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June 9th, 2017, 19:42
Sure. Any product that let players take one turn at a time is UgoIgo.
Of course, a UgoIgo product can not be played UgoIgo.
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June 9th, 2017, 20:38
lol, there goes Chien again, really getting his favorite word in, multiple times in one post…
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June 9th, 2017, 20:42
Originally Posted by Arkadia7 View Post
lol, there goes Chien again, really getting his favorite word in, multiple times in one post…
You understand something at what he's saying?

Every time I see UgoIgo, I think it's the name of some sort of Japanese game.
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June 9th, 2017, 20:52
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You understand something at what he's saying?

Every time I see UgoIgo, I think it's the name of some sort of Japanese game.
Ha ha ha…yea, I can see why you might think that.

What he means is a turn based game, like chess. White makes a move, while Black waits, then after White moves, Black has to move, while White waits…"UgoIgo" is Chien's special shorthand for that.

For some reason, Chien seems fixated on this concept, lol, not sure why. He sure does bring it up a lot though.
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June 10th, 2017, 00:36
Originally Posted by azarhal View Post
You understand something at what he's saying?

Every time I see UgoIgo, I think it's the name of some sort of Japanese game.
I thought UgoIgo was new Yugioh or something lol
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June 10th, 2017, 06:52
Originally Posted by Arkadia7 View Post
Ha ha ha…yea, I can see why you might think that.

What he means is a turn based game, like chess. White makes a move, while Black waits, then after White moves, Black has to move, while White waits…"UgoIgo" is Chien's special shorthand for that.
No.UgoIgo is a generic term, coined decades ago to name that kind of turn based products.
That is a crazy thought to think that players who play mostly UgoIgo products are unaware of one name given to the products they play.

A few years ago, finding out this is the case would have surprising. After coming on this site, it would be less of a surprise.
For some reason, Chien seems fixated on this concept, lol, not sure why. He sure does bring it up a lot though.
No. People on this site play a great deal of UgoIgo products. So much this site would gain to be named the UgoIgoWatch instead of the RPGwatch.

They are also so fixated on the structure that when they see a RTwP product, they want it to play as a UgoIgo product.
Or when a product is undubiously turn based, they cant accept it as such because it is not explicitly UgoIgo.

Reporting an obsession is not being obsessed.
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June 10th, 2017, 06:57
Yeaaaah…or you could just call it "turn-based", like everyone who's actually sane does.
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June 10th, 2017, 07:32
Originally Posted by ChienAboyeur View Post
No.UgoIgo is a generic term, coined decades ago to name that kind of turn based products.
That is a crazy thought to think that players who play mostly UgoIgo products are unaware of one name given to the products they play.

A few years ago, finding out this is the case would have surprising. After coming on this site, it would be less of a surprise.

No. People on this site play a great deal of UgoIgo products. So much this site would gain to be named the UgoIgoWatch instead of the RPGwatch.

They are also so fixated on the structure that when they see a RTwP product, they want it to play as a UgoIgo product.
Or when a product is undubiously turn based, they cant accept it as such because it is not explicitly UgoIgo.

Reporting an obsession is not being obsessed.
Great, nice to hear the background of your favorite word…

But Chien, you know that most games, at least the ones played on tabletop, like Chess, Backgammon, Go, Mancala, Dominoes and almost all the board/tabletop type games that came before, they were all "UgoIgo".

It's just a really basic mechanism, that most tabletop (non-Sports) games have as their core. It would be more interesting if you can actually say you are arguing for real time with pause in computer games over UgoIgo. Then, I could understand you bringing it up all the time. Maybe you do and have done so in the past - I don't know - but otherwise, what is the point? Hey, maybe you should start saying that people are obsessed with games at RPG Watch too…get my drift? There is no point.
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June 10th, 2017, 08:32
While UGOIGO is an actual term (You go I go), Chien uses it when it's not applicable. A RTWP game for example cannot be UGOIGO, it is WEGO, as all actions are happening at the same time. A turn based game with simultaneous turns is also WEGO.
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June 10th, 2017, 10:41
Originally Posted by tomasp3n View Post
While UGOIGO is an actual term (You go I go), Chien uses it when it's not applicable. A RTWP game for example cannot be UGOIGO, it is WEGO, as all actions are happening at the same time. A turn based game with simultaneous turns is also WEGO.
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While UGOIGO is an actual term
If it was a common term wouldn't I get some appropriate hits on Google?
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June 10th, 2017, 12:53
Originally Posted by Morrandir View Post
If it was a common term wouldn't I get some appropriate hits on Google?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turns,…stems_in_games

The latter games fall into player-alternated games (also called "I-Go-You-Go", or "IGOUGO" for short), and are further subdivided into (A) ranked, (B) round-robin start and (C) random—the difference being the order under which players start within a turn: (A) the first player being the same every time, (B) the first player selection policy is round-robin, and (C) the first player is randomly selected. Some games also base the order of play on an "initiative" score that may in part be based on players' attributes or positions within the game or other, outside factors as well as dice rolls. Wizard101 is an example of this style.

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June 10th, 2017, 12:55
Originally Posted by Morrandir View Post
If it was a common term wouldn't I get some appropriate hits on Google?
I said actual, not common. I've never heard anyone but Chien use it commonly. You'll probably find some board game discussions or such with a google search though?

Edit: Dart beat me to it. Well played.
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June 10th, 2017, 12:56
I don't know about common - but I've certainly known about it for decades. I think it was more common back when turn-based games and boardgames were the norm.

These days, turn-based is more or less a thing of the past in mainstream gaming apart from a few notable exceptions, like Civ.

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June 10th, 2017, 12:59
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Now you've done it
I know, sometimes I just can't help myself. I will now proceed with hitting my head against a wall which while not very smart is probably more productive than trying to point out errors in Chiens reasoning.
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Originally Posted by NewDArt View Post
I don't know about common - but I've certainly known about it for decades. I think it was more common back when turn-based games and boardgames were the norm.

These days, turn-based is more or less a thing of the past in mainstream gaming apart from a few notable exceptions, like Civ.
And XCOM and Total War and…no, those are probably it. Notable exceptions it is.
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June 10th, 2017, 13:11
Originally Posted by tomasp3n View Post
A RTWP game for example cannot be UGOIGO, it is WEGO, as all actions are happening at the same time. A turn based game with simultaneous turns is also WEGO.
It is written in a previous post.
This product is turn based.
With the inclusion of an auto pause feature at the end/start of each turn, this product turns UgoIgo.

WEGO is reserved for players who play RTwP, not slideshow players. And once yhe option of auto pause is set, it is UgoIgo.


Originally Posted by Morrandir View Post
If it was a common term wouldn't I get some appropriate hits on Google?
The commonality of a term is cast against a population. People who never play a game in their life are expected to never have heard the term UgoIgo.
On this site, maybe half of the products players do are UgoIgo. Players who played dozens if not hundreds of them and do not know one name, for many of them, in their own language.
Nothing to be downplayed here. That is facing the abyss right here, right now.
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June 10th, 2017, 13:28
Originally Posted by Arkadia7 View Post
It's just a really basic mechanism, that most tabletop (non-Sports) games have as their core. It would be more interesting if you can actually say you are arguing for real time with pause in computer games over UgoIgo. Then, I could understand you bringing it up all the time… There is no point.
It was already answered. So once more, the frequency of the term is determined by the products featured on here. Many of them are UgoIgo. Therefore qualified as such.

As to arguing RTwP over UgoIgo, that is getting it backwards. People on this site argued UgoIgo over anything else so much that when a product is not UgoIgo; they drop a line to state they wish it to be UgoIgo.

Arguing RTWP is pointless because RTwP is being turned into a commercial moniker to set a product apart from the competition.
That is all.

The cause is there is no audience for RTwP. RTwP products require a basic skillsets UgoIgo players do not have.

Determined devs who care more about releasing a product than selling could end making a RTwP product. In most cases, they want to sell and then must meet the demand.
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June 10th, 2017, 13:53
Actually, no. Pausing would not make it UGOIGO, that only means you don't understand the term. Chess is UGOIGO, as is most turn based games. But imagine you're playing RTwP against another human, and the game pauses after every turn. You both give your orders, and then the pause ends. All commands are executed at the same time, making it a WEGO system if we're talking in those terms. You say UGOIGO when you in fact mean turn based which is not necessarily the same thing. Get your facts straight.
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June 10th, 2017, 14:05
Originally Posted by tomasp3n View Post
Actually, no. Pausing would not make it UGOIGO, that only means you don't understand the term. Chess is UGOIGO, as is most turn based games. But imagine you're playing RTwP against another human, and the game pauses after every turn. You both give your orders, and then the pause ends. All commands are executed at the same time, making it a WEGO system if we're talking in those terms. You say UGOIGO when you in fact mean turn based which is not necessarily the same thing. Get your facts straight.
Are you aware of the fact that you're exchanging with Chien?

Meaning, you're not really exchanging. You're talking to the wrong end of a one-way misinformation-phone.

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