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January 8th, 2018, 19:00
If you only read doom and gloom news about how the world its ending and everyone its a sexual predator you may have missed this.

2017 WAS FANTASTIC FOR US STOCKS!!!

Final results
S&P increase 19.4%
Naddaq increase 28.2%
DOW increase 25.1%

That means "safe boring stable low risk" index funds made people money!!!
Lots and lots and lots.

The cool part is that a lot of the index is held by "average" portfolios. So pensions, retirement, personal investment etc. Ie. The "average" American.

Also unemployment in USA the lowest level since 2001.
4.1% which worldwide today is honestly freaking awesome.

So there. Non political happy news.
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January 8th, 2018, 19:41
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2017 WAS FANTASTIC FOR US STOCKS!!!
I'm positively thrilled.
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January 8th, 2018, 19:57
Other happy news (if this is supposed to be a thread for that):

1. Norway: 106 killed in road accidents, the lowest in 70 years. Compare that to 1976 when 560 people died. If we extrapolate that number, based on traffic density and number of people living here, around 2000 would die yearly today.

I suppose other countries also can show similar numbers.

2. The world: 2017 was one of the best years in commercial airline security: 6 passengers killed, but only in accidents involving small aircraft, none in "major" aircraft like Boeings, and Airbuses. There were deaths on charter and cargo flights, and on the 16th of january 35 people on the ground were killed when Turkish Airlines Flight 6491 (cargo flight) crashed in a residential area in Kyrgyzstan. But all in all a great year in the air.

BTW: Feel free to correct me if I've got the numbers wrong

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January 8th, 2018, 20:16
As I understand it, the world is a much better place today than it ever was - if we actually go this statistical route.

It's just that such news don't sell.

However, I'm a bit more impatient with human beings - and as long as there's a single person suffering needlessly and we can do something about it, I think we suck.

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January 8th, 2018, 20:53
An interesting examination of this idea, and some reasons to be skeptical.

https://www.theguardian.com/news/201…-new-optimists
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Originally Posted by Ripper View Post
An interesting examination of this idea, and some reasons to be skeptical.

https://www.theguardian.com/news/201…-new-optimists
News company says its ok to be permanently negative. Shocker….

Also with a quote like this you can be sure they really focussed on real issues for that article…

before even considering the string of deaths of beloved celebrities that seemed like a calculated attempt, on 2016’s part, to rub salt in the wound: in the space of a few months, David Bowie, Leonard Cohen, Prince, Muhammad Ali, Carrie Fisher and George Michael, to name only a handful, were all gone.)
Yep, celebrity deaths.. surely the make or break of a world economy..
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January 8th, 2018, 21:32
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Yep, celebrity deaths.. surely the make or break of a world economy..
OP = US economy
Second post = World economy

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News company says its ok to be permanently negative. Shocker….
Fake news?

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Yep, celebrity deaths.. surely the make or break of a world economy..
No - I'm pretty sure that's a total misrepresentation of the article. For shame!
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Other happy news (if this is supposed to be a thread for that):

1. Norway: 106 killed in road accidents, the lowest in 70 years. Compare that to 1976 when 560 people died. If we extrapolate that number, based on traffic density and number of people living here, around 2000 would die yearly today.

I suppose other countries also can show similar numbers.

2. The world: 2017 was one of the best years in commercial airline security: 6 passengers killed, but only in accidents involving small aircraft, none in "major" aircraft like Boeings, and Airbuses. There were deaths on charter and cargo flights, and on the 16th of january 35 people on the ground were killed when Turkish Airlines Flight 6491 (cargo flight) crashed in a residential area in Kyrgyzstan. But all in all a great year in the air.

BTW: Feel free to correct me if I've got the numbers wrong

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Oops…

Overbury plane crash: Two men die after light aircraft crash in a Worcestershire field - 11 minutes ago
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January 8th, 2018, 22:25
Originally Posted by lackblogger View Post
OP = US economy
Second post = World economy

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Read article. It was relevant.
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I'm pretty sure US economy is relevant to the rest of the world.

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I'm pretty sure US economy is relevant to the rest of the world.
Pretty sure you are correct Although, it might be politically correct

Because of its size and interconnectedness, developments in the US economy are bound to have important effects around the world. The US has the world’s single largest economy, accounting for almost a quarter of global GDP (at market exchange rates), one-fifth of global FDI, and more than a third of stock market capitalisation. It is the most important export destination for one-fifth of countries around the world. The US dollar is the most widely used currency in global trade and financial transactions, and changes in US monetary policy and investor sentiment play a major role in driving global financing conditions (World Bank 2016).

I'm positive this goes both ways though. You global folks are pretty stinking important to us too
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January 8th, 2018, 22:50
It's definitely time the US learned a few lessons from Europe. At least, the better parts of Europe

Before Vietnam, you set a pretty damned good example. But that time is long gone.

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January 8th, 2018, 23:05
Why is this good news ? I mean sure on paper I made a lot of money but so what - it hasn't improved the economy. It doesn't help people out of work find jobs. It help resolve conflicts. So why is this fantastic news ?

As for impact on pension plans and similar. The value of all investments is how much you pay for them vs how much you get when you cash out. If you don't cash out today and the market crashes and burn then all these pensions plans will suffer greatly. I don't see anything with the current polices that suggest long term stability (though I think 2018 will be a good year due to tax changes but not so sure about 2020).

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If you only read doom and gloom news about how the world its ending and everyone its a sexual predator you may have missed this.

2017 WAS FANTASTIC FOR US STOCKS!!!

Final results
S&P increase 19.4%
Naddaq increase 28.2%
DOW increase 25.1%

That means "safe boring stable low risk" index funds made people money!!!
Lots and lots and lots.

The cool part is that a lot of the index is held by "average" portfolios. So pensions, retirement, personal investment etc. Ie. The "average" American.

Also unemployment in USA the lowest level since 2001.
4.1% which worldwide today is honestly freaking awesome.

So there. Non political happy news.
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January 8th, 2018, 23:08
Stock market has nothing to do with economy domestic or world.

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January 8th, 2018, 23:20
I think a large factor is simply that they know they have a guy in charge who will instinctively serve the interests of the rich, and do everything he can to assist them in making a fast buck at everyone else's expense. They're quite excited.
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January 8th, 2018, 23:54
Bahaha!

Well you can continue to live in doom and gloom. Some of us are enjoying life without the abject fear and misery.

You can bet if the market stayed the same or dropped in 2017 would be on the front page of every major newspage with quotes on how relevant to the world ending.

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January 8th, 2018, 23:55
Really fascinating at the posts demanding that good news isnt really good news. Please do the same on the next negative news swing.
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January 8th, 2018, 23:59
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Read article. It was relevant.
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Everything's relevant. It all depends what you want to rope into the discussion.

The US stock markets as a whole have been booming for years, despite the economy as a whole supposedly being in recession. Now the economies are supposedly coming out of recession you point to high stock values as an indicator of a good year economically. The two subjects have very little in common.

The stock indices simply value the top ranking publicly listed firms. Individual companies can collapse and vanish without denting the headline figure. Companies don't have to have any great presence in their county of listing in order to top their charts.

For example: "Boeing. The aerospace giant contributed a massive 37.5 percent to the Dow's gain." with a 89.4% increase in value, but does that mean the whole economy has risen by 37.5%? Meanwhile General Electric Co. was hidden in the happiness, down individually by a whopping 45%. So did the people working for and investing in GE have a "great year for the stock exchanges"?

If you want to be factual, it was a great year for Boeing but a terrible year for GE. People who work in the stockmarket don't care if anything's up or down individually, they just care about what price they buy at versus what price they sell at.

Pension companies? Sure, they've had a good year, but as someone else said, pensions are about the big picture, any one single pension fund will see, what, five or ten peaks and slumps in the course of its lifetime? Is each peak really something to celebrate, champagne style? I've never witnessed such celebrations, personally.

The extent to which the world economy relates to the DOW figures? I have no idea, I guess it depends which countries you like and which you don't. What you mean by economic improvement generally and which companies you like seeing do well.

But, of course, too much detail and we're going to enter politics…
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