Pathfinder: Kingmaker Question/Tips & Tricks Thread

Originally Posted by TheRealFluent
I also wonder why Regongar is listed as Medium size when he's clearly Large and has a wider attack radius.

Originally Posted by Morrandir
That's because by the ruleset half-orcs are medium sized creatures.
Same goes for pure orcs. An example for a large creature would be a troll.

Are you sure about the attack radius?

Originally Posted by Maylander

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Nyrissa and my character lived happily ever after. Pretty much. She also helped rebuild the kingdom and become loved by the people.

What's a bit more interesting is what lead to it: The key is to truly break the curse, which can only be done via five steps:
1) She must fall in love.
2) Give her the briar.
3) Research the curses.
4) Get information from Armag, Tartuk and Vordakai (two out of three) about their curse, so you can use that information when talking to Nyrissa to convince her that it's possible to break hers.
5) During the final chapter, a special area will open up via the teleporters (when you're liberating various sections). Go to that area and do some quests for the Elders there.

When facing the final boss, Nyrissa will now help out, which makes the fight considerably easier, and when it's over you can tell her to "do what you've planned" or some such thing, at which point she will effectively throw the curse right back at the Lantern King. At that point, everyone is freed from his grasp, and even the defaced sister that survived etc will eventually regain their previous form.

Originally Posted by Dasale
Thanks for the spoil, unlike you I disliked a lot the last two chapters, even more the last one without magic, and so many absurd non sense illogical consequences, facepalm.

I hadn't realized I hadn't get the full happy ending, found mine happy enough and thought it was the good ending. It's cool to know now.

But I got many results you listed:

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For requirements I'm sure I didn't match for point 2 because I didn't go for Tristian first, but thankfully I still keep him in final before a (bad) patch removed him as a weird consequence (bad design).

That said, it's one more example of bad designs in last two chapter, it makes no sense to make a variation from that, as in my version, it's Neryssa that get the briar, so it could be as well used to break the curse, non sense artificial consequence as plenty in those last two chapters.

But I was still able to convince Nyrissa to not fight and instead kick ass of the Lantern King, I probably filled all other requirements than point 2, but there's also 2 curses I didn't research.

In final I got, Nyrissa is on my side for the final combat. Also for the end, the kingdom is quite happy, and we rule both the kingdom and for eternity. I don't remind well enough the details of the end, alas I had the game not setup in my native language when I did the final combat.

I don't think in this final variation the curse is really broken just ignored. After to have beat the King he offers various choices, one is just reject his proposal, and choose keep Nyrissa and don't care to have the King hate for eternity, and even argue he will be beat again and again for eternity. So he flee in rage.

Also for the secret area either I didn't found it, either it wasn't an option in this alternate ending. But overall it was a pretty happy ending anyway. But I hated so much the last two final chapters that I didn't enjoyed much the end. The only true negative is during chapter 7 Nok Nok get killed for no reason, just some badly designed weird consequence.

Originally Posted by purpleblob
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Originally Posted by Dasale
I had already read this briar explanation, no way I find it logical, she gives it and I gave it, what's the problem? None, just an incoherent consequence as a ton others in last two chapters, I don't include the end.

For the end, clearly we got a similar final and I don't remember at all this sad detail you quote for the conclusion of this final and later for the end. I could not remind well, but it seems either you didn't get the same choices I had, either you didn't picked the one I picked, refuse anything from the proposal.

I tried beat again the final to check, and gave up, sigh, if my Nok Nok hadn't been murdered for no logical consequence that would have been less a boredom.

Originally Posted by purpleblob
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Originally Posted by Dasale
Woo a thread with spoilers would be better. For the briar, ok let close it here.

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For Nok Nok from what I read you need make him a jester, I had too much respect for him to break fully his dreams, so that's probably why he didn't become jester, and why he get murdered.

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You don't need to make him a jester, if you support him as a hero, he can make it endgame. But you need to help him along the way, because for all his bluster, the little guy doubts himself and doesn't believe he can be a hero.

From what I recall my baron killed the giant, let the goblins keep their shrines, in the trial with the barghest used persuasion and finally in The Talk convinced the little guy he is a true hero and not a fool. The questline ended up with Nok-Nok commissioning a lovely () statue of the baron & himself, comrades in arms.

Originally Posted by purpleblob
IIRC, @Maylander did not enjoy the final two chapters either. Neither did I, as I clearly stated in the review.

Originally Posted by TheRealFluent
I also wonder why Regongar is listed as Medium size when he's clearly Large and has a wider attack radius. Also, I wish his wings looked more evil to suit him, since Magus gets wings at level 15.

Originally Posted by wolfgrimdark
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In regards to the nymph …

Originally Posted by Charna
Regarding Nok-Nok

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You don't need to make him a jester, if you support him as a hero, he can make it endgame. But you need to help him along the way, because for all his bluster, the little guy doubts himself and doesn't believe he can be a hero.

From what I recall my baron killed the giant, let the goblins keep their shrines, in the trial with the barghest used persuasion and finally in The Talk convinced the little guy he is a true hero and not a fool. The questline ended up with Nok-Nok commissioning a lovely () statue of the baron & himself, comrades in arms.

Originally Posted by Charna
I do think it would have been better if the writers didn't tie this choice to the secret romance, however, because it would have made it available to more players.

Originally Posted by Charna
You can, it's actually the easier ending, though

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you won't be able to destroy the Lantern King; at best you can get him to leave your kingdom alone.

Effectively you can take revenge on only one of them. In both cases one of the responsible parties gets away unpunished, though Nyrissa at least tries to make amends if you restore her; letting the Lantern King get away means he can continue with what he was doing all the millennia before. That he can't do so in your kingdom is not much of a consolation in my opinion, not if he can take his games somewhere else, because people will still continue to suffer and die for his amusement. Maybe that's why I found the secret ending more satisfying, at least that way you stop the evil once and for all.

I do think it would have been better if the writers didn't tie this choice to the XXXXXX, however, because it would have made it available to more players.

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I already have a love interest in the game. Even if I wasn't romancing someone in the game I most certainly would not want to romance Nyrissa. They should have at least made it either love or a true friendship. Without knowing the background (i.e. first time playing) who is going to love someone who lies to you and wants to destroy you? Almost impossible to always pick positive dialogue choices with her from the start of the game unless you know about it. Then the love is a lie in some ways. Course not sure you have to do that - just that I read you have to always be nice to her and pick the nice options, even when she is screwing you over, to get her to love you. It may not be that absolute though and maybe there is some point where you find out what happened and try to help her anyhow.

Anyhow I do like the idea of defeating the Lantern King (you said letting go … I don't know if you can kill him ever or just defeat him … I read he was immortal). But since I don't feel any love for Nyrissa it isn't possible (unless I meta-game) for me to truly love her and hence get that ending. I Also can't see spending eternity with her

I guess he is one of those powerful entities you have to accept. I mean I can't punish Lamastu (sp), or any of the archdukes of hell, or Ungathard (sp?) or other evil gods/beings. So in my mind not being able to punish the LK isn't much different then not being able to punish evil deities. At best you hope you can thwart their plans.

In a very removed way I do sympathize with Nyrissa. She seems nice before her emotions were removed and she got cursed. Her Lost Prince seems nice (yea I read some spoilers) and really the LK is mostly to blame, although even the Elder had decided to kill her I think for daring to try and become another Elder (little hazy on that lore since I only skimmed reading as I was just trying to find out about killing Nyrissa when reading some spoilers). So she was in love and wanted a kingdom and the LK was a total dick about it all.

So then our world suffers for the various machinations of the First World. Although … Stolen Lands … one thing I haven't checked yet - are the stolen lands originally from the First World and belonged to the LK? And hence the only reason we have this kingdom in the mortal world is because it was created out of the first world? Hazy on that as well.

Anyhow 90 days from end of curse 5 so I expect I will find out soon enough.

Originally Posted by wolfgrimdark
Aye that just really annoys me.

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I already have a love interest in the game. Even if I wasn't romancing someone in the game I most certainly would not want to romance Nyrissa..

Thanks for your reply and thoughts.