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June 30th, 2018, 01:05
Well, I don't know whether the rumour is true or not but I hope there will be no DLC for Kingmaker.

Extra chapter was added as a part of kickstarter goal, so I'm hoping it will be very difficult to cut off the content from the existing content to make DLC, because that's a real scum act.

Also, Owlcat is new and don't have any track record - would publisher really take a risk to slice off content to make DLC when they aren't even sure how well Kingmaker will sell at this point?

Please just concentrate on delivering best product as possible that's my hope!!

Edit: also, this is at very late stage of game development (should be close to release!!) so I hope publisher input is minimal.
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June 30th, 2018, 01:40
I wouldn't be too worried. This game is crowdfunded and in late development, so Deep Silver likely has no control unless Owlcat needed additional funds.
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June 30th, 2018, 03:18
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Does it really matter if it's sold in-game or out? It's still charging money for cosmetics.
Actually, that armor set provided a bonus to XP, so it wasn't just cosmetic. It's a silly argument though. If you want to refer to every such DLC as microtransactions then be my guest.

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I'm not going to debate whether Mass Effect 3 was worse or not, but Bioware was upfront months in advance that there would be day one DLC. Piranha Bytes dishonestly tried to pass off their cut content as being new, and when people found out it was always accessible using the console, they removed it from the game.
That's blantantly false, as the DLC for Risen 2 was also announced months in advance.

The only difference between those two examples is that much of the code (sans voiceovers) for PB's day 1 DLC was included in the download of the main game. I don't see how that somehow makes it more of a money grab than what Bioware did. Bioware was just more clever about how they went about it. At least the DLC for Risen 2 was completely non-essential content though, and, unlike the day 1 DLC for Mass Effect 2&3, you didn't feel like you were missing out on part of the story if you didn't have it.
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June 30th, 2018, 03:55
That's blantantly false, as the DLC for Risen 2 was also announced months in advance.
Sure they announced DLC, but not that it was finished and already present in the files.

The only difference between those two examples is that much of the code (sans voiceovers) for PB's day 1 DLC was included in the download of the main game. I don't see how that somehow makes it more of a money grab than what Bioware did.
Because they tried to obscure the fact that it was cut content, and when they got exposed they punished players by removing the command console. Bioware didn't deceive anyone by releasing their DLC on day one, as everyone already knew in advance.

I don't like defending Bioware, but there is a clear moral distinction between what they did and Piranha Bytes did. At the end of the day they're both scummy.
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June 30th, 2018, 03:58
BREAKING NEWS: Steam page is up! Targeting August release date!!!

https://owlcatgames.com/forums/showt…ned-for-August

https://store.steampowered.com/app/6…der_Kingmaker/

Can someone please post this as a newsbit!!! @Silver @HiddenX ??
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June 30th, 2018, 04:05
Thanks for that update @purpleblob. My evil reign shall commence soon.
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June 30th, 2018, 04:07
I'm currently screaming in excitement XD Might take a few days off work to get some Kingmaker goodness.
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June 30th, 2018, 04:08
Only in Russia

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June 30th, 2018, 04:12
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Only in Russia

A little genetic experimentation should be able to create an owlcat.

So off to my lab I go come Igor we have much to do.
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June 30th, 2018, 04:15
There's owlbear in game
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June 30th, 2018, 04:16
Man, those graphics don't look so hot.

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June 30th, 2018, 04:18
Then go play PoE2 I'm going to have a freaking awesome time playing Kingmaker
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June 30th, 2018, 04:22
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There's owlbear in game
It looks like this?



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Then go play PoE2 I'm going to have a freaking awesome time playing Kingmaker
Looks good to me since this game was made on a much smaller budget then PoE.

PoE - $3,986,929
KingMaker - $909,057
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June 30th, 2018, 04:25
It's all the cheap 3D rendering. They would of been better off going 2.5d on their budget.
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June 30th, 2018, 04:32
Well they could have combined both but it would end up something like Xenonauts.



Or a modern Fallout RPG.

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June 30th, 2018, 04:37
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Sure they announced DLC, but not that it was finished and already present in the files.
It was day 1 DLC so of course it was finished. Just like Bioware's DLC was already finished. Again, the only difference was that PB's day 1 DLC was part of the main game download. That's literally the only difference.

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Because they tried to obscure the fact that it was cut content, and when they got exposed they punished players by removing the command console.
Explain how they tried to obscure that it was cut content or that we even know for a fact that it was cut content to begin with.

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Bioware didn't deceive anyone by releasing their DLC on day one, as everyone already knew in advance.
But but but… everyone also knew about PB's in advance so therefore, according to your own logic, they couldn't have been trying to deceive anyone.
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June 30th, 2018, 04:46
2D painted backgrounds will always look sexier than cheap 3D rendering.

Spoiler – 2D


Spoiler – 3D
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June 30th, 2018, 04:50
Hmm looks like Shadowrun, Tyranny, Numenera, Sword Coast Legends. & PoE 2.

Once again they would not have the budget to make those games.

Though they could of went with 2D painted backgrounds like Age of Decadence.
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June 30th, 2018, 04:54
Why not? Drawing something usually takes less time than rendering it in 3D.
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June 30th, 2018, 04:59
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Why not? Drawing something usually takes less time than rendering it in 3D.
Every game you listed cost millions to make except Age of Decadence & Banner Saga.

Anyway who knows unless we can get a budget chart it's all guess work.
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