The New World - Weapons, Armor, and Attacks

A new update for The New World focuses on weapons, armor, and attacks and has quite a lot of fun attention to details.

Since we’re implementing the combat system, let’s go over the weapons, armor, and attack types.

Notable changes from AoD:

• In AoD all combat skills had a passive effect which grew stronger with every point you put into the skill (i.e. Dodge’s passive ability is Counter-Attack; the higher the skill, the higher the chance to counter-attack when you dodge an attack). The problem was that all dodgers of equal skill level had the same chance to counter-attack, regardless of the weapon or stats. We added a bonus to passive chance for certain weapons to differentiate them more, but it didn’t go far enough. In The New World we move the passive affects to feats, weapons and attack stats, so if you want to have a good chance to counter-attack you’d have to pick proper feats and equip weapons with a high Reaction stat. More on that later.
• In AoD we had a traditional, linear progression: an iron sword replaced a bronze sword, a steel sword replaced an iron sword, etc. Same weapon model, higher damage (+1 per tier). The New World has 4 tiers representing the overall quality (crude, decent, good, excellent; these are internal tags, so you’ll never see a ‘crude revolver’ in-game) with multiple weapons per tier and different stats (so you can pick whatever weapon that fits your combat style better). To give you an idea, AoD has 40 unique weapon models, The New World has 87 unique weapon models, so you will have plenty to choose from.
• The downside is that there’s no crafting system. It’s much easier to tell the player that he/she forged a sword that’s better balanced and properly hardened. It’s more complicated with guns as it’s unlikely that your tinkering will add +2 to damage and +1 to penetration.

^ tier 2 pistols: an all-purpose revolver with a good interrupt chance, a low-accuracy multi-barrel pistol for 'up close and personal' situations, long-barrel pistol for those who favor aimed shots.

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Ranged combat

It’s a new design, so let’s go over the key concepts first

• Unlike melee , your effort doesn’t modify damage, so fast, regular, and aimed attacks do the same damage, which puts the focus on accuracy (i.e. the longer you aim, the higher your accuracy). Thus unlike melee Fast attack that gives you a THC bonus, ranged Snap Shot gives you a THC penalty; similarly melee Aimed attacks give you a THC penalty as they are easier to dodge, whereas ranged Aimed Attacks give you a THC bonus, so the concepts are reversed.
• Range is an important stat for balance purposes (shotguns do a lot of damage up close but lose their accuracy fast, rifles take longer to aim and fire than pistols but have a long range). For example, the famous Sten SMG was described as wildly inaccurate beyond 30 meters, so weapons with short effective ranges are certainly realistic.
• Each tier (i.e quality) increases damage, accuracy, and modifiers, representing better quality and precision, but not by far. Whereas in Wasteland 2 the starting pistol does 5-8 points of damage and the endgame pistol does 100-135, in The New World a pipe pistol does the same 5-8 points of damage and the best unique pistol does 9-14 points of damage, but the overall quality increases accuracy, range, penetration, which are equally important stats.
• So while all pistols of the same tier (i.e. same quality) that use the same ammo do the same damage, we ‘randomize’ the system via bullet types:
  - 9mm – generic, no modifiers, cheapest
  - 0.45 – heavy bullet, damage +1, packs a strong punch (bonus to stagger), higher chance to cause critical
  - 5.56 – light bullet for high velocity guns (rifles and long SMGs), - 1 to damage, +10 to magazine size, +10 to penetration
  - Shotgun shell – high CS, high graze, penalty to penetration
  - Energy cell – its own group, doesn’t mix with the rest. The unique trait is that each cell contains 10 charges; pistols take 1 per shot, so 10 shots, rifles take 2, so 5 shots, cannons take 5, so 2 per cell but they do massive damage. Mechanics wise it’s like a burst where you fire several bullets at once.
• Penetration – instead of going with a vsDR value that reduces enemy’s DR by a fixed amount, we’ll go with % that would either increase or decrease the armor DR value, similar to how different arrowheads worked in AoD.
• As mentioned in the past, there are 3 firearm types (pistols, rifles, and SMG) and each type has 3 subtypes. For example, rifles include one-handed guns like sawed-off shotguns and “mare’s leg” type short rifles, shotguns, and proper rifles, ranging from bolt-action to sniper rifles, so if you specialize in rifles, you won’t be stuck with the same type of weapon doing the same thing.
• Attack types: Snap Shot, Regular, Aimed: Head, Central Mass (torso), Arms, Legs, Bullseye (+6AP, highest bonuses if hit), Fanning for revolvers, Double Shot for multi-barrel guns, Short Burst, and Long Burst.
• Graze range – As mentioned previously, I wanted to implement it in AoD but we were out of time and the fast attacks were basically grazing attacks, doing a lot less damage. The ranged combat is perfect for it. Let’s say you have 80% THC (to-hit chance). You roll the dice and as luck would have it, you’re 1 point short but the binary miss-hit system doesn’t reward your near excellence and treats it as you weren’t even close. So, we’ll change that and go with 4 roll 'ranges': miss, graze, hit, critical hit (instead of rolling for critical separately). This will give us some flexibility with damage ranges and allow you to trade damage for THC.

A tier 2 one-handed shotgun, damage 8-11, THC -5, Aimed THC -10, CS chance +10, Graze range +15, Penetration -20%, Stagger +15%, Knockdown +5%

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More information.

Sounds like a good concept with some thought. Looking forward to it (although this will take long while).

Originally Posted by Darkheart
Sounds like a good concept with some thought. Looking forward to it (although this will take long while).

Agreed. An RPG that doesn't force me to do some maths isn't a good RPG for me.

I'm certainly quite interested in this, it looks like there will be a lot of variety with weapons. I also do not mind in the slightest that there is no crafting system, in fact I would label that a plus or bonus.

I wonder whether they will include rules for weapon jamming and repair? That could be a substitute for a crafting system.

Certainly, if there are going to be automatic weapons there has to be a chance of jamming. Heck, even misfires can happen in any type of gunpowder weapon, and often do. If a crafting system was set up to address said possibilities, I'd be ok with that. Maybe a separate skill or skill set, or a fully robust system detached from anything else in game.

Isn't there a MMO called new world ?

Originally Posted by rjshae
I wonder whether they will include rules for weapon jamming and repair? That could be a substitute for a crafting system.

No jamming and repair. I don't recall jamming done in an interesting way that adds something to gameplay and in a challenging game it will only increase your frustration.

Originally Posted by Carnifex
Certainly, if there are going to be automatic weapons there has to be a chance of jamming. Heck, even misfires can happen in any type of gunpowder weapon, and often do. If a crafting system was set up to address said possibilities, I'd be ok with that. Maybe a separate skill or skill set, or a fully robust system detached from anything else in game.

While it's tempting to add a new system, especially a robust one, we don't want to overextend ourselves. Switching to a new engine, expanding the combat system, and adding a proper stealth system are about all we can handle at the moment.

Originally Posted by you
Isn't there a MMO called new world ?

Apparently, there is. I have no idea whether or not it's a problem (Amazon's trademark is 'new world' plus crossed weapons; I'm not sure you can even trademark the words only as it's a common phrase), so I guess we'll wait and see what transpires. I don't think anyone will confuse this:



with this:

Originally Posted by Carnifex
Certainly, if there are going to be automatic weapons there has to be a chance of jamming. Heck, even misfires can happen in any type of gunpowder weapon, and often do. If a crafting system was set up to address said possibilities, I'd be ok with that. Maybe a separate skill or skill set, or a fully robust system detached from anything else in game.

I dunno… A recent high profile weapons court case in your county had an 'expert' claim that a misfire or hangfire is statistically impossible…. So it must be true.

Originally Posted by VDweller
No jamming and repair. I don't recall jamming done in an interesting way that adds something to gameplay and in a challenging game it will only increase your frustration.

Probably true, except for hard-core gamer types I suppose. Regular repair and maintenance is likely figured into the projectile weapon skills then for most game systems.