Blizzard - New Diablo Game Coming
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All the marketing monies in the world won't save a turd product from looking like a turd. Gamers that I know TALK with other gamers, and share knowledge, much like we do here, but in person. Sure, they might make money, but I'd prefer having a good reputation, and companies like Electronic Arts and Blizzard sold theirs years ago. Once that stink is on a company, it is tough to cover, let alone dispel.
Except there are plenty of people (millions actually) who would disgree with that opinion.
Also, I don't believe we were talking only about sales at release but overall sales, and D3 continued to sell well over time.
Imo, the game is very average. I didn't love it, but I didn't hate it either. I seem to be in the minority here as most people apparently feel very strongly about it one way or the other. I get a kick out the the people who'll talk until they're blue in the face about how terrible the game is though. It isn't and never was. No amount of hype and marketing could have pushed that many copies (and kept millions playing for a prolonged period) if the game was terrible.
I share the opinion that Blizzard has went downhill over the years. They used to be one of my favorite developers back in the day, and now I barely pay any attention to them. Still, I find the over-the-top hate for them amusing sometimes. On the other hand, I also don't get how anyone could still consider them great.
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You missed part of my point from my previous post. The game sold something like 3.5M copies in pre-orders/first day alone. Before anyone had even played it. So, yes, they really can push millions of copies, whether or not the game is terrible, based purely on the hype from previous Diablos + their marketing budget. That is also why I brought up the "on release" sales to begin with.
The sales continued later on, but the game was greatly improved later on as well, so at some point those later sales became more justified I suppose.
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So? It had a ton of pre-orders because of marketing and the fact that it was a sequel to a very popular game.
How would that support someone's opinion that the game was terrible at release?
How would that support someone's opinion that the game was terrible at release?
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Exactly, which was Cacheperl's point in the original message you replied to that kicked off this line of conversation. The game sold well (at least partially) thanks to marketing and other related factors, not its merits. So it sounds like we don't really even disagree anyway.
It doesn't. Although I think it fairly obviously was. But that wasn't the point.
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Well D3 combat, in it's raw mechanics ( audio and visual feedback) was objectively the best in genre. Also how they handled itemization/builds was better ( than before).
But it was too damn cartoonish, and out of place in the setting. And the story...bah!
But it was too damn cartoonish, and out of place in the setting. And the story...bah!
I'm expecting world of Diablo with kickstarters for free money and a product like Conan or any of the other dozens of survival games.
Blah. Tired of survival games.
Blah. Tired of survival games.
It's a pretty solid ARPG. It has a rather unique setting and a fun class system. I'd definitely recommend giving it a shot if you like ARPGs like Titan Quest (another solid ARPG made by the same team, though a bit older).
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In contrast, I found Titan Quest & Grim Dawn both terribly boring, but Path of Exile very fun in how fast-paced it is (not to mention the ever-evolving content). They are definitely two different styles of A-RPG, so to each their own.
Nevertheless, D3 was utterly forgettable - in large part due to how Blizzard turned the somewhat grim setting of D2 into a very mediocre WoW-like experience with horrible writing and limited skillchoice. It was such a disappointment after its years in development.
I shall forever remember D3 as the hundred million dollar game that had a demon acting like some James Bond villain comedy act as he mystically taunted you. "Ooh, you will never make it to that location, oh no. Here, fight my lieutenant. Here, fight my other lieutenant."
Nevertheless, D3 was utterly forgettable - in large part due to how Blizzard turned the somewhat grim setting of D2 into a very mediocre WoW-like experience with horrible writing and limited skillchoice. It was such a disappointment after its years in development.
I shall forever remember D3 as the hundred million dollar game that had a demon acting like some James Bond villain comedy act as he mystically taunted you. "Ooh, you will never make it to that location, oh no. Here, fight my lieutenant. Here, fight my other lieutenant."
The limited skill choice thing was my main problem with D3. I wasn't really expecting some kind of incredible story (it wasn't a D3 thing, I just don't expect much from ARPGs in general), so I wasn't really all that let down in that regard. I didn't really care much for the graphics either, since they seemed to go in more of a WoW direction (giant shoulderpads included) instead of a grittier, more realistic style like what D1 and D2 seemed to have.
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My point was that it's not one of the best selling games of all time from marketing alone which seemed to be the suggestion. It sold another 6.5 million copies over the course of the year after it was released. The best marketing in the world isn't moving that many copies unless there's actually something there that's appealing to the target audience.
It is so bad its playbase keeps rising with every league and Tencent bought it for over 100 million $ just recently… sure buddy. And that is without a brand name recognition like what Diablo/Blizzard had.
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Wow just wow, you didn't mention Starcraft 2 ... and it still has professional tournaments and it is more popular than Heroes of the Storm and Diablo 3 (atm).
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It is terrible when compared directly with Diablo 2. On its own it is an average game that can be fun for casual crowd that don't expect much.
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I found D3 decent. No more, no less. Played through it with various classes and that's it really. I would probably do the same with D4, unless they continue down their "social gaming" road where multiplayer is mandatory.
It might very well not be D4 though, as others have pointed out. It's simply "more stuff in the Diablo setting", which doesn't automatically translate to D4. Could be anything.
It might very well not be D4 though, as others have pointed out. It's simply "more stuff in the Diablo setting", which doesn't automatically translate to D4. Could be anything.
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Yeah, I found it enjoyable enough with low expectation. It's just something you can do when you are short on time. Although I will never understand people making a new character each season - it really doesn't change much season to season to level up a character to max each time.
