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December 16th, 2020, 21:10
All on that on me? Sorry I won't read the detail, the topic is boring.

A tip ignore any single of my posts, you'll avoid lost my time, for your time it's your problem.

Gee.

EDIT: To be clear you can comment my posts as much you want, but you just comment myself, I don't want lost my time with your opinion on myself, be sure that mine on yourself is at top bottom, but you don't need care as much I don't care of your opinion on myself.
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December 16th, 2020, 23:31
@Dasale I hate spelling and grammar nazis as much as the next guy, but you really should check out something like this:

https://www.grammarly.com/

For a few days rather than rely on typing words into google translate and hoping it makes sense to most people.

I think you make a lot of excellent posts but just as many I can't even begin to understand & I've no doubt you end up in more cross-wires than cross-opinions as a result.
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December 16th, 2020, 23:42
Installed, seeing what it changes, it won't change anything in my opinion. Let say I'll give it a try if I can bear its pub harassment for more than a few minutes.

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So you can't read that:
Installed, seeing what it changes, it won't change anything in my opinion. Let say I'll give a try if I can ber its pub harassment more than few minutes.

I can't even quote the difference between the 2 versions. :-)
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December 17th, 2020, 11:21
Originally Posted by Dasale View Post
Installed, seeing what it changes, it won't change anything in my opinion. Let say I'll give it a try if I can bear its pub harassment for more than a few minutes.

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Installed, seeing what it changes, it won't change anything in my opinion. Let say I'll give a try if I can ber its pub harassment more than few minutes.

I can't even quote the difference between the 2 versions. :-)
Well, to be fair, your posts are usually a lot longer than 1 line. And, also to be fair, you could first-up try one of your actual posts that have been misunderstood. :-)
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December 18th, 2020, 21:43
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Well, to be fair, your posts are usually a lot longer than 1 line. And, also to be fair, you could first-up try one of your actual posts that have been misunderstood. :-)
100% agree, people don't understand my post because they are too long (and not that well structured) much more than my poor English or because some grammar Nazi who can't read any text with errors in it (which is a problem that can be cured).

No surprise for me, that's the new generations not reading anymore, or a handful of comics. Despite my 60 years old, when I was young, the disaster was already here. And even myself, I was reading a lot more than almost any single friend, still, I was on that a serious dumbing down compared to generations a bit older, that never had television, widespread comics, entertainment industries harassment.

So yeah target posts longuer than two line is a serious ambition nowadays.
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December 18th, 2020, 22:27
Yes, I agree with a lot of that, though I have a conflicting opinion on the causes and factors you ascribe to the problem.

Before debating that though, I'll try and help with the paragraphs. Firstly, I'll quote you post:

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100% agree, people don't understand my post because they are too long (and not that well structured) much more than my poor English or because some grammar Nazi who can't read any text with errors in it (which is a problem that can be cured).

No surprise for me, that's the new generations not reading anymore, or a handful of comics. Despite my 60 years old, when I was young, the disaster was already here. And even myself, I was reading a lot more than almost any single friend, still, I was on that a serious dumbing down compared to generations a bit older, that never had television, widespread comics, entertainment industries harassment.

So yeah target posts longuer than two line is a serious ambition nowadays.
And now requote it in a way that is, hopefully, more understandable to the general reader and should help you see where the minor errors are creeping in:

Originally Posted by Dasale View Post
100% agree, people don't understand my posts because they are too long (and not that well structured) much more than they have problems with my poor English or because they're some grammar Nazi who can't read any text with errors in it (which is a problem that can be cured).

No surprise for me, that's the new generations not reading anymore, or, when they do, it's just a handful of comics. I'm 60 years old, when I was young, the coming disaster was already in motion. And even myself, even though I was reading a lot more than almost any single friend, still, I was on [removed word] a serious dumbing down compared to generations a bit older, generations that never had television, widespread comics or entertainment industry harassment.

So yeah, targeting posters who post more than two lines is a common problem nowadays.
As you can see, your posts often start out perfectly fine, with very little issue and are quite easy to read and 'fill in the gaps'. This is why people respond to you, because you start out making a lot of sense.

However, you'll notice that as the post progresses there's ever more things that are going wrong, until, by the end of the post, the reader is having to add in and/or remove and/or translate almost the entire sentence.

Each time you miss a word, use a wrong or slightly inaccurate word, get the plurals wrong, etc, you increase the chance of the reader getting the wrong end of the stick, like the old classic game of Chinese Whispers (or whatever it's called nowadays).

Regarding the point you made, I'll reply using the second, edited quote in a different post.
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December 18th, 2020, 22:44
Originally Posted by Dasale View Post
100% agree, people don't understand my posts because they are too long (and not that well structured) much more than they have problems with my poor English or because they're some grammar Nazi who can't read any text with errors in it (which is a problem that can be cured).

No surprise for me, that's the new generations not reading anymore, or, when they do, it's just a handful of comics. I'm 60 years old, when I was young, the coming disaster was already in motion. And even myself, even though I was reading a lot more than almost any single friend, still, I was on [removed word] a serious dumbing down compared to generations a bit older, generations that never had television, widespread comics or entertainment industry harassment.

So yeah, targeting posters who post more than two lines is a common problem nowadays.
Age has nothing to do with it, and the people of past generations actually had much worse literacy than people today. Even just 60 years ago you could still find people who were proud of the fact that they couldn't read - because they were too busy doing real things, like making armchairs or catching fish.

Reading originated as a middle-class pursuit, in the main, and literacy for the masses only became a thing because the middle-class promoted it as a societal virtue. This was along with things like education generally and all that good stuff. Pretty much everyone nowadays is far more literate than they ever were, generally speaking.

Just because someone can read though, it doesn't mean they are suddenly intelligent enough to understand everything that is written. I myself wouldn't understand a word of a specialised legal document, for example. I wouldn't be able to understand a French book, even though I could read aloud all the words [and read them out in a phonetically incorrect way].

When we make posts we just hope that other person is 'on the same level' as us in the generality of what we're saying. Because of the internet this is harder, because we naturally 'level' to the people we are regularly around. To suddenly be introduced to 6 billion potential 'levels', which is what you do when you go on-line, vastly increases the odds of the person you're speaking to not being on your level.

Regarding the length of posts, this was then a factor when Smart Phones emerged into the internet landscape. The mobile phone screen is small. In order for someone on a mobile phone to read this post they'll have to scroll for bloody hours, and, if they want to reply with an equally long post, they'll have to spend hours clicking around on the tiny phone keypad with their big fat fingers.

So we now have the 'Twitter' generation. The mobile phone generation. The one-line quip and move-on generation. People who are simply 'on a different level' than people who are used to crouching over a desktop keyboard and rattling off multiple paragraphs that barely infringe a tenth of their monitor space.
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December 19th, 2020, 13:12
For sure age has nothing to do with the ability to read long texts, but generations have a lot of influence on it. It's not that all people of a generation read more than all people of another generation, it's that among people reading more, one generation will have read a lot more than another generation, and will have read a lot more long text without any graphic than another generation.

There's no complex reasoning behind it, just simple facts. No video games, no TV, no comics, no internet, no mobiles, watch movies is necessarily a rare organized event. This lets not much, sport, gardening, talking with people, DIY, cooking, a few more. None of those activities replace reading, paper diaries with long texts, books with even more text.

Argue some people were proud to not know read is a bit funny, I don't know from what country you are, but in mine even 60 years ago, that's plain wrong. But it's not the point, the point is there are people since young that are more inclined to cerebral activities, and more interested in realms/stories/dreams/more. There's perhaps more of them for younger generations, but for the older generations, they only had books and diaries so long texts. Believe it set up the same reading ability, ease, and enjoyment for those very different generations is nonsense, but for a tiny minority of mostly genius people.

There's the first schism, before TV and mass media, I skip older evolutions as books for elite versus books for the masses, and more. There's no match, even if it allowed more people interested in cerebral activities, it's still people reading a lot less because doing a lot of activities that are in competition with reading long texts.

Then came the Internet and mass internet. There's clearly a huge evolution, with a lot of people reading a lot more, but this phase didn't last long as the Internet becomes quickly very graphics and then video ready. Still, you have people reading a lot more, but nothing related to reading books, and one more activity in competition with reading really long texts without graphic supports, books. No proof, but despite reading a lot more, it's still the newer generation reading a lot less wide texts without any graphic support.

Then came youtube, mobiles, and social media. A part of it is involving reading more, but youtube lowered a lot of reading amount for many people replacing text reviews with youtube reviews and many more examples of long text reading replaced by something else (tutorial, learning, more). Moreover, those newer generations had to endure even more through social media pushing to short texts, even forums where posts more than 3 lines can generate complaints and aggressivity as if ignore is so difficult.

Even in work, there's been a huge evolution, and I see coming days where technical documentation will need to include graphics and many visual tricks to avoid that experts face walls of texts, and at a point, the video will be required too.

Now formations and information can't be texts and need include many graphics if not pure video, even if those graphics are totally irrelevant or stupidly superficial. Technical isn't yet fully involved but already started to register and manage the forced change. And I would say that a day or another, forums too will have to evolve to that way, and not just stick to whining when posts have more than two lines.
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December 19th, 2020, 13:29
Originally Posted by lackblogger View Post
Before debating that though, I'll try and help with the paragraphs. Firstly, I'll quote you post:
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And now requote it in a way that is, hopefully, more understandable to the general reader and should help you see where the minor errors are creeping in:
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For me, a non-English reader, your example makes no sense, I only see two versions of the same post.

Much more interesting would be a post translated with many counter senses that make sense because of the bad English, good luck.

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For me the points are:
- Too long texts, at least in the context of a forum post, but also in the context of modern generations, that changed the definition of what is acceptable or not, by shifting it to "more than 2 lines without images" is unacceptable.
- The very bad English exhaust many people making them unable to read such long posts.
- I often exploit deeply shifted points of view, many people can't read them properly, and can only see nonsense, even more in a context of bad English.
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