Prime Junta said:
Look, if it can be done fine, I just don't see, however if I had to give my opinion I would say those in your list to accomplish a good playable evil would be much better suited to the Strategy genre.
By that definition, evil would be as good as non-existent
Not really as I mentioned true evil is committed as a known or intent of if your in a religious cult, gas chamber guard or 50.9% of the population here in the US with your leaders in control of almost all the information you receive and if you listen to anything which they don't support you are the enemy, you as the controlled are acting not of freewill. Same as a solider in the battlefield, he is cut off from most all forms of communication, except his orders now due to human instint he may question an order of destroying a village, yet if he is told (and knows no better att) if he unit doesn't act immediately the war is lost (or some such) he isn't committing an actual evil act if it's not known. Same as the US citizens whom believed Iraq had something to do with 911, when every bit of real evidence pointed against this, doesn't make the actual citizens wrong any more than the German citizens during WW2, it was the leaders committing the actual acts, by Ordering Known Evil Acts. It's easy sit back and second guess things when you don't have all the circumstances and say that was an evil act in and of itself but is it an evil act to judge these situations without first knowing the circumstances, just to find a scapegoat or to drive bloodlust and enrage your citizens? Seems so, for the most part.
I don't want more evil. I want better evil.
Well I think I do understand what your saying and asking for, yet I am disagreeing it can be done, in the RPG format, well to be more accuarte nothing I have seen yet nor do I see how it's possible, atm. As I mentioned above, I do see it possible as a sort of Strategy game.
Thaurin said:
Your and most of society's perspective of it is that they are vile, wrong and evil. However, there is no universal truth that they are inherently evil.
Well you got me there, I am pretty shocked you seem to deny human nature and have no regard for Humanity, since that's not possibly something known to be inherent I can only guess you learned this somewhere school, parents, government or maybe religion, to bad really.
However, a long time ago (and not so long ago) it was perfectly acceptable to keep slaves and was even regulated by law.
Your joking I hope, if not you seriously need something, since I don't know you I couldn't say but you really need to talk to more people.
If you want to test yourself on this, just to make sure your right, ask yourself this question what are you basing this on?
Are you next going to say it's ok to burn women at the stake, if they refuse your selfish sexual advances and say it's ok in some religions?
I really hope you reconsider your position.
Oblivion actually is an RPG. This is exactly the elitism ...........check? Dialogue? check.
Lol, if you say so, of course you would be wrong.
Either that or you have a very low expectation of an RPG or maybe your using some new PR bullshit definition?
RPG almost by definition (RP or P&P) is having an effect on the world, without choices you playing an Action game, even if (like most oblivion quest) you have quests it just standard quest that could be from Doom go get the Green Key to Open the Green door. There is no real consequence and certainly no meaningful dialog, hell the damn voice actors change in mid dialog. The only slight real case you might have is the character generation, yet it doesn't matter which you choose they all end up maxed out the same if you put even the slightest effort into it. oblivion is much closer to diablo than an RPG but you might be of the oppinion diablo is an RPG *snicker*.
See that's a big problem with this bullshit campaign m$ is doing now hell they don't give a shit what most of us whom have been playing games 10+ years think, they are trying to program younger games blurring the lines.
If you think about it, mostly an attempt to do the very least possible and still be able to pretend it's an RPG, hell look at your list got stats, dialog (damn I love that one, oh yeah oblivion the king of great dialogs
) sure they it makes them an RPG.
sometimes I just want to play an RPG where I don't affect the world/story or have "deep" gameplay.
Lol, right you want to play an action game, called an RPG.
Damn this topic grew two pages in a couple of hours.
