Favourite drink while playing?

Favourite drink while playing a game?

  • 1. Beer

    Votes: 6 15.8%
  • 2. Wine

    Votes: 1 2.6%
  • 3. Liquor (alc. > 35%)

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • 4. Soft drink

    Votes: 8 21.1%
  • 5. Energy drink

    Votes: 1 2.6%
  • 6. Juice

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • 7. Hot chocolate

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • 8. Coffee

    Votes: 7 18.4%
  • 9. Tea

    Votes: 5 13.2%
  • 10. Water

    Votes: 10 26.3%

  • Total voters
    38
Yeah your right, nothing matters. Why go to school, why get a job, why try to learn anything new? Maybe we should all become rapists and murders because nothing matters. Now I know why this planet is in such bad shape.

The planet is in bad shape from people being stuck in their thought and mind patterns. Nothing matters does not come from an anti-life place. The natural state of human beings is one that can't cause harm to another being. When you discard the mind and social conditioning you see what you really are, which is a consciousness of peace, love and harmony with the universe. This is your natural state, it's everybody's natural state. If more people recognized their natural state instead of being stuck in illusory mind thoughts, the planet would be a much nicer place.
 
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Research and science is not a waste of time, at least not to most people. Pubmed is used by scientists and doctors all over the world, the topics discussed on Longecity is just that; current science, new discoveries (in e.g medicine, life-extension, nootropics), ongoing research is also discussed. I dare you to find a better forum for that, especially so for e.g nootropics :)

Yes, I know what Pubmed is, and how to use it, thanks. My problem is with a forum for cranks and charlatans, that misunderstand and/or misrepresent the research, and impress a load of Dunning-Kruger cases, who then go forth and confidently misinform others with their half-baked "expertise".

My advice regarding "nootropics" - don't bugger about with your neurology with drugs, based on what you read on some forum.
 
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Yes, I know what Pubmed is, and how to use it, thanks. My problem is with a forum for cranks and charlatans, that misunderstand and/or misrepresent the research, and impress a load of Dunning-Kruger cases, who then go forth and confidently misinform others with their half-baked "expertise".

My advice regarding "nootropics" - don't bugger about with your neurology with drugs, based on what you read on some forum.

Like expected you had nothing, you claim "cranks and charlatants" yet you have nothing to point at, just a general "that's how it is".

I would never use anything without proper research. That includes reading on pubmed, on forums and of course what my personal experience in the end is. I think overall nootropics are kind of overrated, especially the racetams, but there's a few that i like and that i notice benefits from. If you want to discuss nootropics this is hardly the right thread though, start a new.
 
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I think you misunderstand my aim. I have no interest in attempting any to disabuse you of your notions and pet theories, which I think would not get very far. My only interest is to provide others with enough to suspect, "Hmm... perhaps this isn't too credible." That will do for me, and I trust that intelligent people know the score.

Ultimately, here is my overriding advice to others - don't get your health advice from the "Immortality Institute", and don't get it from Rpgwatch.com. Assume we're all full of shit, and get your health and dietary advice from a professional, or verifiably credible source. That might be throwing the good out with the bad, but that would be far preferable to taking on-board the health recommendations of random forum warriors.
 
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I don’t get the impression vurt is advocating to listen to just one source, a forum, only.

Btw I think any person should always be critical, whatever the source. You, Ripper, seem to trust the professional a lot: “get your health and dietary advice from a professional”.
Unfortunately I have experienced serious consequences of medical mistakes and negligence by several professionals, consequences that meant a lot of suffering in everyday life for over two decades.
Hence my advice: be critical, whatever the source. Always use your brain, always pay attention to your gut feeling.

Also, I sense a prejudice. You, Ripper, denounce sugar or sugar substitues rather strongly, yet the things someone else mentions (like Vurt) seem to heed an explicit warning from you. Without having any of the specifics from you or vurt on the table.
If you are judging Vurt based on what he said here, in his postings, you should apply the same criteria to your postings.
 
Also, I sense a prejudice. You, Ripper, denounce sugar or sugar substitues rather strongly, yet the things someone else mentions (like Vurt) seem to heed an explicit warning from you. Without having any of the specifics from you or vurt on the table.
If you are judging Vurt based on what he said here, in his postings, you should apply the same criteria to your postings.

I think that's what I just did in my previous post - I said, with no basis to determine our credibility, people would be much better off ignoring all random forum health experts, including me, and looking to more valid sources. Of course I have a prejudice - I think I'm correct in my assessment that Vurt doesn't really know what he's talking about, and his advice is dodgy. I'm not going to get into a detailed debate about the teachings of the Immortality Institute, any more then I would with a flat Earther. I'm happy to leave a great deal unsaid, and accept the judgement and instincts of others. I also didn't make any claims about sugar or artifical sweeteners - I said that I find the body of evidence suggesting that all sodas are linked to poor health is alarming. Hopefully people would investigate that for themselves, if they care, and I'm sure many people are already well-aware.

In terms of other prejudice, do I favour the advice of professionals over non-professionals? Yep. For those that do otherwise, God bless.
 
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"Hmm… perhaps this isn't too credible."

What's not credible with e.g pubmed or discussions around the research and findings there? Any source to this claim other than your own theory? I have only given advice to search for information. I know you're mad at me for whatever reason, but it's getting a bit ridiculous.

Also you never provided a link to what you think is a better forum than Longecity. I doubt you even have any interest, it's again just arguing for the sake of arguing. Pick better fights or don't pick them at all, this is again one you can not win.
 
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The problem, as I've already said, is not Pubmed - that's just a source of research data, which is often complex, nuanced, and requires specialist knowledge to interpret. The problem is people that take that research, form a half-baked understanding of what it tells us, and spin that into insufficiently-supported health advice. A very similar thing occurs with a lot of crankish bad science - you see a lot of alternative woo supported by bits of half-understood quantum physics, and so on. I'm not mad at you, but that sort of thing is one of my pet peeves.

Why on Earth would I recommend another forum, when my whole point is that it's not a good idea to get such information from random forum posters? If you you would like me to suggest some sources of health information that are likely to be less silly than "Advocacy and Research for Unlimited Lifespans", I'd recommend the WHO or the NHS, which require a high standard of evidence before issuing public health advice.
 
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No, it's not complex to read an article (or search a forum) about content of aluminium etc in tea and what to buy to avoid that, if its possible. Again you have to turn my post into something it wasn't to try to "win" the argument, it's not working out for you. Pubmed can be complex yes, i often decide to read the article + discussions around it, e.g personal experiences. It's a whole other discussion though that has nothing to do with my original post.
 
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No, I'm answering the specific questions you just asked me in your last post, about my objection to your sources, and other, better forums. I'm not trying to "win" the argument - I suspect anyone still reading will have already sorted themselves into Camp Immortality or Camp Reality, and I'm happy that they are in the correct ones. :p
 
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Immortality, you cling to that, while I think the topic is and was: published studies.

So it seems to me it is Camp Reality vs. Camp Holiness, you know, where only some specifically highly trained people have the privilege to share and talk about health issues, and give health advice. The moral of the fifties.
Luckily, many health workers nowadays understand not only the benefits of sharing findings and reasonings with Joe and Jane Simpleton, but also of people dealing with a similar problem talking with each other about it and pointing each other to things that are helpful.

What you seem to say is that simply because people share info on a forum it is bad info.
And if you get info from a pro it is good info.
That is simply not true.

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I have never visited that Longevity forum btw.
 
No, I'm answering the specific questions you just asked me in your last post, about my objection to your sources, and other, better forums. I'm not trying to "win" the argument - I suspect anyone still reading will have already sorted themselves into Camp Immortality or Camp Reality, and I'm happy that they are in the correct ones. :p

No one has argued that immortality is something we currently have though, it's again yet another thing you have to create out of thin air to try to have some kind of argument. You are incredible predictable, and not very bright. For MOST people reading up about content in tea is not exactly rocket science.
 
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Immortality, you cling to that, while I think the topic is and was: published studies.

Yes, and what I'm saying is that the issue comes down to the sensible (or otherwise) interpretation of those studies, and I think that the if the ones doing the interpretation are the immortality people , that might possibly speak to their credibility.

All this stuff about holiness(?), fifties morality(!?), and thinking everyone is a simpleton, is your own invention. So too is the claim that I'm saying all forum advice is bad advice, and all professional advice is never mistaken - I'm suggesting that the probability of getting good advice from a professional is much higher than a random forum poster, and particularly if the forum in question is of the "siempre viva!" variety. And, if one has had bad expert advice in the past, the conclusion should probably not be that one should seek non-expert advice in the future.

Look at it this way. There are a couple of subjects I know I understand well. Then there are many subjects, like financial affairs, dentistry, and country dancing, that I know almost nothing about, and I would most definitely defer to an expert on those matters. Then there are things that I know a bit about, and that interest me, but in which i am definitely no expert, like law. If there was a discussion about some legal matters in the gaming industry, I might chuck in my two cents, and make my case, but I'd know I might have to defer to someone who really knows the subject. But, if there were a member here discussing legal issues around actual IRL proceedings, I'd know that anything I said would have to be very carefully qualified by my lack of expertise. And, if I or anyone else was holding forth with half-baked information, I'd say it would be a good thing if someone who might actually know the subject chipped in and said, "Please, guys, take this stuff with a large pinch of salt."

It's really about honestly assessing the level of one's own understanding in relation to the matter at hand.
 
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Yes, and what I'm saying is that the issue comes down to the sensible (or otherwise) interpretation of those studies, and I think that the if the ones doing the interpretation are the immortality people , that might possibly speak to their credibility.

All this stuff about holiness(?), fifties morality(!?), and thinking everyone is a simpleton, is your own invention. So too is the claim that I'm saying all forum advice is bad advice, and all professional advice is never mistaken - I'm suggesting that the probability of getting good advice from a professional is much higher than a random forum poster, and particularly if the forum in question is of the "siempre viva!" variety.
Well, let me say you worded it differently in #108. Apodictic, if that is the correct English word. Anyway, read that posting again and I’m sure you know what I mean.
And, if one has had bad expert advice in the past, the conclusion should probably not be that one should seek non-expert advice in the future.

Look at it this way. There are a couple of subjects I know I understand well. Then there are many subjects, like financial affairs, dentistry, and country dancing, that I know almost nothing about, and I would most definitely defer to an expert on those matters. Then there are things that I know a bit about, and that interest me, but in which i am definitely no expert, like law. If there was a discussion about some legal matters in the gaming industry, I might chuck in my two cents, and make my case, but I'd know I might have to defer to someone who really knows the subject. But, if there were a member here discussing legal issues around actual IRL proceedings, I'd know that anything I said would have to be very carefully qualified by my lack of expertise. And, if I or anyone else was holding forth with half-baked information, I'd say it would be a good thing if someone who might actually know the subject chipped in and said, "Please, guys, take this stuff with a large pinch of salt."

It's really about honestly assessing the level of one's own understanding in relation to the matter at hand.
But you don’t have to spell that out every time someone is referring to a study or a source. The internet is not a recent phenomenon, we all know there is a lot of rubbish out there.
Still, when ignorant most of us start by looking for more info on the internet. Which can be quite helpful in defining the problem. Even doctors acknowledge that.

Moreover, telling fools they should take specific info with a pinch of salt will not stop them.
I think it is more helpful to point to good sites than to just say that people should not read studies if they don’t have the “required specialist knowledge to interpret them” and to immediately refer them to a specialist.
A good specialist won’t mind me confronting him/her with the data found and will explain to me why it is or is not relevant. I have had several medical specialists who said they appreciated talking to an ‘informed patient’, for the conversation takes less time.
Sure, talking to people who have picked up total bs might be demanding, but these people are the minority, and with some effort make grateful patients who are convinced they will be properly taken care of. Again, people know there is a lot of bs on the net.

For some of us, or for some specific issues, consulting an expert might be too expensive, in that case the internet can be very helpful and surely a better help than a neighbour knowing the same or less than you.

Another thing I’d like to stress is that untill recently specifics about lifestyle and diet got hardly any attention from the medical sector. It still is rather unpopular. Cardiovascular diseases excluded.
So people turn to the internet, for most of us just want to stay healthy for as long as is possible. That is why people start buying berries when it is on the news that is good for you.

The right berries, the right tea, the right mental approach… even if it is complete nonsense to me, fine if it works for them. We are not talking about physical ailments, diseases or dangerous situations that demand immediate attention here.
 
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Rippers first post on that matter, #87, was in response to a link to that forum, not a specific source or study. I dont really see anything wrong with his objection. Everyone can make up his own mind about that place.

Also, not everyone knows how to seperate actual information from all the chaff that floats around on the web. Similarly, not all people seem able to spot a ponzi scheme or other types of (seemingly) obvious frauds.

Another point I disagree to is the idea that no harm could possibly come from this. Even dietary advice may be dangerous, e.g., if there is some unknown precondition, or if the advice is sufficiently extreme. But that's not the only thing. I strongly disagree with the idea that some pseudo-science is OK, if no physical harm is done. Spreading pseudo-science decreases people's ability to distinguish it from research that is actually going through reasonable scientific processes. It's not so much of a physical harm as a harm to society. Next thing you know, everyone is a "climate sceptic" and no one is vaccinating against the measles anymore.
 
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Indeed, and if I was a bit more aggressive in my approach in my earlier posts, it's because I came in and saw that Sakichop was concerned about a specific claim, in relation to a real kidney condition, and he was pointed to the life eternal forum, to which my reaction was, "Oh, you have got to be fucking kidding!"
 
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I like what Eye had to say in some of her points. I think its healthy to question everything. Yes, even things that are considered sacred cows or that might be disturbing to other people. The more someone tells me something is beyond question, the more I tend to want to question it.
 
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Tonight I am trying Canterbury Cream while reading the forum on favourite drinks and I have to say its rather moorish. I should be through with 13% alcohol.

P.S I plan to live forever but my liver might have something to say about that. I think its saying drink more ;-)
 
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