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January 1st, 2019, 20:28
If we remove J-RPGs some real contenders will be removed:
  • The Legend of Heroes: Trails of Cold Steel 2
  • Dragon Quest XI
  • Valkyria 4
  • Tales of Zestiria
  • Ni no Kuni II: Revenant Kingdom
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January 1st, 2019, 20:39
Here is the GOTY list sorted by the average number of comments per news post, which isn't really a good way to filter as a game with 1 news post and a decent number of comments can list reasonably high.
TitleDateGenreNews PostsCommentsAverage
Fallout 762018-11-14RPG20103252
Avernum 3: Ruined World2018-01-31RPG415138
Pathfinder: Kingmaker2018-09-25RPG83302636
Neverwinter Nights: Enhanced Edition2018-03-27RPG1027427
The Bard's Tale IV: Barrows Deep2018-09-18Dungeon Crawler92243626
Pillars of Eternity II: Deadfire2018-05-08RPG107263525
Monster Hunter: World2018-08-09Action-RPG613723
Assassin's Creed: Odyssey2018-10-05Action-RPG2040020
The 7th Circle2018-09-10Dungeon Crawler11919
Shieldwall Chronicles: Swords of the North2018-12-17Tactical RPG35017
Yakuza 02018-08-02Action-RPG45714
Dragon Quest XI: Echoes of an Elusive Age2018-09-04J-RPG1417813
Thronebreaker: The Witcher Tales2018-10-24Card-Based RPG1114413
Wartile2018-02-08Strategy-RPG11313
ATOM RPG: Post-apocalyptic indie game2018-12-19RPG2327812
Exiled Kingdoms2018-02-23Action-RPG22412
Nantucket2018-01-18Strategy-RPG33612
Final Fantasy XV2018-03-06J-RPG2326011
Call of Cthulhu2018-10-30Adventure-RPG3131310
Divinity: Original Sin II Definitive Edition2018-08-31RPG88110
The Great Gaias2018-06-22RPG33110
Underworld Ascendant2018-11-15RPG120119810
BattleTech2018-04-24Tactical RPG908399
Jagged Alliance: Rage!2018-12-06Tactical RPG7619
Kingdom Come: Deliverance2018-02-13Action-RPG23520409
Mutant Year Zero: Road to Eden2018-12-04Tactical RPG211909
Space Hulk: Tactics2018-10-09Tactical RPG7639
Valkyria Chronicles 42018-09-25Strategy-RPG121039
Achtung! Cthulhu Tactics2018-10-04Strategy-RPG6498
Chrono Trigger2018-02-27J-RPG5398
Dark Quest 22018-03-06Tactical RPG4308
Das Geisterschiff2018-09-19Adventure-RPG188
Disgaea 5 Complete2018-10-22Strategy-RPG4318
Kenshi 2018-12-06Strategy-RPG171298
Sword Legacy: Omen2018-08-13Tactical RPG7548
Ys: Memories of Celceta2018-07-25J-RPG3238
Epic Battle Fantasy 52018-11-30RPG177
Star Control: Origins2018-09-20Action-RPG161047
Vampyr2018-06-05Action-RPG644457
Ancient Frontier: Steel Shadows2018-12-11Strategy-RPG166
Deep Sky Derelicts2018-09-26Action-RPG5296
Final Fantasy XII: The Zodiac Age2018-02-01J-RPG4246
Knight Bewitched2018-04-18J-RPG2116
Pendula Swing2018-08-15Adventure-RPG2116
Vigilantes2018-10-03Tactical RPG382166
Banner Saga 32018-07-26Strategy-RPG261245
Book of Demons2018-12-13Card-Based RPG8395
INSOMNIA: The Ark2018-09-27RPG743765
Into The Breach2018-02-27Strategy-RPG11505
LEGRAND LEGACY: Tale of the Fatebounds2018-01-24J-RPG3155
Shadows: Awakening2018-08-31Tactical RPG18955
Shenmue 1 & 22018-08-21Action-RPG9455
The Legend of Heroes: Trails of Cold Steel II2018-02-14J-RPG3155
Tower of Time2018-04-12RPG17805
Valthirian Arc: Red Covenant2018-10-02Action-RPG155
Warhammer 40,000: Mechanicus2018-11-15Strategy-RPG7385
Warhammer 40.000: Inquisitor - Martyr2018-06-05Action-RPG301615
Ys VIII: Lacrimosa of DANA2018-04-16J-RPG7335
All Walls Must Fall2018-02-23Tactical RPG3124
Ash of Gods2018-03-22Tactical RPG21814
Crimson Keep2018-11-29Dungeon Crawler274
Dead In Vinland2018-04-12Adventure-RPG5224
Extinction2018-04-10Action-RPG5204
Hero-U: Rogue to Redemption2018-07-10Adventure-RPG1164954
Hevn2018-09-24Adventure-RPG3134
Immortal Unchained2018-09-07Action-RPG3134
Labyrinth of Refrain: Coven of Dusk2018-09-18Dungeon Crawler144
Sanctus Mortem2018-11-16J-RPG5204
Azure Saga: Pathfinder2018-03-14J-RPG4103
Beast Quest2018-03-13Action-RPG263
Demon's Rise: Lords of Chaos2018-04-25Tactical RPG3103
Ghost of a Tale2018-03-13RPG722093
Healer's Quest2018-04-18RPG8203
Infinite Adventures2018-10-30Dungeon Crawler4123
Mary Skelter Nightmares2018-07-19Dungeon Crawler253
Star Traders: Frontiers2018-08-01RPG27763
The Council2018-03-13Adventure-RPG13383
We Happy Few2018-08-10Adventure-RPG11303
Azuran Tales: Trials2018-06-01Metroidvania RPG122
Below2018-12-14Roguelike7142
Dead Cells2018-08-07Metroidvania RPG7162
Delver2018-02-02Roguelike6122
Depth of Extinction2018-09-27Tactical RPG15302
Distortions2018-03-02Adventure-RPG122
For the King2018-04-19Roguelike31612
Graveyard Keeper2018-08-15Adventure-RPG352
Heroes of Hammerwatch2018-03-02Roguelike122
Lost Sphear2018-01-23J-RPG5102
Moonlighter2018-05-29Action-RPG592
Pit People2018-03-02Strategy-RPG352
The Warriorlock2018-09-14RPG20452
Unavowed2018-08-08Adventure-RPG7112
Veil of Crows2018-10-18Strategy-RPG362
Ashen2018-12-09Action-RPG661
City of the Shroud2018-08-09Tactical RPG871
CrossCode2018-09-20Action-RPG1291
Devious2018-07-26Dungeon Crawler221
Just One Line2018-09-12Adventure-RPG221
Niffelheim2018-09-26Adventure-RPG531
The Swords of Ditto2018-04-24Action-RPG321
Xploquest 22018-02-20Adventure-RPG211
Dust and Salt2018-01-25Adventure-RPG100
Fallen Legion+2018-01-05Action-RPG200
Gilded2018-01-18J-RPG100
Once upon a Dungeon2018-01-19Roguelike100
Secret of Mana2018-02-15J-RPG520
Siralim 32018-10-15RPG100
Tangledeep2018-02-01Roguelike200
The Greater Good2018-10-23Adventure-RPG200
Towards The Pantheon2018-05-16RPG300
Where the Water Tastes Like Wine2018-02-28Adventure-RPG100
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January 1st, 2019, 20:46
Hero-U: Rogue to Redemption way down and Fallout 76 on first proves that not always the most popular games are getting the most reactions.
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January 1st, 2019, 20:52
Like I said, average number of posts is perhaps not a good criteria, so here is the list sorted by number of comments on the forum:
TitleDateGenreNews PostsCommentsAverage
Pathfinder: Kingmaker2018-09-25RPG83302636
Pillars of Eternity II: Deadfire2018-05-08RPG107263525
The Bard's Tale IV: Barrows Deep2018-09-18Dungeon Crawler92243626
Kingdom Come: Deliverance2018-02-13Action-RPG23520409
Underworld Ascendant2018-11-15RPG120119810
Fallout 762018-11-14RPG20103252
BattleTech2018-04-24Tactical RPG908399
Hero-U: Rogue to Redemption2018-07-10Adventure-RPG1164954
Vampyr2018-06-05Action-RPG644457
Assassin's Creed: Odyssey2018-10-05Action-RPG2040020
INSOMNIA: The Ark2018-09-27RPG743765
Call of Cthulhu2018-10-30Adventure-RPG3131310
ATOM RPG: Post-apocalyptic indie game2018-12-19RPG2327812
Neverwinter Nights: Enhanced Edition2018-03-27RPG1027427
Final Fantasy XV2018-03-06J-RPG2326011
Vigilantes2018-10-03Tactical RPG382166
Ghost of a Tale2018-03-13RPG722093
Mutant Year Zero: Road to Eden2018-12-04Tactical RPG211909
Dragon Quest XI: Echoes of an Elusive Age2018-09-04J-RPG1417813
Phantom Doctrine2018-08-14Strategy-RPG231717
Warhammer 40.000: Inquisitor - Martyr2018-06-05Action-RPG301615
Avernum 3: Ruined World2018-01-31RPG415138
Thronebreaker: The Witcher Tales2018-10-24Card-Based RPG1114413
Monster Hunter: World2018-08-09Action-RPG613723
Kenshi 2018-12-06Strategy-RPG171298
Banner Saga 32018-07-26Strategy-RPG261245
Star Control: Origins2018-09-20Action-RPG161047
Valkyria Chronicles 42018-09-25Strategy-RPG121039
Shadows: Awakening2018-08-31Tactical RPG18955
Ni No Kuni 2: Revenant Kingdom2018-03-23J-RPG19895
Ash of Gods2018-03-22Tactical RPG21814
Divinity: Original Sin II Definitive Edition2018-08-31RPG88110
Tower of Time2018-04-12RPG17805
Star Traders: Frontiers2018-08-01RPG27763
Space Hulk: Tactics2018-10-09Tactical RPG7639
Aeon of Sands: The Trail2018-12-04Dungeon Crawler10616
For the King2018-04-19Roguelike31612
Jagged Alliance: Rage!2018-12-06Tactical RPG7619
State of Decay 22018-05-22Action-RPG7588
Yakuza 02018-08-02Action-RPG45714
Sword Legacy: Omen2018-08-13Tactical RPG7548
Dustwind2018-08-15Tactical RPG35318
Into The Breach2018-02-27Strategy-RPG11515
Shieldwall Chronicles: Swords of the North2018-12-17Tactical RPG35117
Achtung! Cthulhu Tactics2018-10-04Strategy-RPG6498
Shenmue 1 & 22018-08-21Action-RPG9455
The Warriorlock2018-09-14RPG20452
Book of Demons2018-12-13Card-Based RPG8395
Chrono Trigger2018-02-27J-RPG5398
The Council2018-03-13Adventure-RPG13383
Warhammer 40,000: Mechanicus2018-11-15Strategy-RPG7385
Nantucket2018-01-18Strategy-RPG33612
Ys VIII: Lacrimosa of DANA2018-04-16J-RPG7335
Disgaea 5 Complete2018-10-22Strategy-RPG4318
The Great Gaias2018-06-22RPG33110
Dark Quest 22018-03-06Tactical RPG4308
Depth of Extinction2018-09-27Tactical RPG15302
We Happy Few2018-08-10Adventure-RPG11303
Deep Sky Derelicts2018-09-26Action-RPG5296
Exiled Kingdoms2018-02-23Action-RPG22412
Final Fantasy XII: The Zodiac Age2018-02-01J-RPG4246
Ys: Memories of Celceta2018-07-25J-RPG3238
Dead In Vinland2018-04-12Adventure-RPG5224
Extinction2018-04-10Action-RPG5204
Healer's Quest2018-04-18RPG8203
Sanctus Mortem2018-11-16J-RPG5204
The 7th Circle2018-09-10Dungeon Crawler11919
Dead Cells2018-08-07Metroidvania RPG7162
LEGRAND LEGACY: Tale of the Fatebounds2018-01-24J-RPG3155
The Legend of Heroes: Trails of Cold Steel II2018-02-14J-RPG3155
Below2018-12-14Roguelike7142
Hevn2018-09-24Adventure-RPG3134
Immortal Unchained2018-09-07Action-RPG3134
Wartile2018-02-08Strategy-RPG11313
All Walls Must Fall2018-02-23Tactical RPG3124
Delver2018-02-02Roguelike6122
Infinite Adventures2018-10-30Dungeon Crawler4123
Knight Bewitched2018-04-18J-RPG2116
Pendula Swing2018-08-15Adventure-RPG2116
Unavowed2018-08-08Adventure-RPG7112
Azure Saga: Pathfinder2018-03-14J-RPG4103
Demon's Rise: Lords of Chaos2018-04-25Tactical RPG3103
Lost Sphear2018-01-23J-RPG5102
CrossCode2018-09-20Action-RPG1291
Moonlighter2018-05-29Action-RPG592
Das Geisterschiff2018-09-19Adventure-RPG188
City of the Shroud2018-08-09Tactical RPG871
Crimson Keep2018-11-29Dungeon Crawler274
Epic Battle Fantasy 52018-11-30RPG177
Ancient Frontier: Steel Shadows2018-12-11Strategy-RPG166
Ashen2018-12-09Action-RPG661
Beast Quest2018-03-13Action-RPG263
Veil of Crows2018-10-18Strategy-RPG362
Graveyard Keeper2018-08-15Adventure-RPG352
Mary Skelter Nightmares2018-07-19Dungeon Crawler253
Pit People2018-03-02Strategy-RPG352
Valthirian Arc: Red Covenant2018-10-02Action-RPG155
Labyrinth of Refrain: Coven of Dusk2018-09-18Dungeon Crawler144
Niffelheim2018-09-26Adventure-RPG531
Azuran Tales: Trials2018-06-01Metroidvania RPG122
Devious2018-07-26Dungeon Crawler221
Distortions2018-03-02Adventure-RPG122
Heroes of Hammerwatch2018-03-02Roguelike122
Just One Line2018-09-12Adventure-RPG221
Secret of Mana2018-02-15J-RPG520
The Swords of Ditto2018-04-24Action-RPG321
Xploquest 22018-02-20Adventure-RPG211
Dust and Salt2018-01-25Adventure-RPG100
Fallen Legion+2018-01-05Action-RPG200
Gilded2018-01-18J-RPG100
Once upon a Dungeon2018-01-19Roguelike100
Siralim 32018-10-15RPG100
Tangledeep2018-02-01Roguelike200
The Greater Good2018-10-23Adventure-RPG200
Towards The Pantheon2018-05-16RPG300
Where the Water Tastes Like Wine2018-02-28Adventure-RPG100
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Originally Posted by HiddenX View Post
Hero-U: Rogue to Redemption way down and Fallout 76 on first proves that not always the most popular games are getting the most reactions.
Only because Hero-U has a huge number of threads.

Find me any game on that list with 2 or less threads, 12 or less comments, or an average of 2 or lower which deserves to be on the GOTY list.
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Epic Battle Fantasy 5 for example - way better than Fallout 76 and Vampyr.

The game is just a bit unknown here.


PS:
Ni No Kuni 2 is missing completely.
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Originally Posted by HiddenX View Post
Epic Battle Fantasy 5 for example - way better than Fallout 76 and Vampyr.

The game is just a bit unknown here.


PS:
Ni No Kuni 2 is missing completely.
I haven't heard of or played Epic Battle Fantasy 5, and I think you and I buy a lot more indie game than most people here. It may be a great game, but I see it having absolute zero chance of making a top 10 GOTY place on this website, so I think its inclusion would be irrelevant.

I've played neither Vampyr nor Fallout 76, but a lot of people on this website have and deservedly or not both games will get more GOTY vote on RPGWatch than something like Epic Battle Fantasy 5, or any other game which doesn't make the 2 thread, 2 comment, or 2 average threshold which I mentioned in my last post.
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Ni No Kuni 2 is missing completely.
That is because the information for the game is incomplete in the database and the query I use requires information to be there that wasn't apparently. Modified the filter and also modified the table.
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January 1st, 2019, 21:42
Let's consider the average. Two games have a large number of threads but an average of less than 2 (the Warriorlock and For the King) Those games have no chance imo. Trails of Cold Steel 2 has 3 threads, and it probably still doesn't have a chance to make a top 10 spot, as most of its predecessors didn't either, but no other game with 3 or less threads could be considered a contender for a top 10 spot (I'm talking top 10 here, not top 3). If we consider number of threads, TOCS 2 has 15, and nothing less than that could be considered a top 10 contender. The next contender on my list for a possible top 10 spot is Disgea 5 which had 4 threads and 31 comments.
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I think this is a situation where you need to be the ruthless and single-minded boss of this here site what you are boss of Myrthos, lol. Like most of us you wont have time to know about all of these games, but as boss of the site you should have a good read on your internal bias & therefore the site's internal bias combined with what people have generally been talking about all year.

With both Hidden X and Forgottenlore as probably even more knowledgable leuitenants I feel sure that between the three of you you'd come up with something that covers pretty much all the bases.

So I suggest:

1. Myrthos creates a short-list that would be Myrthos' shortlist
2. Hidden X & Forgottenlore get a PM of said list & are allowed to add any they think are missing.
3. The list is then revealed to the public who are allowed to add games of their own suggestion by [insert deadline].
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The RPGWatch Steam curated games (released in 2018) were

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Dragon Quest XI
Pathfinder: Kingmaker
Valkyria Chronicles 4
The Great Gaias
The Bard's Tale Trilogy (remake)
Hero U: Rogue to Redemption
Vampyr
Pillars of Eternity II: Deadfire
Kingdom Come: Deliverance
Trails of Cold Steel II

(Kenshi will be added soon)
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January 1st, 2019, 22:13
I agree with forgottenlor that everything below Trails of Cold Steel II has no chance to be in the top 10:

Se we can exclude:
Below
Hevn
Immortal Unchained
Wartile
All Walls Must Fall
Delver
Infinite Adventures
Knight Bewitched
Pendula Swing
Unavowed
Azure Saga: Pathfinder
Demon's Rise: Lords of Chaos
Lost Sphear
CrossCode
Moonlighter
Das Geisterschiff
City of the Shroud
Crimson Keep
Epic Battle Fantasy 5
Ancient Frontier: Steel Shadows
Ashen
Beast Quest
Veil of Crows
Graveyard Keeper
Mary Skelter Nightmares
Pit People
Valthirian Arc: Red Covenant
Labyrinth of Refrain: Coven of Dusk
Niffelheim
Azuran Tales: Trials
Devious
Distortions
Heroes of Hammerwatch
Just One Line
Secret of Mana
The Swords of Ditto
Xploquest 2
Dust and Salt
Fallen Legion+
Gilded
Once upon a Dungeon
Siralim 3
Tangledeep
The Greater Good
Towards The Pantheon
Where the Water Tastes Like Wine

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Neverwinter Nights: Enhanced Edition
Avernum 3: Ruined World
Divinity: Original Sin II Definitive Edition
Chrono Trigger
Final Fantasy XII: The Zodiac Age

are remakes and should be excluded, too.
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That still sums up to 65 games (out of 116), which remains to be a lot.
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January 1st, 2019, 22:50
Let's consider the games above Trails of Cold Steel. I suggest doing away with


For the King
Jagged Alliance: Rage!
Sword Legacy: Omen
Dustwind
Achtung! Cthulhu Tactics 2018-10-04
The Warriorlock
Nantucket
Ys VIII: Lacrimosa of DANA
Dark Quest 2
Depth of Extinction
We Happy Few
Deep Sky Derelicts
Exiled Kingdoms
Ys: Memories of Celceta
Dead In Vinland
Extinction
Healer's Quest
Sanctus Mortem
The 7th Circle
Dead Cells
LEGRAND LEGACY: Tale of the Fatebounds

As I don't think any of those games have a realistic chance at a top 10 spot. Any other suggestions?
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If I had to do the filtering, I would start by removing all J-RPGs, Metroidvania-RPGs, and Roguelikes. Then I would remove anything that is an add-on or improved version. That would reduce the list with at least 20 games, but would still leave 80+ games.
The next thing I would do is check the number of news posts we have on each of the games and use that as an additional filter to get to half of the games, so some 40, which is more than enough in my opinion (with the idea that more news posts means more interest).

Or, if there is too much backlash on the first action, I would just do the second action and come also to some 40 games
All those filters look fine, but JRPG is looking like a wrong filter. I understand it, as I tend not like JRPG. But it's still looks wrong.

For others filters that could be added:
- Games heavily focused on tactical combats.
- Games heavily focused on strategy.
- Games heavily focused on sim.
- Games heavily focused on building.
- Games heavily focused on survival.
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PC RPG releases in 2018 with a Metacritic score of at least 80:

Ashen
Crosscode
Darkest Dungeon: The Color of Madness
Dark Souls Remastered
Divinity: Original Sin II Definitive Edition
Dragon Quest XI: Echoes of an Elusive Age
Final Fantasy XII: The Zodiac Age
Final Fantasy XV: Windows Edition
For the King
Hero-U: Rogue to Redemption
Jimmy and the Pulsating Mass
The Legend of Heroes: Trails of Cold Steel II
Monster Hunter: World
Ni no Kuni II: Revenant Kingdom
Pillars of Eternity II: Deadfire
Thronebreaker: The Witcher Tales
Tower of Time
Undertale

Jimmy and the Pulsating Mass looks like an RPGMaker game but it is being well-received.
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How many choices can enter the poll, 10? Then make a 1 week preliminary forum round where users can nominate 10 games from that huge list, and after that make the real poll with the 10 most mentioned games?
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January 1st, 2019, 23:03
Originally Posted by HiddenX View Post
The RPGWatch Steam curated games (released in 2018) were

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Dragon Quest XI
Pathfinder: Kingmaker
Valkyria Chronicles 4
The Great Gaias
The Bard's Tale Trilogy (remake)
Hero U: Rogue to Redemption
Vampyr
Pillars of Eternity II: Deadfire
Kingdom Come: Deliverance
Trails of Cold Steel II

(Kenshi will be added soon)
This could also be the basis of the list. I would personally add:

Assassin's Creed: Odyssey
Banner Saga 3
Battletech
Call of Cthulu
Disgea 5
Fallout 76
Monster Hunter World
Mutant Year Zero
Star Control:Origins
The Bard's Tale 4
Thronebreaker
Valkyria Chronicles 4

Because all of these are well known titles. A lot of posters seem to have bought these games. The exception may be Disgea 5, but there seem to be a few diehard Disgea fans on this website and its a well-known series-


I'd also consider the following:

The Council
Tower of Time
Yakuza 0
Ghost of a Tale

The Council, Ghost of a Tale and Tower of Time got a lot of coverage on this site and all seem to have been well recieived. I included Yakuza 0, because I saw it on a few GOTY lists on the Pillars 2 RPG of the year thread.
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Maybe I should look into that Kingdome Come game. I have almost zero notion of what it's about. Haven't really read anything about it.
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How many choices can enter the poll, 10? Then make a 1 week preliminary forum round where users can nominate 10 games from that huge list, and after that make the real poll with the 10 most mentioned games?
We always have a top 10, so 10 games seems too few. I think something like 20-30 games would be ideal.
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