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July 18th, 2018, 00:25
Originally Posted by Darth Tagnan View Post
I think it's extremely obvious who borrowed more and who created more - but why is it important that we agree?

It's not important to me.
No, I'm trying to understand your point.
I don't care either way to be honest, in part because I don't actually know who did what more, but I am trying to understand your point of view.

At what point is the borrowing 'too' much to be deemed 'creating'?

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July 18th, 2018, 01:27
Originally Posted by Couchpotato View Post
The final slap in the face was when everything Non-Disney was labeled non-canonical.
That means Splinter of the Mind's Eye and the abomination are stricken from the record, right?
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July 18th, 2018, 01:34
Originally Posted by Zloth View Post
the abomination are stricken from the record, right?
Not relevant to the topic as it was a holiday special. I was referring to all books and comics before Disney purchased Lucaus Films, and the right to all Star War products.

Everything was rebooted that included comics and books.
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July 18th, 2018, 08:46
Originally Posted by Pladio View Post
No, I'm trying to understand your point.
I don't care either way to be honest, in part because I don't actually know who did what more, but I am trying to understand your point of view.

At what point is the borrowing 'too' much to be deemed 'creating'?

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I don't think you will ever learn to understand my point of view as long as you think in terms of black and white.

That's like a cube understanding a sphere.

Also, I've never said Lucas didn't create anything. You're trying to put things into little boxes instead of thinking in terms of reality - which is never that simple.

What I'm saying is that Lucas took very liberally from multiple sources - which is something he's talked about himself, so it's not like it's a secret.

He's also been very upfront about the kind of movie Star Wars was supposed to be, which is sort of a Flash Gordon matinee, mostly for kids.

He didn't set out to create a vast world, create his own languages or go into minute detail about the history and creation of life within his own mythology.

He DID do some of that for the prequels - and I think we all know how well that went, and it serves as an excellent demonstration of how little work was actually poured into the details for the original creation.

The Star Wars universe - as it exists today - is made by hundreds, if not thousands of people.

Middle-Earth, by Tolkien, was created by… Tolkien. Alone - by himself, and for himself. He spent his ENTIRE life creating that world.

The Hobbit was something he did on the side, mostly for his son. Lord of the Rings was written largely by request from the passionate fans and his publisher.

So, the books aren't really his "main creation" - they're just set in the world he created.

There's no magical definition that can set in stone explaining why I think Tolkien and his world is worth paying attention to in terms of canon. That's something I've decided for myself.

I can't decide FOR you - or for Lucky Day that Lucas and Tolkien did different things - and put in vastly different amounts of work in their creation.

Also, I'm talking about the world and the lore - NOT the actual movie-making process. The reason Star Wars worked so well, in my opinion - was because of the spectacle of the movie - and the FX revolution that came with it. Something a lot of people were involved with - but Lucas definitely deserves some credit for that.

All I can do is state my opinion and clarify when people accuse me of saying something that I absolutely didn't say.

I did NOT say Tolkien was 100% original in everything he did - or that he wasn't inspired. I did NOT say Lucas stole 100% of everything he did - or that he didn't create anything.

I happen to love both Star Wars and Lord of the Rings - but for very different reasons.

My point here is that I care about LotR in terms of the details and the history - where I don't really care about Star Wars in that same way.
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July 18th, 2018, 11:02
Originally Posted by Lucky Day View Post
As the head of the Anglo Saxon department at Oxford, Tolkien was inspired by tons of source material he had around him. i.e. Gandolf is Merlin, and a type of Christ, ork is an Anglo-Saxon spelling of ogre and take a look at this passage from the Volsunga Saga

The Hobbit itself is a retelling of Seigfreid's slaying of the dragon Fafnir
It's a little bit more difficult than that, but yes, it could be boiled down to that, more or less, if you leave everything around that out (Elves, for example, or Dwarves, or the Hobbit himself being a very small being, and the Dragon being killed by an arrow, the death of Fafnir is mirrored rather in The Silmarillion).

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I did NOT say Tolkien was 100% original in everything he did - or that he wasn't inspired. I did NOT say Lucas stole 100% of everything he did - or that he didn't create anything.
Both, Lucas & Tolkien, are similar in so far as they are both drawing from the same pool of myths. With Lucas using more asian myths.
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July 18th, 2018, 11:12
Originally Posted by Couchpotato View Post
Never even heard of Valérian and Laureline until you talked about the movie a few years back Joxer. I bought it for ten dollars at local Walmart, and only watched it once.
Well, that'y the typical cultural problem between the U.S. and Europe : Everyone in comics here knows the sci-fi Valerian comics. Everyone here knows Asterix. Everyone here knows Lucky Luke. Everyone here knows Tintin. Everyone here knows the Marsupilami.

There is so much in European comics that the world outside - especially the U.S. doesn't know.

And instead, giant U.S. media companies are flooding us Europeans with Avengers stuff. Yuck.

We Europeans just have no "superhero comics" culture. To us, superhero comics were just a few other comics among our own rich comics culture, which was fuelled by French and Belgian artists.

But the U.S. wants us to forget that. By flooding us with other stuff.
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July 18th, 2018, 14:09
The U.S. doesn't want you to forget anything. The U.S. isn't a person. If the film studios are flooding Europe with other stuff, its because that other stuff is selling and is profitable for them to export to Europe.
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