Prey - Frontrunner for GotY 2017?

The Division is RPG.

Originally Posted by Capt. Huggy Face
Calling Dishonored a sim of any kind is just plain stupid.

Probably as stupid as calling prodcuts with little to roleplaying RPGs. Yet that is the norm.

Originally Posted by ChienAboyeur
The Division is RPG.


Probably as stupid as calling prodcuts with little to roleplaying RPGs. Yet that is the norm.

Wel I'm a misfit and will not accept norms.

Originally Posted by Capt. Huggy Face
Calling Dishonored a sim of any kind is just plain stupid.

Err, no. Sim not as "Sims", but as more realistic gameplay simulation where environment, physics and direct player actions allow more interaction.

Originally Posted by BoboTheMighty
Err, no. Sim not as "Sims", but as more realistic gameplay simulation where environment, physics and direct player actions allow more interaction.

I understand not The Sims. I play and have played plenty of sims. Rise of Flight is a sim. I'm understand calling the new Elite a sim, as the flight models do attempt to be more realistic than space arcade shooters.

I guess I draw the line at Dishonored. There's absolutely nothing realistic about its physics. I guess I disagree with the part of your definition that includes player interaction. I liked it better when they said Dishonored had "emergent gameplay." That is a much-better description. I agree the player can find many different ways to approach a problem, and the game world encourages this. However, the game world isn't simulating anything.

I can't say I see this game as a "turn off"; but can definitely say I currently fail to see a "turn on" in what I've seen so far. From what I understand an 'immersive sim' involves a large, enjoyable, learn-as-you-go, environment. So that's how the Deus ex's and Dishonoreds of the world fit in. Got to learn the envrinment, and interact with it.

So OK.

But where I have problems is when the interaction is nearly all with the environment; and not with people -- persons -- humans. Without the latter, I can't see how my PC can have or develop any sort of a personality -- the latter simply requires other people as I see it.

Interact with a strange spaceship environment -- I can see how the puzzle aspects could definitely turn on lots of folks. It just ain't doing a lot for me at the moment.

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Originally Posted by RPGFool
Interact with a strange spaceship environment -- I can see how the puzzle aspects could definitely turn on lots of folks. It just ain't doing a lot for me at the moment.

It looks like a System Shock sort of deal to me. I'm not sure how much character interaction I'd expect.