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October 1st, 2018, 16:14
TechRaptor looks back at Fallout 2 on its 20th anniversary.

Chris Avellone says he could “write a treatise” on why he thinks making Deathclaws peaceful and friendly was a fundamentally bad idea. “IMO, if you want to build a strong franchise, you focus on the elements that make it work, and regulate all the “wouldn’t it be interesting if…” ideas that don’t fit to Special Encounters. I’ve always hated aliens in Fallout, for example, and as I’ve often told Tim Cain, I was pretty fucking pissed off he thought including ghosts in Fallout was a good idea. It’s like you’re opening the goddamn door to the spirit world in a post-apoc game, and that’s a whole separate aesthetic detour in a franchise that’s already been placed in danger of losing its direction by being given to a bunch of newbs.”

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20 years and no remaster/hd/whatever rerelease , its sad especially when you see remasters everywhere nowadays. Tried a couple of times this and the first but the overall hud and things related to it were just too clunky and left them. I bet many would buy somekind of rerelease.
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October 1st, 2018, 16:56
I know many people disliked Fallout 2's humour and writing, compared to the first, but I really loved it; it's one of the few games I've played that genuinely made me laugh. I'd play it again if I hadn't already played it loads. However, I might be tempted by a remaster.
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October 1st, 2018, 17:02
Huzzah for one of my favourite games ever!
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October 1st, 2018, 17:03
Originally Posted by porcozaur View Post
20 years and no remaster/hd/whatever rerelease , its sad especially when you see remasters everywhere nowadays. Tried a couple of times this and the first but the overall hud and things related to it were just too clunky and left them. I bet many would buy somekind of rerelease.
Plenty of mods for this. The last one i used many years ago now both increased the resolution tremendously and made me able to zoom in and out with the mouse wheel (like in any modern RPG). Looked and and played excellent, no complaints. Haven't looked into mods for it in many years now, bet they're even better now.

I would buy a HD remaster though.. don't think we will see one because of the amount of work that needs to be put into e.g all the animations and all art has to be recreated, it would be like doing a new game. It's not like redoing a 3D game.
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October 1st, 2018, 17:16
Originally Posted by porcozaur View Post
20 years and no remaster/hd/whatever rerelease , its sad especially when you see remasters everywhere nowadays. Tried a couple of times this and the first but the overall hud and things related to it were just too clunky and left them. I bet many would buy somekind of rerelease.
A saw an early video of TWoC last month; a 3D remake that looks fairly ambitious.
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A saw an early video of TWoC last month; a 3D remake that looks fairly ambitious.
..and like all other mods who tries to do this there's a 0.1% chance it will every be finished.. sorry to say. it's more work than what people think and especially so for a small mod group who does work on their spare time and where people come and go over the years.
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I would buy a HD remaster though.. don't think we will see one because of the amount of work that needs to be put into e.g all the animations and all art has to be recreated, it would be like doing a new game. It's not like redoing a 3D game.
Yep and despite the flack Beamdog gets for their various remaster's of the infinity engine games they did share the details of how much work it requires to modernize them.

Take for example Icewind Dale 2 the source code is gone. Trent went on to explain how much work it would take to extract the files for the game to convert them.

Basically it can be done but it's to much of a hassle. Easier to work on another game.
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October 1st, 2018, 19:31
So much expertise went into Fallout 1-2 than no one ever will be able to remaster it in this "Investors Ruled Gaming World".
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October 1st, 2018, 19:49
Originally Posted by porcozaur View Post
20 years and no remaster/hd/whatever rerelease , its sad especially when you see remasters everywhere nowadays. Tried a couple of times this and the first but the overall hud and things related to it were just too clunky and left them. I bet many would buy somekind of rerelease.
yeah, a remaster with graphics divinity style would be majestic
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October 1st, 2018, 19:52
Im not really interested in the graphics, but in the interface and interactions and stuff. I would b very glad for something like the EE of BG or ID.
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October 1st, 2018, 20:09
One of the games that I replay frequently, and just went through this one again a few months ago. It stands the test of time, the world is fun to explore and challenge lurks around every corner.
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This game was awesome. Simply too damn fun. Sure, it was worse than the first one and some elements were not as good, but it is still damn incredible and I think it is only rivaled by New Vegas.
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October 1st, 2018, 23:08
One of the greatest games ever made. I actually think I enjoyed it even more than the first one. Sure, it was downright silly at times, but to me that's never a problem as long as it's fun silly. And to me FO2 hits the right spot.
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October 2nd, 2018, 00:51
I played this before I played 1 and found it a lot more fun than when I played the first (although I admit the first one was tighter, more consistent, and made more sense/was less random).

This missing pocket watch is one of my favourite quests of all time with all the different crazy options you can trigger
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It was one of the reasons I had no interest in FO3 - the Bethesda people couldn't stand the humour - which to me, took away the silly, pulpy, comic book feel of a Fallout game, more than the 3D FPS aspect did.

So I'm guessing there's no good FO1 or FO2 remakes with the FO3 tools? Too big and complicated? IWD 1.5 was done with NWN and, of course, Baldur's Gate 1 was done with NWN2.
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October 2nd, 2018, 01:31
I'll play contrarian here and say I was pretty disappointed with both, played them not long ago.
They both have perhaps the weakest main stories in any rpgs: pretty much text book example of poor storytelling. Go save your vault/village by finding water chip/Geck…oops, we forgot to actually slowly introduce player to npcs/setting ( so you don't really give damn about any of it).
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Best aspect of the game is quest design, which usually has at least 3 or 4 options.
Closest to it of modern games, are last two Shadowruns which imo, surpass it in nearly every aspect ( except perhaps when it comes to lore/setting).
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October 2nd, 2018, 01:42
Nostalgia always makes older games better.

Liked the games but I don't put them on pedestals just because.

They were fun for their time like other games I played in the past.

But I have never been keen on living in the past too much.
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October 3rd, 2018, 01:54
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..and like all other mods who tries to do this there's a 0.1% chance it will every be finished.. sorry to say. it's more work than what people think and especially so for a small mod group who does work on their spare time and where people come and go over the years.
I really wish you'd wipe those estimates off after pulling them out of your arse.
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