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December 21st, 2021, 19:00
I feel like the WoT episodes are getting better, but whether you agree would depend on what drove your dislike of the first.
My greatest concern with the series is with theme and tone. The books have a moral clarity to them. There is good and evil, and you have to choose, and the choice matters. By the end every character is on one side or the other. On top of that, the heroes win and the evil are killed or suffer fates worse than death.
Today's culture does not do well with that kind of moral narrative. It will likely be downplayed, deconstructed, or simply mishandled due to incomprehension. And the result will be something that doesn't feel like the Wheel of Time.
My greatest concern with the series is with theme and tone. The books have a moral clarity to them. There is good and evil, and you have to choose, and the choice matters. By the end every character is on one side or the other. On top of that, the heroes win and the evil are killed or suffer fates worse than death.
Today's culture does not do well with that kind of moral narrative. It will likely be downplayed, deconstructed, or simply mishandled due to incomprehension. And the result will be something that doesn't feel like the Wheel of Time.
Sentinel
December 21st, 2021, 19:15
Originally Posted by Carnifex
I've also watched the first episode of Wheel of Time and…I don't know. It's like the world is, I dunno, too clean or not gritty enough? Maybe it's a minor detail yet a medieval-kinda world should resemble that and, from what I've seen in the first episode, it really doesn't. I'm not even a huge fan of the books so not sure if I'll continue on at this point.
Originally Posted by CarnifexYou didn't seem to like the books either, so I'm not sure there's a chance you'll enjoy the show, even if it doesn't closely follow the book (like all TV shows).
I did watch the first Wheel of Time episode that came out a few weeks ago, yet found it so unappealing that I've not gone back for a gander at the second offering. Do the episodes actually improve? I had a similar reaction to the Foundation show, tried the first hour yet felt little inclination to go any further.
The plot is improving because more and more is revealed, but I liked the 1st episode, so your opinion may be different. Maybe you don't risk much by watching a few more episodes and deciding whether you want to continue or not?
SasqWatch
December 21st, 2021, 22:16
Yeah, I've only read the first four books in the series, even when I've re-read the first two recently I didn't feel inclined to keep going. I know I often have issues if the world exposed in a film or telly show varies too much from what I've personally imagined from a book series it can throw me off, big time. And in some cases, like Expanse, Last of Mohicans, Godfather, etc, they totally nail the books, at least imo, so that tends to draw me in more. Or something like that.
SasqWatch
December 21st, 2021, 22:44
I've been tempted to reread the books a few times, including recently. I must have read 5 or 6 of them. Yes, not always easy to accept how they interpret a story to show it on screen, sometimes it clashes with how we imagined it ourselves.
SasqWatch
December 21st, 2021, 22:47
I think the most recent WoT episode did make a major change in characterization for two characters, and not in a good way.
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Sentinel
December 21st, 2021, 23:33
Anyone watching Season 2 of The Witcher yet? Curious to hear some impressions. I haven't had time to start it.
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December 22nd, 2021, 18:53
Last night I decided to revisit two series that hadn't drawn me in as of yet: Fargo the fourth series, and I rewatched the first episode of Wheel of Time. Fargo got a lot more interesting with the second episode, so I'll be checking that out further just to see what happens next. Wheel of Time, ehhh I'm still not fully hooked on the premier, though I'm going to check out at least another episode and see if it gets better for me.
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December 22nd, 2021, 19:09
Originally Posted by JDR13I enjoy it as one of the better fantasy series out there. It's not a masterpiece in any way though. Fun for me. If you like the first series, I think it's more of the same mostly, but a real focus on Ciri, less on others.
Anyone watching Season 2 of The Witcher yet? Curious to hear some impressions. I haven't had time to start it.
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December 22nd, 2021, 19:10
Originally Posted by JDR13Same. I assume I will get around to it, just haven't had the chance yet.
Anyone watching Season 2 of The Witcher yet? Curious to hear some impressions. I haven't had time to start it.
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December 22nd, 2021, 22:48
I tried the first Witcher series, I just didn't care for it. A lot might have to do with the lead actor, I find that bloke almost unwatchable.
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December 23rd, 2021, 00:11
Originally Posted by PladioThe second season started and finished very well, but I struggled with the middle (eps 3-6, more or less)
I enjoy it as one of the better fantasy series out there. It's not a masterpiece in any way though. Fun for me. If you like the first series, I think it's more of the same mostly, but a real focus on Ciri, less on others.
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December 23rd, 2021, 00:54
It must have been pretty decent if you already binged through it that quickly. I need to set aside some time to check it out.
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December 23rd, 2021, 05:02
Originally Posted by JDR13I tend to watch two episodes at a time after everyone else has gone to bed.
It must have been pretty decent if you already binged through it that quickly. I need to set aside some time to check it out.
I wouldn't personally call that binge-watching though
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December 23rd, 2021, 08:47
I think Anya Chalotra in Witcher 2 did so much better this season as Yennefer.
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December 23rd, 2021, 10:57
Originally Posted by OverItShe's fine in the role, but she's so different from how Yennefer is portrayed in the games (I haven't read the books) that I'm constantly reminded of it every time she's in a scene.
I think Anya Chalotra in Witcher 2 did so much better this season as Yennefer.
SasqWatch
December 28th, 2021, 18:39
I held off for as long as I was able, yet the past two evenings I've ventured back into the Americans, by starting a re-watch of the sixth and final series. So many great things to love about this show overall, not in the least being the awesome music they tend to include with almost every episode!
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December 28th, 2021, 19:02
The Americans must be in my top series along with Mr Robot and Spooks.
The music is great, nice selection of songs from back then.
The music is great, nice selection of songs from back then.
SasqWatch
December 28th, 2021, 20:22
I'm always kind of wary of watching movies/series made by americans about things related to the soviets or events in easter europe. Most often they're used as propaganda. But I keep hearing about The Americans, so I might have to do some digging to see how it is.
In other respects, for some reason I've slowly become more and more excited to see how the Last of Us tv series comes out. I've slowly grown quite curious about it, and I wonder if we're getting it in 2022. But I don't want them to rush anything. Just take their time and get it done properly.
In other respects, for some reason I've slowly become more and more excited to see how the Last of Us tv series comes out. I've slowly grown quite curious about it, and I wonder if we're getting it in 2022. But I don't want them to rush anything. Just take their time and get it done properly.
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December 28th, 2021, 20:48
Originally Posted by danutz_plusplusIMO it's quite nuanced, people of both camps have their good and bad sides. They did a good job at showing everyone's perspective too, even from people at different levels.
I'm always kind of wary of watching movies/series made by americans about things related to the soviets or events in easter europe. Most often they're used as propaganda. But I keep hearing about The Americans, so I might have to do some digging to see how it is.
It's supposedly based or inspired on a real case but I haven't tried to learn more about it, there's little doubt that it's been adapted to make it as interesting as possible.
That being said, I'm not entirely sure it's for everyone, some parts can be rather blunt and graphic.
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