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Kingmaker - Review and Interview
October 11th, 2018, 16:11
Originally Posted by TomRonThe problem with PoE was they patched it a million times changing every little detail of the ruleset while you were playing. Owlcat is fixing bugs, not implementing new rules or changing them left and right. And my point still stands about Tyranny. That could have been the Icewind Dale to PoE's Baldur's Gate but they didn't decide to do that and also used a different ruleset and completely different setting. I was disappointed in that but that's just me. I feel Owlcat took a better approach using the Pathfinder rules at least.
Off topic but this part is simply wrong. I replayed PoE last year and and I am playing PoE2 now, and they are certainly using the same base rulesets. Some mechanics have changed yes, but mainly in the strategic department (per battle abilities), the system feels evolved, not changed.
On topic, stop praising Kingmaker until I actually have time to play it! I'm already juggling two large games and really want to finish them before I tackle this. I prefer the "great but needs patches" comments, please try to only post those.
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October 11th, 2018, 16:15
Originally Posted by TheRealFluentTyranny was fun to me because it awoke my inner min/maxer. Each combat I wasn't looking how to beat the enemy but how to get most XP out of it
The problem with PoE was they patched it a million times changing every little detail of the ruleset while you were playing. Owlcat is fixing bugs, not implementing new rules or changing them left and right. And my point still stands about Tyranny. That could have been the Icewind Dale to PoE's Baldur's Gate but they didn't decide to do that and also used a different ruleset and completely different setting. I was disappointed in that but that's just me. I feel Owlcat took a better approach using the Pathfinder rules at least.
For that reason I found it a lot of fun and more interesting than PoE
So for me changes to Tyranny ruleset were a big hit
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October 11th, 2018, 16:28
Originally Posted by ArchangelThat's cool, but they should have placed Tyranny in PoE's world to build on the setting, lore and ruleset they were building. Instead it was a once off game that could have been much more IMO.
Tyranny was fun to me because it awoke my inner min/maxer. Each combat I wasn't looking how to beat the enemy but how to get most XP out of it
For that reason I found it a lot of fun and more interesting than PoE
So for me changes to Tyranny ruleset were a big hit
H.O.O. Inquisitor
October 11th, 2018, 16:41
Originally Posted by TheRealFluentMaybe, but again I found both the setting and companions more interesting than PoE ones (except Durance).
That's cool, but they should have placed Tyranny in PoE's world to build on the setting, lore and ruleset they were building. Instead it was a once off game that could have been much more IMO.
Maybe PoE2 should have been placed in Tyranny setting
PoE setting was "too realistic", I like my fantasy settings to be more fantasy focused.
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October 11th, 2018, 16:45
Originally Posted by ArchangelI was hoping for a new D&D, like a new world to explore that is consistent, with a solid ruleset that doesn't get changed from game to game or have endless tweaks with patches. I know that's a lot to ask since they didn't have the years that D&D had to build a ruleset and setting, but I just felt they missed an opportunity there. Tyranny could have been set in PoE's world and still be just as interesting, with different companions but set in some outer reaches of the PoE world so you had that epic feeling of still being in a huge setting like Forgotten Realms.
Maybe, but again I found both the setting and companions more interesting than PoE ones (except Durance).
Maybe PoE2 should have been placed in Tyranny setting
PoE setting was "too realistic", I like my fantasy settings to be more fantasy focused.
H.O.O. Inquisitor
October 11th, 2018, 16:49
Originally Posted by PladioI'm not a huge fan of rtwp either. I have finished games like Icewindale and Baldur's Gate. I could not get into Pillars of Eternity because of the rtwp combat.
I tend to very much dislike rtwp combat. I have only ever completed kotor 1 and 2 in part due to the setting.
Would people recommend this as a game to someone who usually doesn't like the combat style for everything else the game offers?
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In games like Bladur's Gate I try and finish a battle as fast as possible. In a turn based game like ToEE or Battle Brothers a savior the combat and think of different tactics all the time. I love D&D so that has helped me get through the rtwp ones.
With all that being said, I think Kingmaker has done rtwp combat the best and I'm enjoying the battles. I'm even trying some different strategies.
As a side note I really wanted to like PoE, I gave like $500 to the kickstarter for 10 hours of play, sigh. That was back when I was more generous with my money and now I'm an old scrooge when it comes to kickstarter.
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October 11th, 2018, 17:18
Originally Posted by TheRealFluentWell, who knows, maybe it is
I was hoping for a new D&D, like a new world to explore that is consistent, with a solid ruleset that doesn't get changed from game to game or have endless tweaks with patches. I know that's a lot to ask since they didn't have the years that D&D had to build a ruleset and setting, but I just felt they missed an opportunity there. Tyranny could have been set in PoE's world and still be just as interesting, with different companions but set in some outer reaches of the PoE world so you had that epic feeling of still being in a huge setting like Forgotten Realms.
And they reveal this in Tyranny 2 or PoE 3
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October 11th, 2018, 17:25
Originally Posted by HastarMaybe I should add it to my wishlist for when it goes on sale
I'm not a huge fan of rtwp either. I have finished games like Icewindale and Baldur's Gate. I could not get into Pillars of Eternity because of the rtwp combat.
In games like Bladur's Gate I try and finish a battle as fast as possible. In a turn based game like ToEE or Battle Brothers a savior the combat and think of different tactics all the time. I love D&D so that has helped me get through the rtwp ones.
With all that being said, I think Kingmaker has done rtwp combat the best and I'm enjoying the battles. I'm even trying some different strategies.
As a side note I really wanted to like PoE, I gave like $500 to the kickstarter for 10 hours of play, sigh. That was back when I was more generous with my money and now I'm an old scrooge when it comes to kickstarter.
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October 11th, 2018, 17:48
Originally Posted by ArchangelWe can hope, but they are probably still going to be tweaking the ruleset endlessly with their "patch roadmap" so I think that ship has kind of sailed. I'd like to be proved wrong, though.
Well, who knows, maybe it is
And they reveal this in Tyranny 2 or PoE 3
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October 11th, 2018, 21:13
Originally Posted by TomRonKingmaker is one of the best cRPGs ever, you should play it NOW
On topic, stop praising Kingmaker until I actually have time to play it! I'm already juggling two large games and really want to finish them before I tackle this. I prefer the "great but needs patches" comments, please try to only post those.
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October 11th, 2018, 21:38
Originally Posted by purpleblobWow! Coming from you that is quite a compliment. Glad to hear you're enjoying it so much!
Kingmaker is one of the best cRPGs ever, you should play it NOW
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October 11th, 2018, 22:14
Originally Posted by purpleblobIt also has one of the best voice acting.
Kingmaker is one of the best cRPGs ever, you should play it NOW
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October 11th, 2018, 22:15
Originally Posted by ArchangelI just wish there was more of it. I'm usually a text guy but for this Let's Play I'm running out of breath with all the talking.
It also has one of the best voice acting.
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October 11th, 2018, 22:31
Another Hot-fix Patch was released today.
OwlCat is also doing another developer live-stream on the 12th.
Spoiler – Patch Notes
OwlCat is also doing another developer live-stream on the 12th.
The team at Owlcat Games will host a developer stream this Friday. The stream will take place this Friday 12midday-2pm PT/3pm-5pm EDT/9pm-11pm CET/10pm-12 Midnight Moscow between Owlcat's Arseny Deriglazov and as special guest video game legend Chris Avellone, who is part of the writers team for Pathfinder: Kingmaker.
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October 11th, 2018, 22:56
Also found another review on culturedvultures - Score: 9/10.
Technically, the game does have some issues. Nothing too serious, but I have had character portraits being doubled and some textures being stretched out and the loading times can be pretty long at times. Another issue is that if you are not used to these kinds of games, it can be a lot to take in at first. To the game’s credit, there are many difficulty settings you can fiddle with. Like if characters are resurrected after a fight or you need a priest to do it, how much damage enemies do, the difficulty of the kingdom management and many other things. Even so, if you are not sure what these things do in the first place, it will nonetheless feel overwhelming. It is clearly made for fans of the genre, but I do think that new players can enjoy it as well if they take the plunge and can stand a few confusing hours in the beginning.
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October 11th, 2018, 23:10
Originally Posted by purpleblobI completely agree with the first part, however if you haven't started playing the game you should really wait until at least October 22nd. The bugs drove me crazy and now I'm putting it on hold until they release that big patch.
Kingmaker is one of the best cRPGs ever, you should play it NOW
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October 11th, 2018, 23:25
I have an image for the RPGWatch review.
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October 11th, 2018, 23:31
Originally Posted by Ron ObviousUsed to be past chapter 4 completely unplayable, now you can reach chapter 5 war of the river kings but the pitax area is completely broken , none of the scripts are working and there's a serious game breaking bug in the end wich prevents you to continue.Be very cautious to have saves prior those events future fixes are likely not retroactive.
I completely agree with the first part, however if you haven't started playing the game you should really wait until at least October 22nd. The bugs drove me crazy and now I'm putting it on hold until they release that big patch.
Its wonderful before , best rpg ever, then it completely falls apart.
As for the encounters, if people are still complaining about the three wererats and troll king what will they say when they discover pitax palace…
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October 11th, 2018, 23:34
Originally Posted by RipperLove it
I have an image for the RPGWatch review.
I will take up the place in centre
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