Movie help please. STARWARS

Originally Posted by Peter Stauffenberg
What Rogue One does is to fill in that info gap. It also fills the big plot hole from A New Hope making it possible for a single proton torpedo to take out an entire death star.

What plot hole would that be? The proton torpedo was supposed to hit the DS main reactor to cause a chain reaction, right? It seems pretty logical to me except for the existence of the… hole . Is that what you mean? The exhaust vent "hole" = the plot hole?

Because other than that, well, if you would send a high explosive missile (think future tech where the explosive power of a small missile would be much larger than today) down the "chimney" (cooling tower) of a nuclear power plant, I would guess that would have devastating effects, too, right?

It certainly seems a little odd that the reactor was not better guarded (e.g. by a vent system with more turns and obstacles etc.) but on a whole I thought that this was quite plausible and the poor security could be attributed to Tarkin's obvious arrogance and overconfidence.

It wasn't possible to hit the main reactor in the death star II from the surface with a missile because they fixed the build flaw. Instead they had to fly a twisty path from the surface to the main reactor.

The flaw was that it was possible to send a missile in a straight line from the surface to the main reactor. Why the death star I had that design flaw is explained in Rogue One.

The starwars fanatics have always been a bit aggravated with this obvious plot hole that the death star didn't have better protection of its main reactor core.

I have to agree with Mo on this, though I see it differently.


And again, I iterate, this new movie retcons the idea the plans were stolen by "rebel spies" seemingly some time in the past - maybe a few weeks ago - which eventually led the empire to this phony "consulor ship".

And if this is a consular ship just where was the ambassador anyway? Did it not occur to Vader that the princess could have qualified as a consular?

First a quick explanation: I have not watched Rogue One yet so I'm just going by the OT.

Originally Posted by Peter Stauffenberg
The flaw was that it was possible to send a missile in a straight line from the surface to the main reactor. Why the death star I had that design flaw is explained in Rogue One.

The starwars fanatics have always been a bit aggravated with this obvious plot hole that the death star didn't have better protection of its main reactor core.

Hmmm… as I said, I wouldn't really consider that as an obvious plot hole. The way I see it is that the X-/Y-/Wing guidance system was programmed to lock on the vent as best as possible.
The proton torpedo probably had an advanced active guiding system so after it went into the small vent opening (the hard part), it automatically found its way to the greatest energy and/or heat emitter (= the reactor core).
I believe that you can actually see from the simplified animation when the rebel pilots are briefed about the weakness that the projectile is not moving towards the core in a straight line but that it needed to fly there in an arc.

We don't really know how *exactly* it got to the core… just that it made it there… but this would seem to be one of those parts where you have to use your imagination a little bit and imagine how the torpedo's active guidance system navigated it to the core while the DS crew was flipping switches and activating the main superlaser cannon to destroy Yavin.

I am convinced that the Empire was simply too arrogant and overconfident so they made a silly mistake (they did not realize it was a mistake at the time, of course) when they designed the first DS. You can tell in ANH that Tarkin thinks the Empire is invincible, especially after the destruction of Alderaan.
Palpatine (only a background character in ANH, of course) was also extremely arrogant and just a little too confident. Remember how he referred to the rebellion as a "pitiful little band" in RotJ?

The only person in ANH who realized the danger was Vader. He actually clashed with Tarkin a few times when they had different opinions on the significance of the rebellion. Tarkin's final mistake in underestimating the rebels was his last and fatal one while Vader lived because he anticipated the perils (with the help of the force, no doubt).

The weakness that enabled the ultimate destruction of the 1st DS was caused by the blatant overconfidence of Palpatine and Tarkin. They thought they had the rebels by the balls and they never expected that the rebels would be crazy enough to attack with small fighters instead of with frigates and other capital ships.
Then, when the attack happened with small fighters, Luke managed to score a one in a million hit by squeezing his torpedo right into the vent (the hard part) and the torpedo then auto-locked onto the greatest energy source and flew/guided itself right through the ventilation system (the easier part).

I'm not seeing any gaping plot hole there. If we want to talk plot holes then I'm wondering more about…

- What happened to the DS tractor beam system? It managed to disable the Millennium Falcon's avionics systems from pretty far away… why not the rebel fighters or the MF when it swooped in at the last second?
- Why was the 1st DS not protected by at least a small fleet of S(S)Ds? Where the hell was the (huge) Imperial fleet? The DS had no escort at all? Seriously?
- Why was there only such a very small number of TIEs? The DS should have easily been able to launch dozens upon dozens of squadrons…

I'd consider the proton torpedo thing a rather small and actually "fixable" (with a bit of filling in the gap thinking) issue in comparison.

You guys are overthinking these movies.

Relax and enjoy them for what they are. Good pieces of entertainment.


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Mo, you might be surprised to learn it was Hedd Lamarr of all people that invented the Spread Spectrum torpedo guidance system.

So..not some crazy old wizard?

The title for Episode VIII is going to be The Last Jedi.

I suppose it could have been worse…

That line AGAIN?? Doubly painful having just finished Knights of the Old Republic 2.

Originally Posted by Zloth
That line AGAIN?? Doubly painful having just finished Knights of the Old Republic 2.

lol

When I saw the title for the new movie, KoTOR 2 is exactly what came to my mind…and I think an Exile movie would probably be much more interesting than more Luke Skywalker.

Originally Posted by JDR13
The title for Episode VIII is going to be The Last Jedi.

I suppose it could have been worse…

Hmm…

If Luke is the last Jedi then what is Rey?
If Rey is the last Jedi then that means Luke hit the bucket in this movie!

Originally Posted by lostforever
Hmm…

If Luke is the last Jedi then what is Rey?
If Rey is the last Jedi then that means Luke hit the bucket in this movie!

Well Rey is not a Jedi, she's just force sensitive. She needs to be trained in the Jedi ways (by the last Jedi). That's not to say the title is not inherently wrong, as I'm sure there will be more Jedis in the future of the universe.

Jedi are an actual order. You could get strong in the light side and never join the order. (Same with the Sith.)

Luke has mostly just read about Jedi. Obi-wan trained him a little, Yoda trained him more, but the Jedi console? Jedi philosophy? Jedi traditions?? He'll only know what he's read. Especially after the incident with his nephew, I wouldn't be surprised if he just dumped the whole thing and started his own order. Or taught Rey what he knows and let her start a new order. (Nah, the Luki order sounds like a better replacement for Jed's order. Reyi is too hard to say. ;)

Originally Posted by JDR13
The title for Episode VIII is going to be The Last Jedi.

I suppose it could have been worse…

Confirmed then that Tom Cruise is starring? Left the order for the scientology.