates and great game play if you like the witcher style of games.

Eh over the years was probably wrong, but in the last 2 or so years.
Alot due to proxy with the "Good news" stuff happening at GoG.

But there was also the part where they agressively tried to sue filesharers while riding their pirate conversion line during Witcher 2.
And lately the season pass stuff.

Don't get me wrong I think they're still pretty much the best devs out there and I'll still buy pretty much any game from them, but they don't get free passes anymore heh.

Originally Posted by joxer
It is not silly, it is called dumping and is used to kill off the competition. Once they are out of job and closed because they couldn't afford the loss and you were hired/sold a product because you were extremely cheap - you're the only one who remains to set the future price.
I'm not sure if GMG went that route as it's impossible to kill sites that offer discounts here and there like GamersGate, but the reality, at least in my case, is that past couple of years I bought more games at GMG than elsewhere.

In some countries the practice is not legal, recently alibaba company (parent of aliexpress) was fined in china for dumping prices of certain merchandise.

Yeah I know the practice alot of good small shops die to it.
I meant silly in the way that GMG comes across to me as a little kid stomping their feet cause they didn't get a part of the cake.
The practice in itself I find rather disgusting, but I doubt GMG is really big enough to drive someone out of business that way.

I think I bought one game over there probably be gonna be the first and last one lol.

Originally Posted by Humanity has risen!
GMG is a reputable company, why would they do something illegal like using a keygen? It doesn't make an ounce of sense.

Omega is also saying that Costco's Omega watches are "not legit" because they have not bought them through the official channels (at inflated prices). At the end of the day it has no meaning, because it doesn't violate the first sale doctrine. It doesn't matter what the company says is legit or not legit, it only matters whether the merchandise violates copyright law. First sale doctrine is not a copyright violation (although it's funny, in the Omega vs. Costco case Omega tried to add a "copyright" symbol to its worldwide watches so it could sue Costco later).

A trade agreement cannot render the first sale doctrine null and void.

It really just seems to me that CDPR is being given a free pass because they try so hard to portray themselves as "one of us hardcore gamers who understands you". It's just a company like any other at the end of the day that is all about the bottom line.

I agree. Replace CDPR with EA and the forum would be ablaze with hatred, but CDPR seems to be like a cute puppy that is sooo cute when it shits on your carpet.

So you consider CDPR and EA equally terrible but one is being pampered while the other isn't?

Originally Posted by Humanity has risen!
GMG is a reputable company, why would they do something illegal like using a keygen? It doesn't make an ounce of sense.

Omega is also saying that Costco's Omega watches are "not legit" because they have not bought them through the official channels (at inflated prices). At the end of the day it has no meaning, because it doesn't violate the first sale doctrine. It doesn't matter what the company says is legit or not legit, it only matters whether the merchandise violates copyright law. First sale doctrine is not a copyright violation (although it's funny, in the Omega vs. Costco case Omega tried to add a "copyright" symbol to its worldwide watches so it could sue Costco later).

A trade agreement cannot render the first sale doctrine null and void.

It really just seems to me that CDPR is being given a free pass because they try so hard to portray themselves as "one of us hardcore gamers who understands you". It's just a company like any other at the end of the day that is all about the bottom line.

I don't find it intuitively clear that a Polish and a British company are concerned by a NA "first sale doctrin".

And I don't think that HHR realises that different countries (or blocs of countries) might have different laws. Or that it even doesn't apply in his native Canada

Originally Posted by Gorath
I don't find it intuitively clear that a Polish and a British company are concerned by a NA "first sale doctrin".

Lol I wasn't gonna say it.

Originally Posted by zahratustra
And I don't think that HHR realises that different countries (or blocs of countries) might have different laws. Or that it even doesn't apply in his native Canada

Expect that the EU including UK has similar concepts in law,

EU Court Says, Yes, You Can Resell Your Software, Even If The Software Company Says You Can't

https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20…you-cant.shtml

IANAL, This effectively mean you can sell your GOG key (thr GOG account the key is activated on) even after you have played the game. There was similar ruling recently where in EU you can sell your Steam account legally.

Originally Posted by wolfing
I agree. Replace CDPR with EA and the forum would be ablaze with hatred, but CDPR seems to be like a cute puppy that is sooo cute when it shits on your carpet.

If it was EA I'd still praise 16 freebie DLC and hate season pass.
Would also hate that shipping from the official store to outside of USA is hell a lot of cash.
CDpr or someone else, I said that already on this forum. I mean, there is no way I'd bless season pass made by, dunno, Deck13, but at the same time hate season pass made by Pluto13. I'd hate them both.

If you're referring on the ontopic thing with GMG, I dunno what to think. From official sources we don't have enough info on it to decide if CDpr is to blame, if GMG is to blame, or someone/something else is to blame.

But we can't replace EA with CDpr in this case at all.
CDpr and GMG got into "catfight". No certain CDpr game on GMG (from official source that is). It went public, fingers were pointed, but soon after they sorted it out.
On another side, EA and Steam, years ago, had a "disagreement". The result is no certain EA games on Steam. Official or nonofficial source. Did they sort it out? NO.

Originally Posted by wolfing
I agree. Replace CDPR with EA and the forum would be ablaze with hatred, but CDPR seems to be like a cute puppy that is sooo cute when it shits on your carpet.

One is a soulless company that destroys everything that is good the other one well they are trying to give us RPG games something that no one else has been able to do. Oh and still seems to have their soul.

LOL no.
"One" is one and only american devil. We can't know if it has a soul, but we do know one can sell their soul to the american devil. As seen in honest trailers (from 0:07):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5_mHgxSRzQ