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January 13th, 2020, 17:40
Was not suggesting a time limit in playing - min was minimum (as in minimum number of games). Of course that would have to be an honor system.

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Perhaps, but there is no sure way to validate the amount of hours that someone claims to have played a game and it would probably be too much work to do so anyway.
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January 13th, 2020, 18:23
Originally Posted by Stingray View Post
How is Colony Ship missing from the list entirely? 2020 is still the official release date I believe. And it's gotten a hell of a lot of discussion here. It should be in the final list.
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Also King's Bounty II is officially slated for a 2020 release, but not filled in on the DB
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…. I thought about mentioning that too (Ed: Black Geyser), but couldn't find any place where the devs have ever officially said it'll be released in 2020. Only saw talk of an alpha/beta/whatever release.

I figured the criteria here was probably that it needs an officially stated 2020 release date to qualify. Because if not, there's a lot of other games to consider, like Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous, Diablo 4, Encased, Copper Dreams, and Knights of the Chalice 2. Maybe even Starfield or ELEX 2. I don't believe any of them have been officially ruled out for 2020?
The dates we have for games being released in 2020 sometimes appear to be coming from a drunken leprechaun, throwing darts at a multi-year calendar.
For estimated release dates, we either go with official release dates or with 'A high probability of being released in 2020'.
With Black Geyser anything is possible. The development takes so long that it might or might not be released in 2020. I am not sure it qualifies for 'A high probability', but I am ready to be convinced otherwise.
ELEX 2 hasn't even been properly announced, so a release date in 2020 is just a guess. In my opinion that should not qualify.
KotC2 goes to Kickstarter next month and it should be released this year, so I added a release date for it.
I don't know about the rest to be honest, so if the 'feeling' is that there is a high likelihood of the game being released this year, let me know.

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Xenonauts 2 has listed a release date of March 14 2020 on their GOG page:
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Mount & Bland 2: Bannerlord. Errr, probably. It's releasing to early access soon. Does that count?
No, it doesn't. Games can stay quite a long time in early access. Same as above, if there is a high likelihood of it being released in 2020, let me know.

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The table centralizes bits of information.
A product like Urthuk, that should meet the expectations, is ignored.
I don't know about Urthuk, but Urtuk i in the table (it's on place 34 of the short list, so did not make it to the top 30 of that short list).
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January 13th, 2020, 18:28
Using the same selection criteria, the following is the resulting short list of 30 games:


Alaloth: Champions of the Four Kingdoms
Biomutant
Colony Ship - A Post-Earth Role Playing Game
Cyberpunk 2077
Eitr
Fallen Dungeons
Gamedec
King's Bounty II
Knights of the Chalice II
Langrisser I & II
Monomyth
Praey for the Gods
Realms Beyond
Stoneshard
System Shock (Remake)
Tainted Grail: The Fall of Avalon
Tears of Avia
The Black Masses
The Dark Eye: Book of Heroes
The Protagonist: EX-1
The Six Dragons
The Waylanders
Vagrus: The Riven Realms
Vampire - The Masquerade: Bloodlines 2
Vaporum: Lockdown
Wasteland 3
Wellspring: Altar of Roots
Wizardry: Labyrinth of Lost Souls
Wolcen: Lords of Mayhem
Xenonauts 2
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January 13th, 2020, 18:45
Originally Posted by Morrandir View Post
I don't know if it's better, but you could use some derivation of the h-index which is used for scientific publications.

So a game would have an h-index of h, if it has h topics with at least h comments.
Not sure how that works. If I sort the table by comments only, which are the citations according to the example, then the papers should be the games, I think.
If so then the h index is 26. So the first 26 games (sorted by comments) make it to the list.

Doing it on ratio makes no sense as the h-index is 7. We only have 7 games.


In short, I wouldn't know how to apply that properly for this list
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January 13th, 2020, 19:48
Originally Posted by Myrthos View Post
KotC2 goes to Kickstarter next month and it should be released this year, so I added a release date for it.
I wouldn't be so sure of that, he's been saying it'll be on Kickstarter "any month now" for at least a year. But yeah, probably reasonable to think it might show up in 2020, especially given he said the game was completed on January 27…of last year.
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Talk about a project that I'll be kicking in on the very first day, Knights of the Chalice two cannot come soon enough!
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January 14th, 2020, 09:25
Originally Posted by Myrthos View Post
Not sure how that works. If I sort the table by comments only, which are the citations according to the example, then the papers should be the games, I think.
If so then the h index is 26. So the first 26 games (sorted by comments) make it to the list.

Doing it on ratio makes no sense as the h-index is 7. We only have 7 games.


In short, I wouldn't know how to apply that properly for this list
Sorry for being unclear. My idea was to calculate the h-index for each game and then sort the games by h-index (higher index = more important).

Unfortunately you need more data than this table. For each game you need a list of the number of postings for each topic.
So for example the game has 10 topics with the following number of postings (sorted for clarity):
  1. 100
  2. 95
  3. 50
  4. 40
  5. 25
  6. 20
  7. 15
  8. 10
  9. 5
  10. 1

So the h-index of the game would be 8 because there are 8 topics with at least 8 postings.
(For an h-index of 9 it should be 9 topics with at least 9 postings. But the topic with the 9th most postings has only 5 postings.)
Hope it's clear now. If not I could write down the mini-algorithm in pseudocode.
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January 14th, 2020, 12:14
Ok, using the h-index, the sorted long list of games is:
TitleGenreNews PostsCommentsRatioh-index
Cyberpunk 2077RPG107311128.828
Realms BeyondRPG30106634.416
Wasteland 3Tactical RPG4462814.014
System Shock (Remake)Shooter-RPG593976.612
Colony Ship - A Post-Earth Role Playing GameRPG463256.910
Xenonauts 2Tactical RPG2025412.110
Knights of the Chalice IIRPG1326218.79
Vampire - The Masquerade: Bloodlines 2Action-RPG242479.98
Wolcen: Lords of MayhemHack & Slash903293.68
The WaylandersRPG301645.37
BiomutantAction-RPG17744.16
Alaloth: Champions of the Four KingdomsAction-RPG58313.85
Vagrus: The Riven RealmsStrategy-RPG23682.85
Wellspring: Altar of RootsRPG11957.95
Death TrashRPG10333.04
EitrAction-RPG9494.94
HellpointAction-RPG9373.74
The Dark Crystal: Age of ResistanceStrategy-RPG7202.54
Wizardry: Labyrinth of Lost SoulsDungeon Crawler48717.44
Dark EnvoyTactical RPG6202.93
GamedecRPG46212.43
King's Bounty IIStrategy-RPG34912.23
Langrisser I & IIJ-RPG3266.53
Praey for the GodsAction-RPG9525.23
The Black MassesAction-RPG5244.03
The Dark Eye: Book of HeroesTactical RPG36015.03
The Iron OathTactical RPG13312.23
The Six DragonsAction-RPG3205.03
Divinia Chronicles: Relics of Gan-TiAction-RPG7101.22
Empire of SinStrategy-RPG4132.62
GriftlandsCard-Based RPG3143.52
Isles of AdalarAction-RPG3123.02
Jupiter HellRoguelike9161.62
Neon DistrictRPG2103.32
StoneshardRPG3266.52
Tainted Grail: The Fall of AvalonRPG2299.72
Tears of AviaTactical RPG4224.42
The FalconeerAction-RPG392.22
Urtuk: The DesolationTactical RPG3143.52
Vaporum: LockdownDungeon Crawler2134.32
Curious Expedition 2Roguelike131.51
DolmenAction-RPG210.31
EastwardAdventure-RPG131.51
Fallen DungeonsDungeon Crawler1157.51
GedoniaRPG241.31
Grand GuildsTactical RPG131.51
Immortal Realms: Vampire WarsStrategy-RPG110.51
Last EpochAction-RPG220.71
Legend of KeepersRoguelike210.31
Luckless SevenCard-Based RPG210.31
MonomythAction-RPG2165.31
Nehrim: At Fate's EdgeRPG163.01
Space WreckRPG173.51
The Alliance Alive HD RemasterJ-RPG152.51
The Protagonist: EX-1RPG194.51
The Way of WrathStrategy-RPG184.01
TRIALS of MANAJ-RPG142.01
UnDungeonAction-RPG142.01
WarlanderAction-RPG262.01
YagaAction-RPG471.41
Celestian Tales: Realms BeyondRPG100.00
HavenAdventure-RPG100.00
Koruldia HeritageJ-RPG100.00
OthercideStrategy-RPG100.00
Tales of AriseAction-RPG100.00
The Forgotten CityAdventure-RPG200.00
Wigmund. The Return of the Hidden KnightsAction-RPG000.00

The short list would end at The Six Dragons, which is 28 games
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January 14th, 2020, 22:09
Sacred Fire is supposed to release by the end of this year. According to Kickstarter comments by Poetic from a few months ago "we will have the beta (story and art complete version of the game) at the end of June 2020 and release Sacred Fire till the end of the year 2020 on Steam, GoG, and itch.io."

Copper Dreams (according to the Nov 2019 KS update) is on track for a 2020 release. However, the beta was supposed to release before the end of last year & as it has been delayed perhaps that makes the 2020 release less likely.

Those are probably my #2 and #3 most anticipated.
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January 17th, 2020, 14:19
An updated list that will be used for the GOTY next week:


Alaloth: Champions of the Four Kingdoms
Biomutant
Colony Ship - A Post-Earth Role Playing Game
Copper Dreams
Cyberpunk 2077
Dark Envoy
Death Trash
Eitr
Gamedec
Hellpoint
King's Bounty II
Knights of the Chalice II
Praey for the Gods
Realms Beyond
Sacred Fire
System Shock (Remake)
Tainted Grail: The Fall of Avalon
Tears of Avia
The Black Masses
The Dark Crystal: Age of Resistance
The Dark Eye: Book of Heroes
The Iron Oath
The Six Dragons
The Waylanders
Urtuk: The Desolation
Vagrus: The Riven Realms
Vampire - The Masquerade: Bloodlines 2
Wasteland 3
Wellspring: Altar of Roots
Wolcen: Lords of Mayhem
Xenonauts 2


I'm still open for suggestions until Sunday evening.
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January 18th, 2020, 04:56
A few more likely 2020 RPGs for consideration:

Zoria: Age of Shattering coming 2020 according to dev website.

Sentinels of Freedom- releasing Feb. 2020
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January 18th, 2020, 11:29
I think that looks pretty good. I'm not familiar with all of the games but of the ones I am the only one I would remove is Xenonauts 2. Not an RPG in any definition of the word in my opinion. (One of my most anticipated GAMES though.)
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