Star Wars Poster

pibbur who said:

There. Fixed that for you.

Ha-ha ho-ho he-he ha-ha

pibbur who thinks life is beautiful occasionally and who wonders if watching the new SW will be one of those occasions.

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I originally wrote that, but i figured the song said it better than me, so i said come get me instead.

Ahh. I see.

Pibbur who was/is in his nitpicking mode.

GothicGothicness said:

Each time you hear that Star Wars music, you realise how good it is though!! Must be like the best movie music ever!

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I really love the Force theme, one of my top favourite melodies in movie music. (It is the one you hear in the trailer starting at minute 1:21). I like how you can effectively modulate that theme to fit a large variety of moods.

I have to admit that I did enjoy the trailer….and that is a bad thing because I absolutely do not want to hype mysef up ……after all, the lower the expectations, the better the experience .

John Williams has written some of the best & most memorable themes in Hollywood history. Superman, Star Wars, Jurassic Park, Indiana Jones, E.T. & Jaws, among others. The man is brilliant.

Everyone realizes that Quentin Tarantino's Hateful Eight comes out at Christmas right?
Though I will go to this movie as well, get mad at how bad it is then have a 4 hour nap while my children eat junk food watching it.

CelticFrost said:

Everyone realizes that Quentin Tarantino's Hateful Eight comes out at Christmas right?
Though I will go to this movie as well, get mad at how bad it is then have a 4 hour nap while my children eat junk food watching it.

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I wasn't even aware of it until I saw your post. I just watched the trailer, and I think it looks pretty good. I'm a big fan of Tarantino though, and he's rarely disappointed me.

I am mildly hyped for Star Wars, but I'm more hyped for Spectre which comes out very soon. I know they're both long-in-the-tooth franchises, but at least with Bond you're kind of guaranteed an expected minimum with guaranteed quality in many departments even if one or two aspects are weak.

It's a Hollywood holy grail to try and find ever-lasting franchises and many think that something Bond-like is possible and continually strive for that kind of longevity expectation. What they don't understand is that the longevity of Bond is mostly a pure luck discovery that is so unique in so many aspects that attempting to mimic it is actually really quite futile.

I could write a HUGE essay (wall of text) on the matter, but I'll bullet point some of the biggies:

1. It's still the same production team since the first one, not in personnel but in philosophy and company, governed by the Broccoli family. Similar in metaphore to Disney while still under control of a Disney.

2. The expected tasks of the hero are understandably never-ending with a natural requirement for unlimited scope of variety of adventure. As an opposing example of something like Die-Hard where each successive scenario feels more and more ridiculous simply because the basic premise is unnatural.

3. The series really specialises in what it does well, as in really really well and specifically recruits only the best in the field for the job, and these areas are not necessarily just Star's wages and promotional budget. You respect the fact that you know a large amount of the budget is being directed towards the craftsmen, such as model makers, stuntmen, camera work, music, locations, wider casting, costumes et al. If the show fails on the usual hypetrain problems of actors, directors and script then we know it's secondary to the real meat anyway and what would produce garbage in any other movie is still slightly above average entertainment because of this.

4. It was the first movie franchise to tick all the right emotional response boxes, and not because some PR guru extrapolated a formula, but just because of luck. An infinite number of monkeys hacked at their keyboards and this was the one that got it right. The right amount of love and/or sex, the right amount of violence/machismo, the right amount of tension, the right amount of pacing, even just stumbling on the right kind of likable characters, the personalities of which are malleable enough to be carried by new actors doing new things without losing the basic character premise.

5. Because the series is so entrenched on showcasing the latest technology, often a slight fantasy, dare I say even midly sci-fi level of technology, the show can never feel dated in the way other franchises become. It's never tied to it's era but rather, naturally, adapts itself so easily to the latest fads, trends and technologies. Where other concepts struggle to force modernity into their scripts, Bond requires changes to stay relevant, but always within the confines of the comfort factor of the same universe of M, Q, Moneypenny, Bond, Felix Lighter and Villain of the week + unique henchmen.

Now go to Star Wars and you have this very unquantifiable entity which has a HUGE demand for continuation, but none of the natural ingredients. Because the ingredients aren't creatable by intention, they are luck variables. So where Bond always comes naturally, Star Wars has, since Return of the Jedi really, always been about trying to force (excuse the pun) itself upon the world.

So, whoops, sorry for the wall of text, it's just one of my subjects so I get self-triggered into walls of text so easily, but, yeah, looking forward to trying the Star Wars movie, but I'm much more hyped for Spectre.

I already have tickets booked for the Spectre premiere

I saw the new Bond today. Because it's not on global release yet I'll not say much about it to avoid spoilers, but I can give you the basic de-hype summary without giving too much away.

If you go in too hyped you will probably feel let down. If you go in under-hyped you'll probably be pleasantly surprised. All the main actors play their parts really well and nothing feels terribly phoned-in, though the usual modern curse of mumbling actors instead of traditional PROJEcting AktORz is a little too prevalent. If it was real life I feel sure the script would be full of "Sorry, can you repeat that" and "what did you say" and "Nope, you'll have to repeat that, I only got something about 'secret plumbs' and 'Worm's going to bend in 10 wallets" etc etc.

It has all the elements of a Bond movie, but perhaps a bit more check-list than inspirational. Though this doesn't matter in a lot of cases as some of those checkpoints are glorious, the ones that miss the mark are made doubly missed by playing it so by-the-book. As they say on The Great British Bake Off, if you're going with the simple recipe, you better make it perfect, because judges always give the inspired ideas a bit of leeway, but you'll get no leeway for playing it safe.

I saw The Da Vinci Code again for the second time the other day and the parallels are surprisingly similar. The person I watched it with really enjoyed it, but I found it to be a bit over-long and lacking in the personality department. Again, watching the new Bond today with the same person, they really enjoyed it but I was left a bit middling, wondering why it had to be so long, why it felt a bit soulless and why it had to keep jumping from location to location with barely any time in each location. Give me the editors scissors and I could easily hack an hour out for no great loss etc etc.

There were three things I didn't like. One was the plot-twist about Bond and the main villain. For me it was an "oh, just fuck off" plot-twist, for others it's probably not on that level. The second was that they didn't play the Bond theme when the chase scenes started. My colleague didn't even notice, but for me it was a sore thumb of an error of omission. It's like Star Wars without the lightsabre sound effect, you know. The third thing I didn't like was the whole Intelligence agency civil war/internal politics nonsense, that's where most of my editing cuts would take place, it felt like padding to me. This was just me and my biases though, your mileage may vary.

As per usual the stunts, set-pieces, girls, bad-guys, acting, locations, costumes etc etc etc are second to none and it's wonderfully refreshing to not have to watch adult-cartoon CGI for 90 minutes, but at 2 and a half hours it's possibly a bit too much to go without some meaty childishness.

TL : DR Wherever I saw flaws I could assign pretty much all of them to the director and script editor side of the production process, whereas everything else was top drawer. More time in the villain's lair please, less arguing about the future of the intelligence agency, etc etc. More time shagging please, less time having Q being told off by M etc etc. More Bond theme please, less low key strings, etc etc.

More of a Connery/Dalton than Moore/Brosnan and more From Russia With Love, Majesty's Secret Service or Spy Who Loved Me than Moonraker, Goldfinger or Golden Gun.

I'll go into more specific details a week or two down the road.

For me it was a slightly above average movie and a slightly below average Bond movie, but my colleague thought it was one of the best they'd seen, so, again, mileage may vary.

See the Star Wars Poster thread popup with new comments, read the latest posts and it's about the lasted Bond movie Specter.

Sorry about that, I was continuing my convo with GG. Also it's not my full thoughts on the movie and is just my thoughts on the hype-train aspect, which is what this thread is about really, the de-hype train. As I said, I'll put a proper thoughts post about the movie in the movie thread when other people have had a chance to see the movie. It's kind-of hiding here rather than purposely being here.

lackblogger said:

Sorry about that, I was continuing my convo with GG. Also it's not my full thoughts on the movie and is just my thoughts on the hype-train aspect, which is what this thread is about really, the de-hype train. As I said, I'll put a proper thoughts post about the movie in the movie thread when other people have had a chance to see the movie. It's kind-of hiding here rather than purposely being here.

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Just had the samne thought …

And the viral marketing truly started for the movie:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBh0hgP8wWk

It is an awesome ads though and I'm puzzled over who is paid for this. Did Disney pay Duracell or did Duracell pay Disney, lol.

Probably Duracell paid for the commercial ?

The hype is strong in this one: