A new update for Shenmue 3 addresses the refund question and promises Steam keys at a later date for those that want them.
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Shenmue 3 - Update on PC Version
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Vindicator
Primordial Dragon
Oh, great! I only have to wait 1 FULL YEAR after release for a STEAM KEY to the game I Kickstarted... at which time it'll be selling for 10 bucks. I enjoyed the originals and was looking forward to this one, but I'm seriously considering a refund request.
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There was never a more overrated franchise than this one. I never understood what's good about a game with mediocre storytelling based around quick-time events. Even games like Heavy Rain or Detroit: Become Human are leaps and bounds ahead in writting quality. My guess is that it's because they're meant for the western market, unlike Shenmue, but in any case I'm not even sure how this game qualifies as a "RPG".
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Eh?
I've backed Shenmue 3 for a sole reason - it comes to PC. When something comes to PC by default, it's hard to imagine a serious developer cutting corners just because stupid inferior hardware can't do something so it has to go or has to be dumbed down.
I've seen articles and videos about previous two games and by no means anyone was pleased with everything. Those two games contained boring chores and design crimes. One of those is timecycle. Yes I'm saying timecycle in videogames is overrated bullshit.
The first game had time restricted quests but you couldn't move that bloody time, instead you should have left the game running and go for a coffee, beer, night stand, etc before returning home so you can finally get the quest. Dunno if the second changed that travesty.
Shenmue is important for something else. It made Yakuza franchise possible.
I didn't get an impression everyone and their mother loves Shenmue 1 and 2. Means, I don't agree those two games are overrated. Noone rated 'em 10/10 (hopefully).
Now for Heavy Rain I saw similar articles as for old Shenmues. Noone was totally pleased. Means? No buy for me.
For Detroit however I saw enough of praise thus I'm buying that one the very day it appears on PC.
If it means anything to you, while I'm Shenmue3 backer, there is no way I'm ever gonna buy it's predecessors. Mushroomscentered atrocities have no place on my PC.
I've backed Shenmue 3 for a sole reason - it comes to PC. When something comes to PC by default, it's hard to imagine a serious developer cutting corners just because stupid inferior hardware can't do something so it has to go or has to be dumbed down.
I've seen articles and videos about previous two games and by no means anyone was pleased with everything. Those two games contained boring chores and design crimes. One of those is timecycle. Yes I'm saying timecycle in videogames is overrated bullshit.
The first game had time restricted quests but you couldn't move that bloody time, instead you should have left the game running and go for a coffee, beer, night stand, etc before returning home so you can finally get the quest. Dunno if the second changed that travesty.
Shenmue is important for something else. It made Yakuza franchise possible.
I didn't get an impression everyone and their mother loves Shenmue 1 and 2. Means, I don't agree those two games are overrated. Noone rated 'em 10/10 (hopefully).
Now for Heavy Rain I saw similar articles as for old Shenmues. Noone was totally pleased. Means? No buy for me.
For Detroit however I saw enough of praise thus I'm buying that one the very day it appears on PC.
If it means anything to you, while I'm Shenmue3 backer, there is no way I'm ever gonna buy it's predecessors. Mushroomscentered atrocities have no place on my PC.
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I remember around.. 20 years ago? I'm not gonna look up on the wiki to pretend I know exactly when Shenmue 1 was released. Well, a friend invited me over to his home to check this awesome Shenmue game he got for his Dreamcast. It was two hours of utter snoozefest that no human being could deal with. The whole game wqas about going down a road taking arbitrary directions to end up at places where you met people and did quick time events, sometimes fighting, sometimes for no reason at all. Even the road directions were quick time events. And still he seemed to have fun. And it's not that I loved buttonmash games. Around that time I was enthralled with an obscure game I had just discovered called Planescape: Torment.
I never owned a Dreamcast, and I never visited that friend's home again. Honesty, I don't know if Shenmue 3 will be so much better, but I always get wary about these old glories wanting to cashgrab at their moderate past success. Same reason for I'm extremelly wary of Phoenix Point and Outer Worlds (though I'll say Outer Worlds is shaping to be the game that finally forces me to install EGS).
We'll see I guess, as always, tastes are personal and there's no right or wrong, if you like something you like it. I do take issue with being bad games get more credit than they deserve, and that has a very selfish explanation. Those games rob part of the pie from other more deserving games and studios, and in turn reduce their income and may prevent them from developing better games that are good on their own merit, rather than fed by nostalgia or rosy retrospection.
I never owned a Dreamcast, and I never visited that friend's home again. Honesty, I don't know if Shenmue 3 will be so much better, but I always get wary about these old glories wanting to cashgrab at their moderate past success. Same reason for I'm extremelly wary of Phoenix Point and Outer Worlds (though I'll say Outer Worlds is shaping to be the game that finally forces me to install EGS).
We'll see I guess, as always, tastes are personal and there's no right or wrong, if you like something you like it. I do take issue with being bad games get more credit than they deserve, and that has a very selfish explanation. Those games rob part of the pie from other more deserving games and studios, and in turn reduce their income and may prevent them from developing better games that are good on their own merit, rather than fed by nostalgia or rosy retrospection.
Carnifex
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Yeah, I'm not going to use Epic, so I'll likely look into getting a refund myself. And as for now, I believe I'll put a full stop on any future computing kick starter projects, I don't like this trend of forcing you to use a particular platform, and avoiding them all will solve that problem immediately. I'll continue to support the other art forms that I've also sponsored in the past.
I can understand why this practice (Epic exclusivity) might turn off some people who backed these games. Very bad decisions made by developers to do this, in my humble opinion. It is like spitting in the face of your fan base.
I would certainly never back a developer again that falsely advertised a steam release and then went to Epic, and the steam release either was delayed or never materialized.
That said, I still think kickstarter is an innovative thing and good for the game industry so I still consider backing games on kickstarter platforms. I guess I am lucky in that I have only had good experiences doing so, but I'm pretty selective and picky in choosing what games to back.
I would certainly never back a developer again that falsely advertised a steam release and then went to Epic, and the steam release either was delayed or never materialized.
That said, I still think kickstarter is an innovative thing and good for the game industry so I still consider backing games on kickstarter platforms. I guess I am lucky in that I have only had good experiences doing so, but I'm pretty selective and picky in choosing what games to back.
Vindicator
Primordial Dragon
Not sure who ever called Shenmue an RPG; it was a 3D open-world adventure/brawler game with minigames and collectibles. It was slow, and definitely not for everyone. I would describe it to younger gamers as a leisurely-paced Asian GTA without the cars, guns, music, cursing, humor, or hookers… You know, something for your grandparents to play.
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I can say that the Epic BS with exclusively of KS backed games has made me absolutely vow to never use this service. I got burned with Phoenix Point and if that was the only developer then all my ire would be directed there but this has become a reacuring issue across a number of games so Epic can take the blame.
As I have said elsewhere I prefer to own my games so if a game makes it to GOG then I will pick it up.
With Kickstarter well this bait and switch crap pretty much has screwed it for the rest of them for me now.
As I have said elsewhere I prefer to own my games so if a game makes it to GOG then I will pick it up.
With Kickstarter well this bait and switch crap pretty much has screwed it for the rest of them for me now.
Well I bought my first Epic game (Operencia: The Stolen Sun) because I essentially bought for -16 Euros (I got a 10 Euro first game discount on top of the summer discount) and while I won't go out of my way to use their platform (I also have games on Origin and Uplay, but never browse their storefronts) I would be willing to get something else there I really wanted.
Its obvious they're targeting Kickstarter games, since the developers never ask for all the money they actually need to develop a game. I fear this, along with the purchase of the traditionally succesful crowdfunding studios like InXile, Hairbrained Schemes, and Obsidian will mark the end of crowdfunding for mid-sized projects. Small indies I think can still use Kickstarter as a jumpstarter, since its usually about one of two people who are often willing to work long months without a salary. But I can see the bad will generated by recent kickstarter projects putting people off of bigger projects.
Personally I am much more hesitant to crowdfund and always ask myself: Is this a game that I absolutely want to see made? Is the minimum funding asked for the price I'd pay for the game? Would I be able to accept it without too much grief if the project fails and I lose my money? Usually a no to any of these questions means a no for crowdfunding for me.
Its obvious they're targeting Kickstarter games, since the developers never ask for all the money they actually need to develop a game. I fear this, along with the purchase of the traditionally succesful crowdfunding studios like InXile, Hairbrained Schemes, and Obsidian will mark the end of crowdfunding for mid-sized projects. Small indies I think can still use Kickstarter as a jumpstarter, since its usually about one of two people who are often willing to work long months without a salary. But I can see the bad will generated by recent kickstarter projects putting people off of bigger projects.
Personally I am much more hesitant to crowdfund and always ask myself: Is this a game that I absolutely want to see made? Is the minimum funding asked for the price I'd pay for the game? Would I be able to accept it without too much grief if the project fails and I lose my money? Usually a no to any of these questions means a no for crowdfunding for me.
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Requirements revealed:
https://www.vg247.com/2019/07/04/shenmue-3-pc-minimum-and-recommended-specs/
https://www.vg247.com/2019/07/04/shenmue-3-pc-minimum-and-recommended-specs/
i7 and 16Gb of RAM recommended… ROTFL
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A sort of an update… It's pushed back for a day (at least for me) and epic store now says "20/nov/2019".
Some gaming sites started to write a review in progress but so far all are playstation reviews.
Some gaming sites started to write a review in progress but so far all are playstation reviews.
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Carnifex
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I kicked in for this one, but won't be touching it until it's available on either great old games or Steam.
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A note for all KS backers, find final shenmue survey in your mailbox then go to the survey link, the Epic Store key is in there.
Sorry, didn't know before about this, just redeemed the key and it's installing. Probably won't play it before the weekend because I'm still plodding through RDR2.
Sorry, didn't know before about this, just redeemed the key and it's installing. Probably won't play it before the weekend because I'm still plodding through RDR2.
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