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September 19th, 2020, 15:02
A rather interesting article on gaming with a more positive spin:

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Pete Etchells, a professor of psychology and communications in England, and author of the book, Lost in a Good Game, thinks video games tap into the reaches of emotional and moral faculties that traditional arts and entertainment can’t reach. The player can drive action, exert agency, and explore imagined worlds freely. Video games, Etchells says, “embody the principles of existentialism.” A story can be cathartic but only a game can make you feel guilty for what you’ve done or were compelled to do. A 2010 paper in Review of General Psychology states, “Compared with other media such as books, films, and radio, electronic games appear to have an unusually expansive appeal and serve a surprising number of emotional, social, and intellectual needs.”4 For Etchells, an avid gamer, video games are a “creative medium” that can “offer us unparalleled opportunities for exploring what it means to be human.”
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September 19th, 2020, 16:44
I've seen plenty of positive things about gaming in the general media. It's not mentioned as much as it should be, IMHO. Newspapers are way more likely to give you recommendations on books and movies than games, for instance.
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September 19th, 2020, 17:40
Originally Posted by Zloth View Post
I've seen plenty of positive things about gaming in the general media. It's not mentioned as much as it should be, IMHO. Newspapers are way more likely to give you recommendations on books and movies than games, for instance.
That is good to know. I think the negative ones stand out in my memory, or just haven't seen as many positive ones, which gives the impression there are few positive ones.

I also resonated with this a bit more as I tend to play characters that are a more ideal me - someone I would strive to be more like as far as core values and strength of will and purpose.
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September 19th, 2020, 22:01
I do think he's onto something. I think there's something uniquely powerful about having agency in a narrative, that is different from the arts that went before. And I think that sense of involvement doesn't have to stem from branching choice and consequence - even in a linear game, the fact that you fought that battle and eventually progressed things is still very potent.

I saw an interview recently with John Carpenter, and he's someone who sees games as an exciting new art form for the future. I agree. I think the early phase of gaming was fairly "bubblegum" compared to the best of the traditional arts, but I think the potential is enormous. It's worth considering that even the novel is a relatively recent invention in human history.
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September 20th, 2020, 09:37
Personally, I don't believe that everything in gaming is "art".
I can recognize art when I see it.

Some games, however, are ot art; they are basically merely cash-grabs.

And don't get me started on the lack of story. Some games just don't have much of it. And I personally regard rather those games as "art" which have some impactful story.
To animate a gamer to simply press several buttons is not "art" to me.

And games being art … how comes that Microsoft doesn't develop the tools to preserve this art in the future ? Museums will have a hard time.

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September 20th, 2020, 16:03
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And games being art … how comes that Microsoft doesn't develop the tools to preserve this art in the future ? Museums will have a hard time.

I agree with the idea that not all games are art while at the same knowing what one considers art is pretty subjective at times. I have seen some art that seems more like some artist just trying to get attention for their ego and/or cash grab. It may still be art but looks like trash to me

Anyhow I wanted to point out there are some video game museums already:

http://www.museumofgaming.org.uk/
https://www.museumofplay.org/about/icheg

And a WIKI List: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o…o_game_museums
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Video games are an art form the same way a movie or a book is an art form.

They tell stories.

When we watch a movie or read book, we are being given a story. We are told names of characters, locations, motivations, conflict and goals. But we have no actual footnote in the story. It’s not the reader or the moviegoer who does things. It’s the characters we sympathize with who face challenge, danger and turmoil with luck, triumph or failure.

We follow a story in a book or a movie. This, I argue, is where video games diverge in storytelling, becoming not only unique, but SUPERIOR.

Video games are an art form because you aren’t being told a story. You ARE the story.

In a video game, action is driven by the player. Your drive pushes the story forward. You actions shape the world.

In video games, it’s you who saves the day. Your effort is what pushes events forward and gets things done. No one else. Just you. The same rules refer to gambling games. I think it's wonderful when you can make your own successful story playing at https://mr.bet/. My story has just started.
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