Elden Ring - Review @ AOTF

Originally Posted by JDR13
I have a DualShock 4 bluetoothed to my PC. I'll probably use that next time I fire it up.

Thing is, I shouldn't have to use a controller because of crappy M+K implementation. It should be because I want to. I wanted to try M+K first because I generally prefer that for most games.

Yeah, I generally prefer M+K for most games. They're Playstation devs, though.

What dart was saying, "blah blah 5 or 6 times this has happened, its unacceptable!!!"… It's like, how many times until YOU learn it's supposed to be played on controller. They've been making PS games since PS1. Get over your entitlement issues.

That doesn't make it a "terrible" port, that just means, as always, the controls don't translate very well to M+K. But they're still there and you're free to choose which one you prefer. It seems stupid to me to choose M+K and complain it sucks but that's what you want only you want it how it isn't.

But it's more than that, as well. The game will feel smoother if the camera is panning at analogue joystick speed which is set by the devs and not ultra fast counter-strike FPS style 180 mouse twitches that have to render a whole new scene instantly.

Sucks for the guy with a sore hand, though. I hope he can work something out. I had a 10 second loook at M+K and was like NOPE at jump on F. Controller is WAY better.

Originally Posted by johnnysd
Smug BS semi-troll posts like this just piss me off. Many people do NOT want to play with a controller. I hate controllers.

That said despite idiotic things like not having I open the inventory or ESC like, you know, escape, the controls are not that bad on PC once you get used to them. They sort of hide a setting to turn on PC control labels instead of consoles.

Why would you hate a device specifically designed for gaming that will provide you with a much better experience?

I got a controller JUST for Dark Souls 1. Ages ago, now. It took a while to get used to, I couldn't even walk in a straight line, but once you get the hang of it they're actually pretty good and you can kick back with your feet up and its pretty comfortable.

Don't get angry and be all "omg smug piece of shit wants me to get a controller, what an arsehole."

I'm pretty much doing you a favor. If you're going to be playing From games just get a controller. Don't expect M+K to ever be anything other than second rate. Controller is always better for their games. That's the fact. Get a controller.

Originally Posted by fadedc
Finally figured out my Elden Ring problem, and it was weird one. Apparently Elden Ring will try to use your computer's built in graphics card instead of the installed Nvidia card, or whatever you else you have. That's why performance was so awful. Trying to fix it through the Nvidia control panel doesn't work. Instead you have to go into windows graphics options and configure the Elden Ring ap to specifically only run with Nvidia.

One I did that the performance problems went away completely, although once in awhile there is a brief pause.

I was pretty close then. You were not using the latest drivers, after all!

Maybe I should have said "I bet you need to update your videocard drivers and then USE THEM"

Originally Posted by johnnysd
Smug BS semi-troll posts like this just piss me off. Many people do NOT want to play with a controller. I hate controllers.
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Ignore James. He seems to enjoy making people annoyed.

Originally Posted by SveNitoR
Ignore James. He seems to enjoy making people annoyed.

Fromsoftware M+K support likes making people annoyed. I'm simply informing people who've been living under a rock that these games are best played on controller.

Do you get it? They're already annoyed. I'm offering a solution. The very solution I picked for myself. I refuse to let others suffer inferior controls!

They will play it the superior way whether they like it or not!!

…And, yeah, I know some people are just trolling. Like Dart. One second he's talking about getting a PS5, the next he's complaining about having to use a controller on his pirate version of Elden Ring.

If you're trying to play ER on keyboard you're just trolling. Very funny, guys! You got me!

That's a good play relying on the fact I think most of you are special so I'd actually believe you're trying to play KB+M. Well played!

Originally Posted by Gokyabgu
As for button prompt there is a setting in the options menu, where you can change these prompts to keyboard. I hope this helps a bit.

I'm not sure how I missed that, but thanks for mentioning it.

I played some more last night. Started a new game as a Vagabond, and I like him a lot more than my first character who was a Warrior.

Having the correct prompts makes a difference, but it's still really annoying that only certain actions can be remapped. I guess I could just use a key remapping program if I really want to.

Originally Posted by JDR13
Having the correct prompts makes a difference, but it's still really annoying that only certain actions can be remapped. I guess I could just use a key remapping program if I really want to.

I hate having sneak mapped to the L3 button because inevitably I press it by accident as I'm moving around (and of course mostly when I'm moving around frantically, trying not to die, which is not coincidentally the worst time to accidentally crouch).

I could remap it, but since there are no extra slots I would have to remap something to L3, and there's nothing I would particularly want to accidentally do.

The even more annoying part is the L3 also unsummons your horse because on the horse there are fewer controls and thus I could remap it so that nothing was on L3… but the unsummon horse button isn't changeable.

Originally Posted by JFarrell71
I hate having sneak mapped to the L3 button because inevitably I press it by accident as I'm moving around (and of course mostly when I'm moving around frantically, trying not to die, which is not coincidentally the worst time to accidentally crouch).

I could remap it, but since there are no extra slots I would have to remap something to L3, and there's nothing I would particularly want to accidentally do.

That does sound pretty aggravating. One of the major downsides to a gamepad will always be having less buttons to map things to.

I have to disagree with SirJames's assessment that a gamepad is objectively better for this game. It controls just fine with K+M once you get it configured to your liking. They just need to fix not being able to remap everything.

Originally Posted by JDR13
I have to disagree with SirJames's assessment that a gamepad is objectively better for this game. It controls just fine with K+M once you get it configured to your liking. They just need to fix not being able to remap everything.

Can you move diagonally with a keyboard? How do you circle strafe? I can't see how K&M would work as well as a controller for this game, but admittedly I've never tried (though I have played other 3rd person action games with K&M and generally find it awkward)

Originally Posted by JFarrell71
Can you move diagonally with a keyboard? How do you circle strafe? I can't see how K&M would work as well as a controller for this game, but admittedly I've never tried (though I have played other 3rd person action games with K&M and generally find it awkward)

Of course you can move diagonally. You circle strafe the same way you do with a gamepad by using the lock-on mechanic.

Granted, certain things will be easier with a gamepad and vice versa. Moving diagonally is simpler with a thumb stick just like aiming the camera is faster and more precise with a mouse.

Originally Posted by JDR13
Of course you can move diagonally. You circle strafe the same way you do with a gamepad by using the lock-on mechanic.

Granted, certain things will be easier with a gamepad and vice versa. Moving diagonally is simpler with a thumb stick just like aiming the camera is faster and more precise with a mouse.

Sorry if I'm being dense, but how do you move diagonally? I don't mean by moving down and then left in succession or whatever. Can you move in a diagonal direction with the press of one key?

Originally Posted by JFarrell71
Sorry if I'm being dense, but how do you move diagonally? I don't mean by moving down and then left in succession or whatever. Can you move in a diagonal direction with the press of one key?

I would think it's pretty instinctive. You just press W+D for example if you want to move that way. At least that's what I do. If you wanted to make it one key you could use a key remapper like AutoHotkey or something like that, but I wouldn't bother with that personally.

How long do summons stay with you? Are they there until killed or is there a time limit? Talking about the NPCs not the ashes.

I had that knight help me kill the two demihuman bosses in the cave that takes you to the island, but he was killed just as I finished off the second boss. If he hadn't been killed, would he have continued to follow me around?

Originally Posted by JDR13
How long do summons stay with you? Are they there until killed or is there a time limit? Talking about the NPCs not the ashes.

I had that knight help me kill the two demihuman bosses in the cave that takes you to the island, but he was killed just as I finished off the second boss. If he hadn't been killed, would he have continued to follow me around?

No, he wouldn't. Summons like that stick around for the boss fight and no longer. At least that's how it was in Dark Souls 3 and I summoned the same guy for that same fight, and he peaced out when it was over.

Originally Posted by SirJames
Fromsoftware M+K support likes making people annoyed. I'm simply informing people who've been living under a rock that these games are best played on controller.

Do you get it? They're already annoyed. I'm offering a solution. The very solution I picked for myself. I refuse to let others suffer inferior controls!

They will play it the superior way whether they like it or not!!

…And, yeah, I know some people are just trolling. Like Dart. One second he's talking about getting a PS5, the next he's complaining about having to use a controller on his pirate version of Elden Ring.

If you're trying to play ER on keyboard you're just trolling. Very funny, guys! You got me!

That's a good play relying on the fact I think most of you are special so I'd actually believe you're trying to play KB+M. Well played!

No ones trolling you people just like different things. I beat DS 1-3 and lords of the fallen with M&K and beat sekiro, DS3, bloodbourne and nioh 2 with controller. They both have their plus and minuses. I switch back and forth depending on my mood and system I'm playing on. people should just play with whatever is comfortable for them.

even though I can use both I understand people being frustrated with a game that doesn't have good support for M&K on PC. And yes, telling people to "just use a controller" on a PC game is trolling. You knew you'd get a response and you wanted to.

Originally Posted by JDR13
I have to disagree with SirJames's assessment that a gamepad is objectively better for this game. It controls just fine with K+M once you get it configured to your liking. They just need to fix not being able to remap everything.

You know, there can be an occasion where I lose the lock-on target then click the right stick but instead of locking on it will quickly rotate the camera in the direction the player is facing. I never use that quick rotation feature. It also kinda goes against what I was saying about having to quickly render a whole new scene, which isn't really much of an issue even if it is a feat of technology to do it so fast.

I haven't really given K+M a fair go to properly evaluate its performance.

But the game plays exactly like Dark Souls other than the jump button and holding Y for the item pouch so it's definitely easier for me to just pick up a controller and play over learning the KB+M controls.

Also, WASD can only move in 8 directions. I laugh at your puny 45 degree diagonal movement. Real adventurers walk 46 degrees!

Originally Posted by sakichop
No ones trolling you people just like different things. I beat DS 1-3 and lords of the fallen with M&K and beat sekiro, DS3, bloodbourne and nioh 2 with controller. They both have their plus and minuses. I switch back and forth depending on my mood and system I'm playing on. people should just play with whatever is comfortable for them.

even though I can use both I understand people being frustrated with a game that doesn't have good support for M&K on PC. And yes, telling people to "just use a controller" on a PC game is trolling. You knew you'd get a response and you wanted to.

Eh, Darts definitely trolling.

"Just use a controller" is not trolling. Consoles, even phones, are just PCs. What's console hardware, just an AMD rig with an extra closed OS. Peripherals are not some secret PC feature. In these multi-platform days a controller is just as much a PC part as it is a console part. (especially if it's a Microsoft one!) Trolling would be telling console users to use KB+M.

There's plenty of devices out there to control games with. You could buy a steering wheel controller to play your car games or a joystick with throttle for your space sims. It's been that way for decades. I mean, there's videos out there of people beating Dark Souls with a toy guitar controller. With a little effort, I could probably rig my MIDI keyboard to control games with.

That's why PC is a good platform. It's more open and give you more options. To be a real PC user to to embrace that freedom.

Like I said above, I haven't properly evaluated KB+M for myself, but when replying to someone who's complaining about KB+M the obvious solution is to just use a controller. It's an excellent suggestion. It's what I do myself. It's how the developers play.

PS. Did you know Xbox is short for DirectX box?

What is the best controller for a PC these day? One that supports the widest range of games, good quality and not too expensive i.e. hundreds of dollars.

I've got an old logitech gamepad from about 8 years ago and I am wondering if it is time to upgrade.

edit: I've already got a proper fight stick that I made with japanese parts for fighting games/beat em ups so this would be specifically for games like Elden ring, Grand Theft Auto, RDR etc and the occasional emulator use.

BTW, if you're having trouble with KB+M you can quickly bring up the options screen by [removed]

Also, if you're having trouble with performance you can go to c:\windows and delete [removed]

(Example of actual trolling!)

Originally Posted by bjon045
What is the best controller for a PC these day?

I really don't know. I haven't looked into it at all. I just bought an xbox one and plugged it in and it works.

Originally Posted by bjon045
What is the best controller for a PC these day? One that supports the widest range of games, good quality and not too expensive i.e. hundreds of dollars.

I've got an old logitech gamepad from about 8 years ago and I am wondering if it is time to upgrade.

Imo, most controllers made for PC feel cheap compared to console gamepads. I've had several Logitech controllers in the past, and they were all average at best.

My advice is to get an actual Playstation or Xbox gamepad and blutooth it to your PC.

Originally Posted by JFarrell71
I hate having sneak mapped to the L3 button because inevitably I press it by accident as I'm moving around (and of course mostly when I'm moving around frantically, trying not to die, which is not coincidentally the worst time to accidentally crouch).

I could remap it, but since there are no extra slots I would have to remap something to L3, and there's nothing I would particularly want to accidentally do.

The even more annoying part is the L3 also unsummons your horse because on the horse there are fewer controls and thus I could remap it so that nothing was on L3… but the unsummon horse button isn't changeable.

So, I tried playing with a gamepad tonight, and yeah, having Crouch mapped to L3 is a terrible design choice. After the 5th or 6th time unmounting from Torrent in the middle of a fight, I remapped it to the top of the D-pad and swapped "Switch sorcery/incantation" to L3.

Are you sure it's not changeable on PS5? Check again. I'd be really surprised if it's not since I could do it in the PC version.

Originally Posted by bjon045
What is the best controller for a PC these day? One that supports the widest range of games, good quality and not too expensive i.e. hundreds of dollars.

The Xbox Elite Series 2 is supposedly the best one. Or at least it was last time I spent some time reading up on it.