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August 7th, 2020, 23:44
Despite their many shortcomings, I love Bethesda's style open world RPGs. Nobody has done them with the scope Bethesda has, and I still get excited at that moment in every one of their games when you emerge from the opening area and have a giant world open up in front of you.

But BGS isn't headed in a direction I care much for. Their games are getting more bland as they go, and obviously they've fully committed to multiplayer, crafting, games as service and all that garbage. If Obsidian can fill that niche, all power to them. Nothing about the teaser appealed, but that's not important. I do think making a game that large and open-ended is probably a lot harder than we armchair game developers realize, so maybe Obisidian won't succeed. I hope they do, though.
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August 7th, 2020, 23:48
Originally Posted by sakichop View Post
The only obsidian games Iíve really like was their NWN 1&2 stuff. POE was ok but Iíve still yet to finish it. Didnít really care for the watcher stuff though.

Given their last couple games Iíd say Obsidian is becoming a developer that doesnít make games Iím interested in.
Becoming? NWN2 was a long time ago (and NWN wasn't Obsidian), so you haven't been interested in their games for almost two decades. They've made quite a few different types of games over that span, so I guess I don't know what you do want from them.
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August 7th, 2020, 23:51
Originally Posted by borovnica View Post
Don't know about the PR at the moment but now they are owned by Microsoft.. so budget shouldn't be an issue anymore.
This is said often, but that's not how budgets work. They may have more resources they did before Microsoft bought them, but just because Microsoft has X dollars at their disposal does not mean they're willing to allocate any particular number of them to an Obsidian project. There are still limits. There are always limits.
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August 8th, 2020, 00:17
Originally Posted by JFarrell71 View Post
I do think making a game that large and open-ended is probably a lot harder than we armchair game developers realize, so maybe Obisidian won't succeed. I hope they do, though.
I reckon most big productions, be it a game or a movie, have so many moving parts, so many cooks, that it's always a bit of a swing and hope. I suspect most people that do it professionally have to embrace that: "Hey, sometimes you get the bear, sometimes the bear gets you."
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August 8th, 2020, 05:15
Originally Posted by JFarrell71 View Post
Becoming? NWN2 was a long time ago (and NWN wasn't Obsidian), so you haven't been interested in their games for almost two decades. They've made quite a few different types of games over that span, so I guess I don't know what you do want from them.
Yes, becoming. As I said I played POE and will still try POE2 and tyranny. Grounded and the other world are 2 games I have no interest in. Avowed, while itís way to early to tell looks like another I wont be interested in. I donít like first person perspective so the rest of the game will need to really appeal to me for me to put up with it.

As for what I want from obsidian, I donít want anything. They need to make the games they feel makes sense for them. Iíll judge each game individually and if I like it, great. if not, no biggie theyíre plenty of games I do like to play.

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August 8th, 2020, 06:09
I'd be more than happy to see Obsidian produce games more like Bethesda of yore. But isn't the real question whether Bethesda is gradually becoming EA? Tossing young gamers into that giant sarrlac pit of micro-transaction misery.
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August 8th, 2020, 13:18
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Obsidian only HARMED the gaming industry: they should burn in hell along with Larian and their guts & insides should turn into Black Rotting Goo!
In my opinion, Blizzard should - to take your picture - burn first. They destroyed almost everything in the RPG genre.

Nowadays, most RPGs have become mere lottery loot kill games. Thanks to Blizzard.
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August 8th, 2020, 15:53
Blizzard, ̶ ̶O̶b̶i̶s̶i̶d̶i̶a̶n̶ Obsidian, Bioware and a few others are long gone: joined the dark side and their lord Darth EA.
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August 8th, 2020, 17:17
Bethesda was at the pinnacle of greatness with Skyrim and Fallout 4 then it all went to hell completely. Bethesda has become the worst of the worst. Not giving players the games they want and ramming forced online microtransaction weak game hell on players.

I don't see Obsidian becoming that but it's possible now that they're under the corporate yoke.

I haven't really been impressed with anything Obsidian has done in a long while.

I found Outer Worlds almost immediately boring with weak combat and weaker stealth. Maybe I didn't play it long enough but after 10+ hours I felt like I'd seen everything the game would ever offer and it wasn't much. Grounded may be decent but I've been bored with the generic survival game formula for a while now.

Corporate tends to ruin everything and the vast majority of devs that end up in a corporate setting end up shifting focus from gamers making great games for gamers to slaves making games to milk money out of gamers.
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August 8th, 2020, 17:37
The downfall of Bethesda really has nothing to do with them. Their parent company ZeniMax Media hired a former EA executive. The shift started soon after.

Just recall their position a few years back when they stated the whole SP games aren't dead campaign and promoted SP heavily. Well it didn't work my friends.

The games that where primarily SP didn't meet expectations. That usually means sales were not that great. Yeah it's bullshit but that's how the business side works.

After that ZeniMax hired that EA exec and the shift to online/live service gained traction. I could go into more detail but videos, and articles about this are on the internet.

Now this doesn't mean I don't enjoy Bethesda games I do. As of right now we know nothing about Starfield, or the new Elder Scrolls game. They might have MP or might not.

Anyway back on topic I'm optimistic about Avowed. Like I said hope the leaks are true.
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August 8th, 2020, 17:57
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In my opinion, Blizzard should - to take your picture - burn first. They destroyed almost everything in the RPG genre.

Nowadays, most RPGs have become mere lottery loot kill games. Thanks to Blizzard.
I use to love Blizzard myself but the switch to online only game with no option to ever play offline soured my outlook any future games they release.

Pity as I hoped to play another Warcraft game someday.
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August 8th, 2020, 18:50
I have no issue with Obsidian wanting to do Bethesda-like games, but I also found Outer Worlds hollow and clunky. I love the sci-fi open world genre and I just couldn't get into it, but at least it was mostly finished on release.

And I don't really have a problem with Bethesda, now that I've learned to wait 6-12 months after release to buy their games. Yeah, it's easy to dislike Howard, but I've mostly enjoyed what they've come up with. That being said, I can't name one game that really stuck with me as a classic. Fallout 3 is probably the closest to that.
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August 8th, 2020, 23:06
I honestly don't care about their business model or how they function as an organisation as long as they release fun games.

That their aim is to copy what made Bethesda successful seems like a recipe for disaster since it's a different time and a different audience, but I'm willing to be surprised.

Just cut the crap, make fun games, and everyone will be happy.
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August 8th, 2020, 23:57
Well if they make games like Skyrim or FO4 then we are all set as those are extremely fun games!
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August 9th, 2020, 03:27
Originally Posted by Voqar View Post
Bethesda was at the pinnacle of greatness with Skyrim and Fallout 4 then it all went to hell completely. Bethesda has become the worst of the worst. Not giving players the games they want and ramming forced online microtransaction weak game hell on players.
They've released one game since Fallout 4. Yeah, there was that Elder Scrolls phone thing, but what phone game isn't a microtransaction hellscape? I'm not terribly optimistic about their direction either, but I don't think any one game, no matter how bad it was, can single-handedly mark them as going to hell. We'll eventually see how Starfield and/or Elder Scrolls VI goes, and then we'll know.
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August 9th, 2020, 05:44
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Bethesda was at the pinnacle of greatness with Skyrim and Fallout 4

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