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January 19th, 2022, 23:33
Like previous year I present you the long list of released games from our database. The goal is to get the right games in the top 30, because that is the number we'll use for the short list to vote on.
Our editors had a first go already

The list is ordered by h-index, which could be seen as an indication of how often the game was discussed in our forums. Next to that there are also the comments and posts given for further sorting. If you see some unexpected numbers at some point, it is because games have already been manually moved in the list.
IDTitleNews PostsCommentsRatioh-index
1Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous104244523.328
2Solasta: Crown of the Magister116168314.424
3Encased807509.315
4Knights of the Chalice II2849016.913
5Mechajammer615208.412
6King's Bounty II2530211.611
7Gamedec512414.610
8ATOM RPG: Trudograd221978.69
9Biomutant352707.59
10Tortured Hearts1336926.48
11Werewolf: The Apocalypse - Earthblood2111158
12Edge Of Eternity882312.68
13Wildermyth171256.97
14Disciples: Liberation141006.77
15Gloomhaven221466.37
16Vagrus: The Riven Realms781912.47
17The Ascent171246.96
18Urtuk: The Desolation12685.25
19Tales of Arise15744.65
20The Chronicles Of Myrtana: Archolos68812.64
21The Legend of Heroes: Trails of Cold Steel IV7475.94
22Griftlands7465.84
23Dungeon Encounters10615.54
24Medieval Dynasty8444.94
25Ruined King: A League of Legends Story9414.14
26Dark Deity31231
27Chernobylite10383.54
28NieR Replicant™ ver.1.22474487139…7283.54
29HellSign11292.44
30Drox Operative 217311.74
31Legends of Ellaria621812.97
32Dungeons & Dragons: Dark Alliance710913.65
33Black Legend5345.74
34Himeko Sutori 10433.94
35Hobo Tough Life38220.53
36Ambermoon Remake34110.23
37Might is Right3348.53
38Divided Reigns44083
39Dead Age 26486.93
40Geneforge 1 - Mutagen5376.23
41Outriders53053
42DYSMANTLE5294.83
43The Protagonist: EX-15233.83
44Blacksmith of the Sand Kingdom3153.83
45Tainted Grail: Conquest6233.33
46Astria Ascending7263.23
47Sands of Salzaar9242.43
48Nioh 210242.23
49The Forgotten City13271.93
50Jupiter Hell12241.83
51UFO2: Extraterrestrials2299.72
52This Land Is My Land2289.32
53Beyond Mankind: The Awakening3276.82
54Loop Hero5406.72
55The Majesti2165.32
56Outcast in Mars2144.72
57Trials of Fire3184.52
58Mercenaries Blaze2134.32
59Tails of Iron5223.72
60Arkham Horror: Mother's Embrace3143.52
61Siralim Ultimate3143.52
62Neon District: Season One2103.32
63Persona 5 Strikers6223.12
64Legend of Mana51832
65Utawarerumono: Prelude to the Fallen51832
66Dust to the End4142.82
67Aluna: Sentinel of the Shards4122.42
68Backbone272.32
69The Life and Suffering of Sir Brante392.22
70Aragami 23822
71Shards of Feyra3822
72Saviors of Sapphire Wings2622
73Ultimate ADOM - Caverns of Chaos2622
74UnDungeon371.82
75Viking Vengeance371.82
76Eastward5101.72
77SaGa Frontier Remastered5101.72
78Avalom: Ancestral Heroes7111.42
79Yaga6101.42
80Ys IX: Monstrum Nox571.22
81Disjunction5612
82Scarlet Nexus13100.72
83Legend of Keepers1070.62
84Age of Fear 4: The Iron Killer138191
85Baldur's Gate: Dark Alliance126131
86Blade of Darkness124121
87The Curse of Feldar Vale11891
88BRAVELY DEFAULT II2227.31
89Blood Bond - Into the Shroud2144.71
90Final Fantasy Remaster3184.51
91Final Fantasy III Remaster21241
92Inferno - Beyond the 7th Circle21241
93Battle for Esturia1841
94Karma1841
95E.X.P.L.O.R.: A New World173.51
96Vampirem1631
97Yakuza 6: The Song of Life1631
98Aron's Adventure152.51
99Conqueror 940 AD272.31
100Death's Gambit: Afterlife272.31
101The Vale: Shadow of the Crown392.21
102Balrog2621
103Der Geisterjäger1421
104King of Seas1421
105Spirit of Europe - Origins1421
106Vampires Dawn 3 - The Crimson Realm1421
107Wolfstride251.71
108Baldo: The Guardian Owls131.51
109Sorcerous131.51
110The Dawning Clocks Of Time131.51
111Voice of Cards: The Isle Dragon Roars131.51
112Star Dynasties241.31
113Eldest Souls3411
114Shin Megami Tensei III Nocturne HD Remaster3411
115Atelier Ryza 2: Lost Legends & the Secret Fairy2311
116Curious Expedition 22311
117Wheel of Fate2311
118Shattered - Tale of the Forgotten King330.81
119Wytchwood330.81
120Dreamscaper320.51
121Blackout: The Darkest Night110.51
122Gods Will Fall110.51
123Hindsight 20/20110.51
124Faye/Sleepwalker210.31
125Death's Door510.21
126Kena: Bridge of Spirits310.21
127Anima: The Reign of Darkness1000
128Arboria1000
129Black Book2000
130Cris Tales4000
131Everhood3000
132Final Fantasy II Remaster0000
133Final Fantasy IV Remaster0000
134Final Fantasy V Pixel Remaster1000
135Fuga: Melodies of Steel1000
136GRIME1000
137Monster Hunter Stories 2: Wings of Ruin5000
138Moon: Remix RPG Adventure1000
139Ocean's Heart5000
140Osteoblasts1000
141Pecaminosa - A Pixel Noir Game2000
142Rise Eterna2000
143Serin Fate1000
144Strike Team Gladius1000
145Sword and Fairy 71000
146Sword of the Necromancer4000
147The Legend of Heroes: Hajimari no Kiseki0000

Let us know what you think should be in the top 30 of this list.
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January 19th, 2022, 23:53
Knights of the Chalice 2 hasn't released yet, it's still only available to kickstarter backers. So should be on the anticipated list rather than the GOTY list.

Dark Deity looks really out of place at 26, an anomaly of the rating system employed.

For starters I'd replace those 2 with Geneforge 1 - Mutagen, it might not have generated much chatter, but vogel fans are pretty dedicated & you might have some people looking for that vote specifically. And Nioh 2, there's bound to be someone who'd probably vote for that, or, if not Nioh 2 then Loop Hero had some people actually play it & so might be on their voting priority. Actually, you could probably ditch Hellsign and put all 3 in the top 30.
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January 20th, 2022, 00:08
Originally Posted by lackblogger View Post
Dark Deity looks really out of place at 26, an anomaly of the rating system employed.
As the original post states:
If you see some unexpected numbers at some point, it is because games have already been manually moved in the list.
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January 20th, 2022, 00:09
Dark Deity is higher ranked, because it is in the RPGWatch Curator list of 2021.
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January 20th, 2022, 00:13
I've not played many games of that list actually, so for me it's just these 2, with the potential for encased once I start playing it

Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous
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January 20th, 2022, 00:20
Originally Posted by Myrthos View Post
As the original post states:
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Dark Deity is higher ranked, because it is in the RPGWatch Curator list of 2021.
Ah, ok, these two posts have helped me understand what's happened there.
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Tainted Grail: Conquest and Yakuza 6 would be in my top 30.
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January 21st, 2022, 20:45
The big question as in past years is if something not in the top 30 should be replaced by something below it.

Here are my opinions.

4. Knights of the Chalice 2 This one isn't released on Steam or GoG yet, so I think it hasn't had the exposure it deserves. It should be on next year's GOTY voting.

16. Legends of Ellaria I don't think this one should be on the list. Its critical reception isn't particullarly good and I had to look it up to remember it. I doubt hardly anyone here has played it.

19.Dark Alliance This really isn't an rpg as I understand it, and its also not supposed to be good.

25.Black Legend This one is on my wishlist, but suffers the same problems as Legends of Ellaria.

29Himeko Satori same problems as 16&25

So that means I would replace 5 games. I haven't played any game below 30.

I might include Persona 5 as its a big release even if its a jrpg. I also think the Forgotten City might be a good choice its a CRPG and has gotten good exposure. Its also on the Microsoft game pass, so I think a number of voters might have played it.
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I might include Persona 5 as its a big release even if its a jrpg.
Do you mean Persona 5 Strikers? Because Persona 5 (and the Royal version) were both released before 2021. It's also not on PC, if that matters. Strikers isn't really a JRPG.
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January 22nd, 2022, 13:00
I need to point out that Diablo II: Resurrected is not in the list because we used the original game as reference in our news, as we sometimes do with remasters.

I personally don't care much for that game and it's a remaster, but I'm mentioning it in case others feel it belongs to the short list. After all, we have FF remasters in that list already, so it's only fair.

The same goes with Mass Effect: Legendary Edition. Again, I'm fine without it (haven't bought it), it's only to bring it to other's attention.
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Originally Posted by JFarrell71 View Post
Do you mean Persona 5 Strikers? Because Persona 5 (and the Royal version) were both released before 2021. It's also not on PC, if that matters. Strikers isn't really a JRPG.
I do meen Strikers, which I haven't played. I did play Persona 4, and I would consider it a JRPG, even if its an unusual one.
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I do meen Strikers, which I haven't played. I did play Persona 4, and I would consider it a JRPG, even if its an unusual one.
Persona 4 (and 3, and 5) are absolutely JRPGs, and some of the best around.

Strikers, however, is something different. It's a musou game, a Dynasty Warriors with the Persona 5 characters. It has a substantial story but it's more like a visual novel. You may as well put Ultimax on there too (a Persona 1 on 1 fighting game)
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January 23rd, 2022, 05:04
Geneforge 1 - Mutagen should be in the top 30 over some of these others. I guess the Spiderweb games have a problem with this algorithm in that there is no "hype machine" coming from Jeff Vogel - they don't get a lot of news posts because there's no news.
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I think it is a tough beat for games like Mechajammer (indie/lacking polish) that released in December. Only the really early adopters would of had a chance to play it - most owners would be waiting for a few more patches before they jump in. I guess it is good that you are doing the vote at the end of Jan though.

I think it is a bit of a given who is going to win this year though
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Geneforge 1 - Mutagen should be in the top 30 over some of these others. I guess the Spiderweb games have a problem with this algorithm in that there is no "hype machine" coming from Jeff Vogel - they don't get a lot of news posts because there's no news.
I don't agree, not because I don't like Spiderweb games, but because it's a barely different re-release of a much older game.
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I don't agree, not because I don't like Spiderweb games, but because it's a barely different re-release of a much older game.
I agree that "remasters" and "enhanced editions" and that sort of thing shouldn't be in the voting lists, but Spiderweb's stuff is more along the lines of a "remake" and I'm pretty sure remakes have historically been allowed. If they aren't, then NieR Replicant (in the top 30) should also be removed (it might even be closer to a remaster itself…)
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I don't see why both proper remasters or remakes shouldn't be allowed. I think the only ones that should be excluded should be repacks i.e. where the game gets bundled together with DLC as a "Legendary edition" or patched and called a "Directors cut". If someone completly remasters the graphics like Wasteland Remastered it should be on the list. Things like Skyrim Legendary/Special/Anniversary edition would be excluded. Just upscaling textures would be excluded but doing completely new textures would be okay in my book.
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Well, without any wish to make it more complicated, it's true that when I see titles like Mechajammer, FF remasters and Pathfinder sitting next to one another in the same list, I can't help but think that it would be fair to have a few categories. Their respective budgets and team sizes differ by several orders of magnitude.

On the other hand, it's hard to find even 2 categories that would have enough titles in them. Remaster vs others? "Indie" - whatever that is, vs others? Or "AA+" vs others?
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Originally Posted by JFarrell71 View Post
I don't agree, not because I don't like Spiderweb games, but because it's a barely different re-release of a much older game.
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Well, without any wish to make it more complicated, it's true that when I see titles like Mechajammer, FF remasters and Pathfinder sitting next to one another in the same list, I can't help but think that it would be fair to have a few categories. Their respective budgets and team sizes differ by several orders of magnitude.

On the other hand, it's hard to find even 2 categories that would have enough titles in them. Remaster vs others? "Indie" - whatever that is, vs others? Or "AA+" vs others?
The RPGWatch vote has always been quite esoteric and the definitive rules are deliberately vague. The essence of it is that it is supposed to reflect whichever games the members have most liked this year within the general banner of the PC RPG sphere of influence.

As such, in previous years you've had things like X-Com always doing very well, even though X-Com isn't necessarily on most people's mind as RPG content, there's just a very large contingent here that view it as within the PC RPG sphere of influence. So it's a kind-of site-wide democratic exception to the rule.

JRPGs and a lot of action RPGs often don't feature purely because they are console exclusives.

Remakes and remasters often feature based, once again, on their site-wide democratic exception to the rule. So, for example, Beamdog's Enhanced Editions are very much acceptable, in the same way Vogel's remakes are, and so are old console games getting their first PC port, but simple re-issues with minor enhancements are usually passed over.

It's quite a nuanced process and ruleset that's more about site-experience than words set in stone.
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The RPGWatch vote has always been quite esoteric and the definitive rules are deliberately vague. The essence of it is that it is supposed to reflect whichever games the members have most liked this year within the general banner of the PC RPG sphere of influence.



As such, in previous years you've had things like X-Com always doing very well, even though X-Com isn't necessarily on most people's mind as RPG content, there's just a very large contingent here that view it as within the PC RPG sphere of influence. So it's a kind-of site-wide democratic exception to the rule.



JRPGs and a lot of action RPGs often don't feature purely because they are console exclusives.



Remakes and remasters often feature based, once again, on their site-wide democratic exception to the rule. So, for example, Beamdog's Enhanced Editions are very much acceptable, in the same way Vogel's remakes are, and so are old console games getting their first PC port, but simple re-issues with minor enhancements are usually passed over.



It's quite a nuanced process and ruleset that's more about site-experience than words set in stone.
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