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September 14th, 2017, 16:29
Its a funny kind of paradox.
Fanatics decry the male role as protectionist and borderline evil for the protective nature they have. Demanding the right to not "suffer" under the bondage of the ideal of protectionism.

Yet on the flipside expect the magic government to protect them from everything.
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September 14th, 2017, 17:17
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Such a cliché. I don't think I've ever come across someone who said "O, I don't think I'll do that, because this was the outcome for xxx in yyy", or "Let us take these xxx steps now, otherwise we'll end up like yyy in zzz".

History never repeats itself exactly. And because the present always differs from the past people think the/their present will have a different outcome.
Yes, we tend to think in a binary kind of way. A good solution and a bad solution. But there are countless bad and good solutions so changing some parameters doesn't guarantee success or failure.
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September 14th, 2017, 17:39
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Such a cliché. I don't think I've ever come across someone who said "O, I don't think I'll do that, because this was the outcome for xxx in yyy", or "Let us take these xxx steps now, otherwise we'll end up like yyy in zzz".

History never repeats itself exactly. And because the present always differs from the past people think the/their present will have a different outcome.

But yeah, when present tendencies are discussed history is often set as an example and (mis)used to put some weight in the political arguments.

History is good for science, and to learn what good and awful things homo sapiens is capable of.
So yeah, women can and will fight just like men. Duh. And some societies were smart enough to acknowledge that and rewarded them for it by giving them important positions.
Let's keep the topic to humans and not bring birds into the picture.

Also I'm not sure what jacob's syndrome or trisomy X have to do with anything.
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September 14th, 2017, 19:32
I don't get why this awesome thread was derailed into this mindless bs about modern society and gender roles. Why can't we just enjoy the idea of badass shieldmadens.



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September 14th, 2017, 19:58
https://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Shield_Maiden_(5e_Class)

Shield Maiden

The Shield Maiden, a rare, brave and fascinating woman, with the courage of a man who chooses to accompany men, fighting in front among the bravest, or charge alone, into battle with shield, sword, and spear as a warrior woman.


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September 14th, 2017, 20:13
I am sure most dads want to protect their kids, same with mothers. I dont see how that is a negative trait.
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I am sure most dads want to protect their kids, same with mothers. I dont see how that is a negative trait.
Welcome to the world of online pseudosocialism, where any trait, moral, ideal, or action can be vilified! Yay for armchair philosophy and no action!
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September 14th, 2017, 21:26
Also the place of imaginary statements that were never actually made

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September 14th, 2017, 21:28
If I understood Dart's post correctly, it is about the fact that we as a society still have an apparent need for men to protect women and children. As a society we should have grown pasts that and reached a point where this protection is not needed and therefor also not desired.
At least that is how I interpreted it and is also something I agree with. Unfortunately we are also far, far away from such a society.
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September 14th, 2017, 21:36
Originally Posted by Myrthos View Post
If I understood Dart's post correctly, it is about the fact that we as a society still have an apparent need for men to protect women and children. As a society we should have grown pasts that and reached a point where this protection is not needed and therefor also not desired.
At least that is how I interpreted it and is also something I agree with. Unfortunately we are also far, far away from such a society.
That is correct

My "pseudosocialistic" opinion is that we tend to view the capacity to fight and wage war as something to honor and aspire to.

I know it can be terribly inconvenient when people don't share opinions, but I just happen to think there are abilities that would benefit us all to a much wider degree, and I would love it if people joined in celebrating a different kind of human being - as well as working towards a different kind of world, rather than being stuck on what will ultimately only bring suffering and misery to the world, regardless of best intentions.

Now, you can back to your profound history lessons.

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September 14th, 2017, 21:36
Originally Posted by Myrthos View Post
If I understood Dart's post correctly, it is about the fact that we as a society still have an apparent need for men to protect women and children. As a society we should have grown pasts that and reached a point where this protection is not needed and therefor also not desired.
At least that is how I interpreted it and is also something I agree with. Unfortunately we are also far, far away from such a society.
I dont see how it is such a bad thing considering current understanding of children's well being although it seems that single fathers make better parents than single mothers for some reason. The fathers is seen currently as the most expendable in a family unit and thus it should always be the father that is the first to give up his life to protect the family. There is literally no way to totally stop outside threats affecting a family, so even if we can stop other humans form killing others by implanting chips in them or something, there are accidents and natural disasters where the father has to protect his family with his life. It's only logical at this point.
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Originally Posted by NewDArt View Post
That is correct

My "pseudosocialistic" opinion is that we tend to view the capacity to fight and wage war as something to honor and aspire to.

I know it can be terribly inconvenient when people don't share opinions, but I just happen to think there are abilities that would benefit us all to a much wider degree, and I would love it if people joined in celebrating a different kind of human being - as well as working towards a different kind of world, rather than being stuck on what will ultimately only bring suffering and misery to the world, regardless of best intentions.

Now, you can back to your profound history lessons.
A father or mother protecting their children has far more application than just fighting and waging war.
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September 14th, 2017, 21:41
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A father or mother protecting their children has far more application than just fighting and waging war.
You have utterly failed to understand my point. There is nothing wrong with wanting or being able to protect others.

Again, the problem is that we still need to do so. My claim is that by celebrating our capacity to destroy, we're indirectly supporting destruction.

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September 14th, 2017, 21:46
With a vocabulary as vast as yours, one would think you could make your point more clearly
I mean if you need Myrthos to interpret, you have clearly dropped the ball.
+1 to interpretation skills Mythros.
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September 14th, 2017, 21:51
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With a vocabulary as vast as yours, one would think you could make your point more clearly
I mean if you need Myrthos to interpret, you have clearly dropped the ball.
+1 to interpretation skills Mythros.
I don't feel particularly responsible for how others fail to read words and use predisposed fantasies in place of paying attention

Myrthos simply bothered to read what I actually said. It's more or less a lost art online, I know.

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You have utterly failed to understand my point. There is nothing wrong with wanting or being able to protect others.

Again, the problem is that we still need to do so. My claim is that by celebrating our capacity to destroy, we're indirectly supporting destruction.
You missed my point, i recognized your point. I was pointing out how fathers NEEDING to protect their children has meaningful applications outside of war and fighting, like in accidents and natural disasters. Like the father will be the one that runs into the rip in the ocean or a lake to save their children caught in it despite losing their lives and possibly not saving the children at all and still dying. That should always be honored.
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September 14th, 2017, 21:57
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You missed my point, i recognized your point. I was pointing out how fathers NEEDING to protect their children has meaningful applications outside of war and fighting, like in accidents and natural disasters. Like the father will be the one that runs into the rip in the ocean or a lake to save their children caught in it despite losing their lives and possibly not saving the children at all and still dying. That should always be honored.
I'm afraid I can't equate the capacity to destroy or wage war with the capacity to act protectively during a natural disaster.

Regardless, I consider the need a very bad thing indeed. I'm not a big fan of natural disasters, sorry.

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September 14th, 2017, 22:03
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Regardless, I consider the need a very bad thing indeed.
Hes pulling a Chien and refusing to comprehend your point while asking for acceptance of his own at the same time. Sidestepping acknowledgement by strawman distractions such as "not a fan of natural disasters" etc.
Rest assured if Dart has kids he will feel the same protectionist ideal when his kids jump in the street in front of a car. I'm sure he will write strongly worded letters to local council about speed limits (or at least think about writing them), but at the time action is required, he will protect them.
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September 14th, 2017, 22:07
As I thought, it had nothing to do with my words - but your stubborn insistence that I said what you originally imagined, even after Myrthos pointed out your mistake for you.

Which is pretty sad but not at all uncommon online. The irony of your hipocrisy about the failings of online communication is pretty thick here.

Anyway, I have games to play and you have fantasies to indulge.

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September 14th, 2017, 22:16
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but I just happen to think there are abilities that would benefit us all to a much wider degree, and I would love it if people joined in celebrating a different kind of human being - as well as working towards a different kind of world, rather than being stuck on what will ultimately only bring suffering and misery to the world, regardless of best intentions.
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